Like others I have been getting notifications of bounces of BB>me and lately I noticed a post did not make it in, so today I get this
Your membership in the mailing list AMSAT-BB has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 27-May-2014.You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted.
Really? this is the best way to handle a bounce? My ISP points the finger at the BB the BB points it at my ISP. I belong to 4 other groups that send a email direct on each post with no bounces either way only Amsat-BB seems to have a issue.
So I dunno I guess this may be goodbye guys its been fun... (it this makes it in)
73 Kevin WA6FWF
I got the same thing as well, and also something from the EME reflector as well. <br/><br/>73, Jeff WB2SYK<a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a>
Hi Kevin,
There was a discussion of this earlier. It's a combination of the SENDERs ISP and the mailman software used for this list. The problem is well known and is bothering people across the country. (The same thing happened with the mailing lists at my church, for example). The quick description is that aol, yahoo, and a few others started setting a bit in their mail saying "receivers of this mail should check that they really came from aol (or yahoo)." Well, it turns out that when you send to a mailing list, the list resends it to recipients. In other words, your own ISP (who is completely innocent) is seeing that the mail does NOT come from aol or yahoo and bounces it. (Some mail recipients likr gmail find the mail going into their Spam folders instead).
So now the mailman software sees the bounce and has to decide what to do. Usually bounces are caused by full mailboxes or by someone changing their address. In either case, it is reasonable after a time to remove that address from the list, and that is how mailman is normally set up. This kind of bounce used to be uncommon (or unknown). Some other mailing list programs have similar issues; mailbox happens to be the most common troubled list program.
Mailman maintainers are developing fixes. AMSAT's IT master knows of the issue and something will happen when appropriate updates are available. In the meantime, the best way around this is to switch your mail to digest form for the moment. You should also be able to re-enable your account. Check around and see if you have a password, or you can delete and re-create your address as well.
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:41 PM, WA6FWF wa6fwf@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Like others I have been getting notifications of bounces of BB>me and lately I noticed a post did not make it in, so today I get this
Your membership in the mailing list AMSAT-BB has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 27-May-2014.You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted.
Really? this is the best way to handle a bounce? My ISP points the finger at the BB the BB points it at my ISP. I belong to 4 other groups that send a email direct on each post with no bounces either way only Amsat-BB seems to have a issue.
So I dunno I guess this may be goodbye guys its been fun... (it this makes it in)
73 Kevin WA6FWF
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Hi Burns, I understand the whys, and that mailman could munge the from, or maybe workout a exception with yahoo, maybe maybe not, my frustration is more we are in the middle so sending me all these bounce notices or dropping me accomplishes nothing.
And as you yourself have commented the digest might be a answer but one has to be careful or you end up sending the entire digest as a quote...
It just seems for the time being bounces could go to "/dev/null" the " bit bucket" or "ignored" until a fix is found rather than suspending accounts.
73 Kevin WA6FWF
On 5/27/2014 12:02 PM, Burns Fisher wrote:
Hi Kevin,
There was a discussion of this earlier. It's a combination of the SENDERs ISP and the mailman software used for this list. The problem is well known and is bothering people across the country. (The same thing happened with the mailing lists at my church, for example). The quick description is that aol, yahoo, and a few others started setting a bit in their mail saying "receivers of this mail should check that they really came from aol (or yahoo)." Well, it turns out that when you send to a mailing list, the list resends it to recipients. In other words, your own ISP (who is completely innocent) is seeing that the mail does NOT come from aol or yahoo and bounces it. (Some mail recipients likr gmail find the mail going into their Spam folders instead).
So now the mailman software sees the bounce and has to decide what to do. Usually bounces are caused by full mailboxes or by someone changing their address. In either case, it is reasonable after a time to remove that address from the list, and that is how mailman is normally set up. This kind of bounce used to be uncommon (or unknown). Some other mailing list programs have similar issues; mailbox happens to be the most common troubled list program.
Mailman maintainers are developing fixes. AMSAT's IT master knows of the issue and something will happen when appropriate updates are available. In the meantime, the best way around this is to switch your mail to digest form for the moment. You should also be able to re-enable your account. Check around and see if you have a password, or you can delete and re-create your address as well.
