Today and quite a bit lately it seems So50 is becoming out of control. A few thing to consider when working So50 and the other birds.
1. Don't transmit if can't hear. Really so50 should sound like your local repeater its its not then you need a better rx antenna or maybe a preamp.
2. If you hear someone talking let them finish the qso before you call someone. Also if someone calls somebody don't call the same person before they even have the chance to answer the first guy.
3. Don't call people blindly if your interupting a qso. And don't continue to call the same person over and over if they aren't responding. Let people that are actually hearing the satellite make contacts.
4. Do work full duplex. If you can't hear when your transmitting you're likely cuasing interference.
5. Do enjoy so50 as it is the only fm satellite right now.
73 Wyatt AC0RA
Well said Wyatt. SO-50 sounds more like the Wild West the last few months. Unfortunately, the people that need to read this probably do not subscribe to the list.
I do not consider myself a "perfect operator" but I try to be.
ARRL should address this matter in QST. I seem to remember someone suggested this to them and where ignored.
Ham radio's motto was always listen before you transmit. It sounds like many people missed it. I hear your #2 every time I'm on that bird.
Thank you Wyatt.
Rick -WB3CSY Sent from Rick's iPad2
On Sep 1, 2013, at 7:09 PM, wyattdirks wyattdirks@msn.com wrote:
Today and quite a bit lately it seems So50 is becoming out of control. A few thing to consider when working So50 and the other birds.
Don't transmit if can't hear. Really so50 should sound like your local repeater its its not then you need a better rx antenna or maybe a preamp.
If you hear someone talking let them finish the qso before you call someone. Also if someone calls somebody don't call the same person before they even have the chance to answer the first guy.
Don't call people blindly if your interupting a qso. And don't continue to call the same person over and over if they aren't responding. Let people that are actually hearing the satellite make contacts.
Do work full duplex. If you can't hear when your transmitting you're likely cuasing interference.
Do enjoy so50 as it is the only fm satellite right now.
73 Wyatt AC0RA _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Not really active right now so I haven't heard what's going on with SO-50 but I can well imagine. I would guess the main problem is what it most often always is on the FM birds. A lot of hams like to try and "sell" sat ops by telling folks that all they need is a dual band handheld and an Arrow antenna. The problem is that there are very few if any full duplex capable dual band handhelds available right now and less and less full duplex mobile rigs. If you don't have the capability to be able to hear your own signal, you have no business even being on a sat, much less an FM one. Full duplex capability is the only proper way to operate satellites, especially an FM one, and how we ever got away from that line of thinking is a mystery to me. Gosh knows, handheld radios are really cheap these days, we may not be able to buy full duplex ones but it's not that big a deal to buy two. Just my 2 cents. Michael, W4HIJ
On 9/1/2013 7:58 PM, Rick Walter wrote:
Well said Wyatt. SO-50 sounds more like the Wild West the last few months. Unfortunately, the people that need to read this probably do not subscribe to the list.
I do not consider myself a "perfect operator" but I try to be.
ARRL should address this matter in QST. I seem to remember someone suggested this to them and where ignored.
Ham radio's motto was always listen before you transmit. It sounds like many people missed it. I hear your #2 every time I'm on that bird.
Thank you Wyatt.
Rick -WB3CSY Sent from Rick's iPad2
On Sep 1, 2013, at 7:09 PM, wyattdirks wyattdirks@msn.com wrote:
Today and quite a bit lately it seems So50 is becoming out of control. A few thing to consider when working So50 and the other birds.
Don't transmit if can't hear. Really so50 should sound like your local repeater its its not then you need a better rx antenna or maybe a preamp.
If you hear someone talking let them finish the qso before you call someone. Also if someone calls somebody don't call the same person before they even have the chance to answer the first guy.
Don't call people blindly if your interupting a qso. And don't continue to call the same person over and over if they aren't responding. Let people that are actually hearing the satellite make contacts.
Do work full duplex. If you can't hear when your transmitting you're likely cuasing interference.
Do enjoy so50 as it is the only fm satellite right now.
