BTW, What always attracted me to sat operation in the first place was not how "simple" it was but how "complex" it was. I originally took it on because of the challenge involved. A lot of people become bored with things when they become too easy. I think we sometimes do ourselves a disservice with the HT and handheld antenna demos showing everyone how "easy" it is. For example, I had someday hoped to try EME but even that is losing some of it's appeal to me now because it's not as hard as it used to be. Again, just my humble opinion.... 73, Michael, W4HIJ