Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
Michael, I had the same issue using FoxTelem with Funcube directly. Instead I have HDSDR RF recording from Funcube and feed the recordings to FoxTelem afterwards.
Carlos (AD7NP) Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Mvivona via AMSAT-BB Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:58 PM To: Dino Papas Cc: AMSAT-BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward.
Michael Vivona Sent from my iPad
On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas kl0s@cox.net wrote:
As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I’d love to work use the app but don’t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version. I know it’s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn’t so but w/o some kind of workaround I’m reluctant to mess with it.
Dino KL0S
On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ kd7yz@denstarfarm.us wrote:
I've reported this to the wily programmers.
However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring program crash ... complaining about Java ??
(Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let SatPC32 track.
I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the crash and the program needs re-start.
I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
-- 73, Bob KD7YZ www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz AmSat LM#901
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So, it sounds like a true hands off ground station using FoxTelem is not a reality at this point? It would be great if it performed like the Funcube Dashboard program. If I leave the FoxTelem program in Track Doppler mode, then the cursor wanders way off frequency and finds some rf noise and locks itself there. When AO85 comes up the cursor never tracks back. Maybe a limit window like Funcube dashboard has might help?
Also, the signal from AO85 only makes a tiny bump on the visual spectrum scope. The signal I get from AO73 is a huge spike on the spectrum. Maybe being single sideband helps AO73 reception?
Michael - KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad
On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Carlos Picoto cpicoto@hotmail.com wrote:
Michael, I had the same issue using FoxTelem with Funcube directly. Instead I have HDSDR RF recording from Funcube and feed the recordings to FoxTelem afterwards.
Carlos (AD7NP) Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Mvivona via AMSAT-BB Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:58 PM To: Dino Papas Cc: AMSAT-BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward.
Michael Vivona Sent from my iPad
On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas kl0s@cox.net wrote:
As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I’d love to work use the app but don’t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version. I know it’s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn’t so but w/o some kind of workaround I’m reluctant to mess with it.
Dino KL0S
On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ kd7yz@denstarfarm.us wrote:
I've reported this to the wily programmers.
However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring program crash ... complaining about Java ??
(Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let SatPC32 track.
I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the crash and the program needs re-start.
I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
-- 73, Bob KD7YZ www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz AmSat LM#901
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Michael,
I've had the same experience of FoxTelem not getting much of a signal at all from the FCD. I'll not hear anything or see any signal and then switch to HDSDR and hear a booming signal. Yet, I know that it is working for some. I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
It must be some setting, somewhere...
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
So, it sounds like a true hands off ground station using FoxTelem is not a reality at this point? It would be great if it performed like the Funcube Dashboard program. If I leave the FoxTelem program in Track Doppler mode, then the cursor wanders way off frequency and finds some rf noise and locks itself there. When AO85 comes up the cursor never tracks back. Maybe a limit window like Funcube dashboard has might help?
Also, the signal from AO85 only makes a tiny bump on the visual spectrum scope. The signal I get from AO73 is a huge spike on the spectrum. Maybe being single sideband helps AO73 reception?
Michael - KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad
On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Carlos Picoto cpicoto@hotmail.com wrote:
Michael, I had the same issue using FoxTelem with Funcube directly. Instead I have HDSDR RF recording from Funcube and feed the recordings to FoxTelem afterwards.
Carlos (AD7NP) Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Mvivona via AMSAT-BB Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:58 PM To: Dino Papas Cc: AMSAT-BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward.
Michael Vivona Sent from my iPad
On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas kl0s@cox.net wrote:
As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I’d love to work use the app but don’t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version. I know it’s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn’t so but w/o some kind of workaround I’m reluctant to mess with it.
Dino KL0S
On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ kd7yz@denstarfarm.us wrote:
I've reported this to the wily programmers.
However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring program crash ... complaining about Java ??
(Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let SatPC32 track.
I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the crash and the program needs re-start.
I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
-- 73, Bob KD7YZ www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz AmSat LM#901
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On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote: . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors" are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
(B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM, the data is uploaded.
So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
A work in progress, one thing for consideration is that Chris also has to work with me to provide versions that do Fox-1Cliff/D for our testing of those as well as providing us the way to reliably get data to and mine data from the server as we check out AO-85, so his time is divided. The plus to that is that we are expecting releases before 1Cliff/D that will provide automatic slow/high speed data switching and better performance as you all provide feedback to help him learn what needs tweaking. Testing FoxTelem on the ground with a satellite 3 feet away or using a recording isn't the real deal of course, so just like with the performance of Fox-1A AO-85 on orbit there are things to be learned about real world performance of FoxTelem.
Remember - it's a hobby. :-)
Thank you for your support.
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 11/4/2015 14:55, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote: . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors" are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
(B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM, the data is uploaded.
So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
And you all are doing a fabulous job. The only thing I remind my peers of is that people spend their own money and their valuable free time tapping their toes gleefully anticipating success and participation. I've been amongst the , now reformed, guilty. I don't do the answers as I'm too busy, but I support the need. We need more volunteers who want to support the engineers in this but must be trusted to help and not hinder.
Having done this stuff for years, let me admonish users to remember that if you have a critique or question something, please approach it as if the engineer has already considered it and dealt with it and you'll find a willing conversationalist. We're all proud of our work and, no, we don't always get it right. But you can generally assume we've tried really hard to. Don't come into our house and toss the furniture about. You won't find us willing hosts to have you at our table.
Respectfully and 73s, Bob N4HY
On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
A work in progress, one thing for consideration is that Chris also has to work with me to provide versions that do Fox-1Cliff/D for our testing of those as well as providing us the way to reliably get data to and mine data from the server as we check out AO-85, so his time is divided. The plus to that is that we are expecting releases before 1Cliff/D that will provide automatic slow/high speed data switching and better performance as you all provide feedback to help him learn what needs tweaking. Testing FoxTelem on the ground with a satellite 3 feet away or using a recording isn't the real deal of course, so just like with the performance of Fox-1A AO-85 on orbit there are things to be learned about real world performance of FoxTelem.
Remember - it's a hobby. :-)
Thank you for your support.
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 11/4/2015 14:55, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote: . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors" are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
(B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM, the data is uploaded.
So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
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