73 Wyatt AC0RA
My daughter, who is a new ham has just given up on trying SO-50. 5 times now she has set up the station to work someone and the moment she unkeys, there is someone calling and not listening. We here, have a TS-2000 with az-el setup and 2 yagis with auto tracking. I totally agree with the comments here on this subject of wild west operations on SO-50. It is out of control. Here on the wet coast there is a WA6 ( wont say his call here ) every day that is constantly either ruining qso's or using way too much power and wiping out transponders completely. And if you call this LID, he either cannot hear you or ignores you and continues his ignorant disregard for other users so HE can get HIS contacts and to heck with anyone else. A constant and rather rude transponder HOG that is on almost every pass of every voice satellite. So as of today, we (my daughter and I) will go back to weak signal work and drop off satellite use until these LIDS either disappear or something. Our 2 cents worth. Everyone have a great day wherever you might be. 73.<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Hi John...the LIDS will never disappear..there are many more waiting in the wings...the best we can do is to "politely" educate the alleged offenders, usually via email. 73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message ----- From: "John - VE7JZ" ve7jz@yahoo.com To: "Mat 62" Mat_62@charter.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 8:19:59 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So50
My daughter, who is a new ham has just given up on trying SO-50. 5 times now she has set up the station to work someone and the moment she unkeys, there is someone calling and not listening. We here, have a TS-2000 with az-el setup and 2 yagis with auto tracking. I totally agree with the comments here on this subject of wild west operations on SO-50. It is out of control. Here on the wet coast there is a WA6 ( wont say his call here ) every day that is constantly either ruining qso's or using way too much power and wiping out transponders completely. And if you call this LID, he either cannot hear you or ignores you and continues his ignorant disregard for other users so HE can get HIS contacts and to heck with anyone else. A constant and rather rude transponder HOG that is on almost every pass of every voice satellite. So as of today, we (my daughter and I) will go back to weak signal work and drop off satellite use until these LIDS either disappear or something. Our 2 cents worth. Everyone have a great day wherever you might be. 73.<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
We hear the same thing on the east coast. The same guys believe it is a net for them pass after pass.
Greg N3MVF
On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net wrote:
Hi John...the LIDS will never disappear..there are many more waiting in the wings...the best we can do is to "politely" educate the alleged offenders, usually via email. 73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message ----- From: "John - VE7JZ" ve7jz@yahoo.com To: "Mat 62" Mat_62@charter.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 8:19:59 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So50
My daughter, who is a new ham has just given up on trying SO-50. 5 times now she has set up the station to work someone and the moment she unkeys, there is someone calling and not listening. We here, have a TS-2000 with az-el setup and 2 yagis with auto tracking. I totally agree with the comments here on this subject of wild west operations on SO-50. It is out of control. Here on the wet coast there is a WA6 ( wont say his call here ) every day that is constantly either ruining qso's or using way too much power and wiping out transponders completely. And if you call this LID, he either cannot hear you or ignores you and continues his ignorant disregard for other users so HE can get HIS contacts and to heck with anyone else. A constant and rather rude transponder HOG that is on almost every pass of every voice satellite. So as of today, we (my daughter and I) will go back to weak signal work and drop off satellite use until these LIDS either disappear or something. Our 2 cents worth. Everyone have a great day wherever you might be. 73.<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Wyatt,
All good points! I just hope I was not one that was causing QRM on SO50.
I just recently have my IC910H working with both rotor control and CAT for the radio for Doppler control. I have noticed that at times the uplink freq can be off. I am working on getting it tweaked in.
I have the LVB controller and Yeasu G5500 Rotator and I am finally getting it to work for me...Had com port problems....
73, Dale- KL7XJ
On 9/1/2013 3:09 PM, wyattdirks wrote:
Today and quite a bit lately it seems So50 is beco ming out of control. A few thing to consider when working So50 and the other birds.
Don't transmit if can't hear. Really so50 should sound like your local repeater its its not then you need a better rx antenna or maybe a preamp.
If you hear someone talking let them finish the qso before you call someone. Also if someone calls somebody don't call the same person before they even have the chance to answer the first guy.
Don't call people blindly if your interupting a qso. And don't continue to call the same person over and over if they aren't responding. Let people that are actually hearing the satellite make contacts.
Do work full duplex. If you can't hear when your transmitting you're likely cuasing interference.
Do enjoy so50 as it is the only fm satellite right now.
73 Wyatt AC0RA _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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I have to agree with Wyatt, SO-50 is getting beat up due to the fact it’s the only FM bird left right now. Follow Wyatt's recommendations and it will be much more enjoyable, especially for the had held folks. I did that for a long time standing in all kinds of weather and conditions, so give them a break when you hear them.
Also is it really necessary to make a contact with the same operator on every pass every day.
Wyatt, Great chatting with you today on 29, will have to do it again soon !
73, Craig W1MSG
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of wyattdirks Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:09 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] So50
Today and quite a bit lately it seems So50 is becoming out of control. A few thing to consider when working So50 and the other birds.
1. Don't transmit if can't hear. Really so50 should sound like your local repeater its its not then you need a better rx antenna or maybe a preamp.
2. If you hear someone talking let them finish the qso before you call someone. Also if someone calls somebody don't call the same person before they even have the chance to answer the first guy.
3. Don't call people blindly if your interupting a qso. And don't continue to call the same person over and over if they aren't responding. Let people that are actually hearing the satellite make contacts.
4. Do work full duplex. If you can't hear when your transmitting you're likely cuasing interference.
5. Do enjoy so50 as it is the only fm satellite right now.
73 Wyatt AC0RA _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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