Hi Mike, since I literally dragged you to this board, there are some things you will learn about this group. First, there is a lot of embedded (and IMHO, irrational) bias about the HRD Sat program that, as happens in human nature, just goes back to the urban legend status. Some folks are entrenched and there is no hope of changing that bias. There are new users that will take you at your word that you are working on the program and will be patient. Another category are folks that tried the program 6-7 years ago and have made the call that 'it just does not 'work'"...they can't tell you why or provide much useful input, "it just don't work because someone told me that 3 years ago". Another related category are the folks Rick pissed off. (enough said about the departed)
So you challenge will be to find that new developer and as far as this resource, elicit some useful input from folks that are willing to use the program and provide some objective information to correct the issues.
With that said, my view is that the issue primarily applies to the use of linear sats. I believe the program tracks the LEOS and the doppler correction makes the program useful. Whether or not it is spot on, is over my paygrade. I just know that I got my VUCC using HRD about 95% of the time and on LEO sats. As I have said before, run the HRD sat program side by side. The glaring diff I have seen is in altitude, not el or az. But, again above my no-code paygrade.
So, bottom line with this Group...be patient. Most of them have forgotten your post of a couple of days ago outlining your commitment to resolve the software issues. I believe in your commitment. Some will complain if they were hung with a new rope...
So, hang in there and keep asking specifics from the Group. I'm confident you can get it handled.
73, Ted K7TRK
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Carper, Ph.D. via AMSAT-BB Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 6:12 PM To: Frank Cc: Suryono Adisoemarta via AMSAT-BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tracking errors with HRD Sat tracking
Hmmm... is everyone else just on an old version or something?
Mike, WA9PIE
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Frank k6fw1@verizon.net wrote:
That is correct.
Frank, K6FW
On 2/5/18 12:34 PM, Michael Carper, Ph.D. wrote:
You're on the 787 release then?
Mike, WA9PIE
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Frank k6fw1@verizon.net wrote:
I run HRD Sat, SatPC32 and MacDoppler on my computer and all the AOS times match. I am running the latest release from September 2017 of HRD Sat.
Frank K6FW
On 2/5/18 9:16 AM, Michael Carper, Ph.D. via AMSAT-BB wrote:
As someone said previously, it's probably a math problem that got buggered up somewhere along the way.
We will get this fixed.
Mike, WA9PIE
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Francis Geraci fgeraci14@gmail.com wrote:
I have noticed mention about issues with HRD Sat tracking. No "specific"
problems were mentioned I have used HRD for may years, and know it pretty well. After the last few "updates", an upcoming sat pass in HRD, the pass over my QTH, is about 5 - 10 minutes later. I, also run SatPC32 at the same time, along with pass predictions from other Web sites. All of the predictions agree, except for HRD, reporting the pass later. I have missed many passes using HRD. When I switched to SatPC32, I started hearing passes. My "keps" are current, QTH is correct, time is correct, and all the "personal" information is correct in the HRD Logbook. I am "totally" stumped. Best toAll WB1FXX _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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Hi Ted,
As you wanted to poke at the group, please don't be condescending, none of us have forgotten anything just pointed out the issues we experienced and many with paid copies still experience.
Its great that you have used HRD to gain VUCC, when I first got started I used HRD with the FM satellites but found that when I started using it with my full automated station there were problems mostly related to doppler correction and being able to adjust the offsets on the fly as previously stated.. These aren't urban legends.
In fact, I'm happy to grab the latest trial copy and try it with my station and see if it's been fixed.
Yes the situation with Rick did annoy a lot, I voiced my concerns publically with Mike via Twitter, while it will always linger in the back of my mind after all it was a heck of a fiasco, I do hope HRD & Team fix the issues surrounding
All software has issues SatPC32 isn't perfect, we'd all like things to be spot on, but when the same issues pop up on newsgroups, facebook groups and twitter there shows an underline problem.
Kind Regards,
Peter, 2M0SQL.
On 7 February 2018 at 04:04, Ted Krempa k7trkradio@charter.net wrote:
Hi Mike, since I literally dragged you to this board, there are some things you will learn about this group. First, there is a lot of embedded (and IMHO, irrational) bias about the HRD Sat program that, as happens in human nature, just goes back to the urban legend status. Some folks are entrenched and there is no hope of changing that bias. There are new users that will take you at your word that you are working on the program and will be patient. Another category are folks that tried the program 6-7 years ago and have made the call that 'it just does not 'work'"...they can't tell you why or provide much useful input, "it just don't work because someone told me that 3 years ago". Another related category are the folks Rick pissed off. (enough said about the departed)
So you challenge will be to find that new developer and as far as this resource, elicit some useful input from folks that are willing to use the program and provide some objective information to correct the issues.
With that said, my view is that the issue primarily applies to the use of linear sats. I believe the program tracks the LEOS and the doppler correction makes the program useful. Whether or not it is spot on, is over my paygrade. I just know that I got my VUCC using HRD about 95% of the time and on LEO sats. As I have said before, run the HRD sat program side by side. The glaring diff I have seen is in altitude, not el or az. But, again above my no-code paygrade.
So, bottom line with this Group...be patient. Most of them have forgotten your post of a couple of days ago outlining your commitment to resolve the software issues. I believe in your commitment. Some will complain if they were hung with a new rope...
So, hang in there and keep asking specifics from the Group. I'm confident you can get it handled.
73, Ted K7TRK
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Carper, Ph.D. via AMSAT-BB Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 6:12 PM To: Frank Cc: Suryono Adisoemarta via AMSAT-BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tracking errors with HRD Sat tracking
Hmmm... is everyone else just on an old version or something?
Mike, WA9PIE
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Frank k6fw1@verizon.net wrote:
That is correct.
Frank, K6FW
On 2/5/18 12:34 PM, Michael Carper, Ph.D. wrote:
You're on the 787 release then?
Mike, WA9PIE
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Frank k6fw1@verizon.net wrote:
I run HRD Sat, SatPC32 and MacDoppler on my computer and all the AOS times match. I am running the latest release from September 2017 of HRD Sat.
Frank K6FW
On 2/5/18 9:16 AM, Michael Carper, Ph.D. via AMSAT-BB wrote:
As someone said previously, it's probably a math problem that got buggered up somewhere along the way.
We will get this fixed.
Mike, WA9PIE
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Francis Geraci fgeraci14@gmail.com wrote:
I have noticed mention about issues with HRD Sat tracking. No "specific"
problems were mentioned I have used HRD for may years, and know it pretty well. After the last few "updates", an upcoming sat pass in HRD, the pass over my QTH, is about 5 - 10 minutes later. I, also run SatPC32 at the same time, along with pass predictions from other Web sites. All of the predictions agree, except for HRD, reporting the pass later. I have missed many passes using HRD. When I switched to SatPC32, I started hearing passes. My "keps" are current, QTH is correct, time is correct, and all the "personal" information is correct in the HRD Logbook. I am "totally" stumped. Best toAll WB1FXX _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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