Is there somewhere that I can get a digital copy of the proposed bylaw changes? It would make comparison with the existing bylaws much easier. Thanks.
--Roy K3RLD
The mailing states that objections must be "written". Does this mean they must be mailed via USPS? Or is email acceptable? Who should the objections be addressed and/or mailed to?
--Roy K3RLD
They must be (postal) mailed. Please use the return address on the envelope.
73, Jeff KE9V
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The mailing states that objections must be "written". Does this mean they must be mailed via USPS? Or is email acceptable? Who should the objections be addressed and/or mailed to?
--Roy K3RLD
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I will say that good policy for an organization when posting proposed bylaws changes is to post the current sections alongside proposed change/additions/deletions so membership has a clear understanding of what is being proposed. It should not be a difficult hunt/copy/paste process for members to see and understand what they are to vote for. The mailing only had cost changes not what was originally there.
As I read the letter announcing the amendments, it said that membership needed to respond within 10 days of receiving the notification or the changes would go into effect. My local radio club is in the middle of bylaw changes as well, but our process by our bylaws provides for full disclosure and enough opportunity for discussions.
We must have transparency in a process like this please.
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On Apr 20, 2021, at 15:52, Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
They must be (postal) mailed. Please use the return address on the envelope.
73, Jeff KE9V
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I’m not sure where you read that response was required in 10 days?
“This approved amendment will be effective 30 days from the postmark of this letter,”
The 30 days to respond clause has not been amended and was part of the latest published ByLaws that were last reviewed and compared in 2014.
The approved amendment included a cover letter that summarized the changes and the entire document was included. It doesn’t get any more “transparent” than that.
73, Jeff KE9V
On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Tom Schuessler tjschuessler@verizon.net wrote:
I will say that good policy for an organization when posting proposed bylaws changes is to post the current sections alongside proposed change/additions/deletions so membership has a clear understanding of what is being proposed. It should not be a difficult hunt/copy/paste process for members to see and understand what they are to vote for. The mailing only had cost changes not what was originally there.
As I read the letter announcing the amendments, it said that membership needed to respond within 10 days of receiving the notification or the changes would go into effect. My local radio club is in the middle of bylaw changes as well, but our process by our bylaws provides for full disclosure and enough opportunity for discussions.
We must have transparency in a process like this please.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2021, at 15:52, Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
They must be (postal) mailed. Please use the return address on the envelope.
73, Jeff KE9V
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The mailing states that objections must be "written". Does this mean they must be mailed via USPS? Or is email acceptable? Who should the objections be addressed and/or mailed to?
--Roy K3RLD
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Hi Jeff, All,
As an overseas member, may I enquire about the logic of requiring a post/mailed response - this seems somewhat at odds with both modern norms and, I would have thought, a general desire to minimise physical handling of documents during a pandemic no matter how low the risk ?
vy 73 Hugh
VK3YYZ/AD5RV
On 2021-04-21 05:52, Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
They must be (postal) mailed. Please use the return address on the envelope.
73, Jeff KE9V
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--Roy K3RLD
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It's because the current (old) bylaws specify notices via the mail, and one of the changes to the bylaws as presented is to allow for electronic communication. -- Mark D. Johns, KØJM AMSAT Ambassador & News Service Editor Brooklyn Park, MN USA EN35hd ----------------------------------------------- "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." ---Mark Twain
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:13 PM Hugh Blemings hugh@blemings.org wrote:
Hi Jeff, All,
As an overseas member, may I enquire about the logic of requiring a post/mailed response - this seems somewhat at odds with both modern norms and, I would have thought, a general desire to minimise physical handling of documents during a pandemic no matter how low the risk ?
vy 73 Hugh
VK3YYZ/AD5RV
On 2021-04-21 05:52, Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
They must be (postal) mailed. Please use the return address on the envelope.
73, Jeff KE9V
On Apr 20, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Roy Dean royldean@gmail.com wrote:
The mailing states that objections must be "written". Does this mean they must be mailed via USPS? Or is email acceptable? Who should the objections be addressed and/or mailed to?
--Roy K3RLD
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Hi All,
Thank you Mark for the clarification, appreciated.
vy 73 Hugh VK3YYZ/AD5RV
On 2021-04-21 10:39, Mark Johns, K0JM wrote:
It's because the current (old) bylaws specify notices via the mail, and one of the changes to the bylaws as presented is to allow for electronic communication.
--
Mark D. Johns, KØJM AMSAT Ambassador & News Service Editor Brooklyn Park, MN USA EN35hd
"Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." ---Mark Twain
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:13 PM Hugh Blemings hugh@blemings.org wrote:
Hi Jeff, All,
As an overseas member, may I enquire about the logic of requiring a post/mailed response - this seems somewhat at odds with both modern norms and, I would have thought, a general desire to minimise physical handling of documents during a pandemic no matter how low the risk ?
vy 73 Hugh
VK3YYZ/AD5RV
On 2021-04-21 05:52, Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB wrote: They must be (postal) mailed. Please use the return address on the envelope.
73, Jeff KE9V
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--Roy K3RLD
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The letterhead of the letter giving the proposed bylaws gives an address of a mailbox store which I think was used by Brennan when he was secretary: 712 H Street NE, Ste 1653 Washington DC 20002. Since no other address is stated, I am assuming this is the address for objections and an officer will actually collect them there.
Is this still a valid address of AMSAT?
The address on AMSAT's last Form 990 is 10605 Concord St, Ste 304, Kensington, MD 20895.
Is that still a valid address of AMSAT?
To what address should the objections be addressed?
Thanks
Bruce
As reported in various news outlets, AMSAT’s address changed on January 1, 2021 to 712 H Street NE, Ste 1653 Washington DC 20002
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 20:35 Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
The letterhead of the letter giving the proposed bylaws gives an address of a mailbox store which I think was used by Brennan when he was secretary: 712 H Street NE, Ste 1653 https://www.google.com/maps/search/712+H+Street+NE,+Ste+1653+Washington+DC+20002?entry=gmail&source=g Washington DC 20002 https://www.google.com/maps/search/712+H+Street+NE,+Ste+1653+Washington+DC+20002?entry=gmail&source=g. Since no other address is stated, I am assuming this is the address for objections and an officer will actually collect them there.
Is this still a valid address of AMSAT?
The address on AMSAT's last Form 990 is 10605 Concord St, Ste 304, Kensington, MD 20895 https://www.google.com/maps/search/10605+Concord+St,+Ste+304,+Kensington,+MD+20895?entry=gmail&source=g .
Is that still a valid address of AMSAT?
To what address should the objections be addressed?
Thanks Bruce
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Sir, since this is the message establishing the "mailed" response I must ask you where in the Bylaws "Amendments" paragraph says that "written" objections must be snail mailed back to AMSAT?
Or where does it establish that the delivery of a member written objection must be in the form specified by the Secretary?
I can't find either one...
Fernando KF7R
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 12:53 PM Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
They must be (postal) mailed. Please use the return address on the envelope.
73, Jeff KE9V
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The mailing states that objections must be "written". Does this mean
they must be mailed via USPS? Or is email acceptable? Who should the objections be addressed and/or mailed to?
--Roy K3RLD
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