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:41 PM, WA6FWF <wa6fwf@sbcglobal.net mailto:wa6fwf@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Like others I have been getting notifications of bounces of BB>me and lately I noticed a post did not make it in, so today I get this Your membership in the mailing list AMSAT-BB has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 27-May-2014.You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. Really? this is the best way to handle a bounce? My ISP points the finger at the BB the BB points it at my ISP. I belong to 4 other groups that send a email direct on each post with no bounces either way only Amsat-BB seems to have a issue. So I dunno I guess this may be goodbye guys its been fun... (it this makes it in) 73 Kevin WA6FWF _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org>. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Ah, ok. I was not sure what you had seen before. I manage a couple mailing lists for my church; there is a limited number of things you can do with mailman...one of them is upping the number of bounces before the bouncer is cut off. That is a small improvement for a small list, but for a huge list where people's addresses are changing every day, it is less good. And in all cases, the person whose ISP is doing the bouncing still does not actually get the mail from the aol and yahoo senders.
There is a new mailman which we are using at my church that sends out the mail as being "from the list on behalf of 'name'". That seems to work pretty well, but I suspect our church IT guy grabbed in in early testing stages and it probably has some drawbacks which we have not seen on a small list.
Just want to be sure you know that the AMSAT "IT department" (which does not include me :-) knows about the issue and is trying to figure out the best course the issue, although I don't know any details. And while it should not make you feel any better, the same problem is hitting AMSAT internal mailing lists.
73, Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:45 PM, WA6FWF wa6fwf@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Burns, I understand the whys, and that mailman could munge the from, or maybe workout a exception with yahoo, maybe maybe not, my frustration is more we are in the middle so sending me all these bounce notices or dropping me accomplishes nothing.
And as you yourself have commented the digest might be a answer but one has to be careful or you end up sending the entire digest as a quote...
It just seems for the time being bounces could go to "/dev/null" the " bit bucket" or "ignored" until a fix is found rather than suspending accounts.
73 Kevin WA6FWF
On 5/27/2014 12:02 PM, Burns Fisher wrote:
Hi Kevin,
There was a discussion of this earlier. It's a combination of the SENDERs ISP and the mailman software used for this list. The problem is well known and is bothering people across the country. (The same thing happened with the mailing lists at my church, for example). The quick description is that aol, yahoo, and a few others started setting a bit in their mail saying "receivers of this mail should check that they really came from aol (or yahoo)." Well, it turns out that when you send to a mailing list, the list resends it to recipients. In other words, your own ISP (who is completely innocent) is seeing that the mail does NOT come from aol or yahoo and bounces it. (Some mail recipients likr gmail find the mail going into their Spam folders instead).
So now the mailman software sees the bounce and has to decide what to do. Usually bounces are caused by full mailboxes or by someone changing their address. In either case, it is reasonable after a time to remove that address from the list, and that is how mailman is normally set up. This kind of bounce used to be uncommon (or unknown). Some other mailing list programs have similar issues; mailbox happens to be the most common troubled list program.
Mailman maintainers are developing fixes. AMSAT's IT master knows of the issue and something will happen when appropriate updates are available. In the meantime, the best way around this is to switch your mail to digest form for the moment. You should also be able to re-enable your account. Check around and see if you have a password, or you can delete and re-create your address as well.
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:41 PM, WA6FWF <wa6fwf@sbcglobal.net mailto: wa6fwf@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Like others I have been getting notifications of bounces of BB>me and lately I noticed a post did not make it in, so today I get this Your membership in the mailing list AMSAT-BB has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 27-May-2014.You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. Really? this is the best way to handle a bounce? My ISP points the finger at the BB the BB points it at my ISP. I belong to 4 other groups that send a email direct on each post with no bounces either way only Amsat-BB seems to have a issue. So I dunno I guess this may be goodbye guys its been fun... (it this makes it in) 73 Kevin WA6FWF _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org>. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Just a guess but was there not something about this some years ago that had something to do with the posting of HTML message to a plain text list or am I thinking of something else. I myself have never had a problem.
John W0JAB
John, it completely depends on what your ISPs (or more specifically your email supplier's) policy is for email that comes marked as "check that my address is correct). As I mentioned before, gmail puts it in spam rather than bouncing it. It's a pain in the neck for sure!
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
Just a guess but was there not something about this some years ago that had something to do with the posting of HTML message to a plain text list or am I thinking of something else. I myself have never had a problem.
John W0JAB
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I just got a similar E-Mail from the automatic responder for the AMSAT BB. Yahoo.com, as well as, I have been told, several other E-Mail clients made certain changes several weeks ago that results in certain, but not all, messages from a reflector bouncing. Frankly, I have been getting E-Mails from the AMSAT reflector every day including today.
I participate in several reflectors and have gotten similar automatic letters about messages bouncing. The person, in charge of the reflector, contacted Yahoo, and the other E-Mail clients, to see what changes had to be made to the reflector so that messages will not bounce.
There are a lot of amateur radio operators, as well as I, who use Yahoo, G-Mail, etc., for reflectors because, like it or not, reflectors seem to be a target of SPAM and the desire to keep such SPAM away from our primary E-Mail addresses. Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:40 PM, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote:
John, it completely depends on what your ISPs (or more specifically your email supplier's) policy is for email that comes marked as "check that my address is correct). As I mentioned before, gmail puts it in spam rather than bouncing it. It's a pain in the neck for sure!
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
Just a guess but was there not something about this some years ago that had something to do with the posting of HTML message to a plain text list or am I thinking of something else. I myself have never had a problem.
John W0JAB
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FYI - With Gmail, you can set up a filter to prevent list messages from being sent to your Spam folder, which solves this problem.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Glen Zook gzook@yahoo.com wrote:
I just got a similar E-Mail from the automatic responder for the AMSAT BB. Yahoo.com, as well as, I have been told, several other E-Mail clients made certain changes several weeks ago that results in certain, but not all, messages from a reflector bouncing. Frankly, I have been getting E-Mails from the AMSAT reflector every day including today.
I participate in several reflectors and have gotten similar automatic letters about messages bouncing. The person, in charge of the reflector, contacted Yahoo, and the other E-Mail clients, to see what changes had to be made to the reflector so that messages will not bounce.
There are a lot of amateur radio operators, as well as I, who use Yahoo, G-Mail, etc., for reflectors because, like it or not, reflectors seem to be a target of SPAM and the desire to keep such SPAM away from our primary E-Mail addresses.
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:40 PM, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote:
John, it completely depends on what your ISPs (or more specifically your email supplier's) policy is for email that comes marked as "check that my address is correct). As I mentioned before, gmail puts it in spam rather than bouncing it. It's a pain in the neck for sure!
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
Just a guess but was there not something about this some years ago that had something to do with the posting of HTML message to a plain text list or am I thinking of something else. I myself have never had a problem.
John W0JAB
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How?
Greg KO6TH
Paul Stoetzer wrote:
FYI - With Gmail, you can set up a filter to prevent list messages from being sent to your Spam folder, which solves this problem.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Glen Zook gzook@yahoo.com wrote:
I just got a similar E-Mail from the automatic responder for the AMSAT BB. Yahoo.com, as well as, I have been told, several other E-Mail clients made certain changes several weeks ago that results in certain, but not all, messages from a reflector bouncing. Frankly, I have been getting E-Mails from the AMSAT reflector every day including today.
I participate in several reflectors and have gotten similar automatic letters about messages bouncing. The person, in charge of the reflector, contacted Yahoo, and the other E-Mail clients, to see what changes had to be made to the reflector so that messages will not bounce.
There are a lot of amateur radio operators, as well as I, who use Yahoo, G-Mail, etc., for reflectors because, like it or not, reflectors seem to be a target of SPAM and the desire to keep such SPAM away from our primary E-Mail addresses.
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:40 PM, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote:
John, it completely depends on what your ISPs (or more specifically your email supplier's) policy is for email that comes marked as "check that my address is correct). As I mentioned before, gmail puts it in spam rather than bouncing it. It's a pain in the neck for sure!
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
Just a guess but was there not something about this some years ago that had something to do with the posting of HTML message to a plain text list or am I thinking of something else. I myself have never had a problem.
John W0JAB
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There's a down arrow next to the "TO" field on emails received via the mailing list? Click that. You'll see a item listed named "mailing list" and next to it will be a option to "Filter messages from this mailing list."
Click that and click "Create filter with this search." On the next page click "Never send it to Spam" and then "Create Filter" and you'll be good to go.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Greg D ko6th.greg@gmail.com wrote:
How?
Greg KO6TH
Paul Stoetzer wrote:
FYI - With Gmail, you can set up a filter to prevent list messages from being sent to your Spam folder, which solves this problem.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Glen Zook gzook@yahoo.com wrote:
I just got a similar E-Mail from the automatic responder for the AMSAT
BB. Yahoo.com, as well as, I have been told, several other E-Mail clients made certain changes several weeks ago that results in certain, but not all, messages from a reflector bouncing. Frankly, I have been getting E-Mails from the AMSAT reflector every day including today.
I participate in several reflectors and have gotten similar automatic letters about messages bouncing. The person, in charge of the reflector, contacted Yahoo, and the other E-Mail clients, to see what changes had to be made to the reflector so that messages will not bounce.
There are a lot of amateur radio operators, as well as I, who use Yahoo, G-Mail, etc., for reflectors because, like it or not, reflectors seem to be a target of SPAM and the desire to keep such SPAM away from our primary E-Mail addresses.
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:40 PM, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote:
John, it completely depends on what your ISPs (or more specifically your email supplier's) policy is for email that comes marked as "check that my address is correct). As I mentioned before, gmail puts it in spam rather than bouncing it. It's a pain in the neck for sure!
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
Just a guess but was there not something about this some years ago that
had something to do with the posting of HTML message to a plain text list or am I thinking of something else. I myself have never had a problem.
John W0JAB
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Paul.....
Works great! Thanks!!
73, Bob K8BL
P.S. Good to see you at Dayton.
________________________________ From: Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net To: Greg D ko6th.greg@gmail.com Cc: Amsat BB AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] bounces
There's a down arrow next to the "TO" field on emails received via the mailing list? Click that. You'll see a item listed named "mailing list" and next to it will be a option to "Filter messages from this mailing list."
Click that and click "Create filter with this search." On the next page click "Never send it to Spam" and then "Create Filter" and you'll be good to go.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Greg D ko6th.greg@gmail.com wrote:
How?
Greg KO6TH
Paul Stoetzer wrote:
FYI - With Gmail, you can set up a filter to prevent list messages from being sent to your Spam folder, which solves this problem.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Glen Zook gzook@yahoo.com wrote:
I just got a similar E-Mail from the automatic responder for the AMSAT
BB. Yahoo.com, as well as, I have been told, several other E-Mail clients made certain changes several weeks ago that results in certain, but not all, messages from a reflector bouncing. Frankly, I have been getting E-Mails from the AMSAT reflector every day including today.
I participate in several reflectors and have gotten similar automatic letters about messages bouncing. The person, in charge of the reflector, contacted Yahoo, and the other E-Mail clients, to see what changes had to be made to the reflector so that messages will not bounce.
There are a lot of amateur radio operators, as well as I, who use Yahoo, G-Mail, etc., for reflectors because, like it or not, reflectors seem to be a target of SPAM and the desire to keep such SPAM away from our primary E-Mail addresses.
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:40 PM, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote:
John, it completely depends on what your ISPs (or more specifically your email supplier's) policy is for email that comes marked as "check that my address is correct). As I mentioned before, gmail puts it in spam rather than bouncing it. It's a pain in the neck for sure!
73,
Burns W2BFJ
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
Just a guess but was there not something about this some years ago that
had something to do with the posting of HTML message to a plain text list or am I thinking of something else. I myself have never had a problem.
John W0JAB
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