Rich, my last location was worse than yours I believe. I lived in an large city two story home with 9' ceilings and a large peak roof, think 1903 style. There was a three story home on the east side and a three story church on the west. Three very large oak trees in the front and very poor aim points to the north. I mounted my tripod on a one story wood shed on the north end of the home. I had about a 60' run of hardline to the shack and used high gain yagi antennas for vhf/uhf. This setup worked fantasy and always was amazing to me. I even pre purchased a Super-Amp SP-7000 for UHF but never found that I needed it. Use some antennas with some gain and I'll bet you'll be just fine mounting on the garage or lower build.
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Thanks. I've gotten a number of responses ranging from: Put up a tower Put it in the attic Put it on a tripod on the roof And - yours - put it somewhere reasonable and don't freak out about the attenuation.
The garage and the house both have 8/12 pitch roofs, so that's my concern with mounting on the roof. I've done it before but I'm happy about it. The garage is lower, so less of a fall, but still steep.
I might be able to get a small AZ/EL setup inside the attic above the garage. The issue there is my shack is on the exact opposite side of the house. So, I'd most likely need to move the shack to the garage attic. There's power up there, but no insulation. Maybe I could put the IC-9700 there and remotely control it?
I've thought about a tower... But there are so many tower options, it's a little daunting. If I put the tower just outside where the shack is, I'd need about 38' to clear the highest peak of the house roof. I could go lower and just live with a little extra attenuation from the house roof. And I assume any tower would come with the need to deal with the local zoning/permit guys. If I go that route, I'd want the tower to be high enough to use as the center of a dipole also.
Too many options...
Rich KD2CQ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:18 PM satop satop@protonmail.com wrote:
Rich, my last location was worse than yours I believe. I lived in an large city two story home with 9' ceilings and a large peak roof, think 1903 style. There was a three story home on the east side and a three story church on the west. Three very large oak trees in the front and very poor aim points to the north. I mounted my tripod on a one story wood shed on the north end of the home. I had about a 60' run of hardline to the shack and used high gain yagi antennas for vhf/uhf. This setup worked fantasy and always was amazing to me. I even pre purchased a Super-Amp SP-7000 for UHF but never found that I needed it. Use some antennas with some gain and I'll bet you'll be just fine mounting on the garage or lower build.
Gary/N8AYY
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I use a fiberglass mast by MGS for my M2 LEO antennas and G5500 rotator. Works fine. You may not have enough room for the guy lines? I have expired HOA covenants, the best kind! Mine is up about 30-35 feet. PM me for details if you're interested.
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:08 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Thanks. I've gotten a number of responses ranging from: Put up a tower Put it in the attic Put it on a tripod on the roof And - yours - put it somewhere reasonable and don't freak out about the attenuation.
The garage and the house both have 8/12 pitch roofs, so that's my concern with mounting on the roof. I've done it before but I'm happy about it. The garage is lower, so less of a fall, but still steep.
I might be able to get a small AZ/EL setup inside the attic above the garage. The issue there is my shack is on the exact opposite side of the house. So, I'd most likely need to move the shack to the garage attic. There's power up there, but no insulation. Maybe I could put the IC-9700 there and remotely control it?
I've thought about a tower... But there are so many tower options, it's a little daunting. If I put the tower just outside where the shack is, I'd need about 38' to clear the highest peak of the house roof. I could go lower and just live with a little extra attenuation from the house roof. And I assume any tower would come with the need to deal with the local zoning/permit guys. If I go that route, I'd want the tower to be high enough to use as the center of a dipole also.
Too many options...
Rich KD2CQ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:18 PM satop satop@protonmail.com wrote:
Rich, my last location was worse than yours I believe. I lived in an large city two story home with 9' ceilings and a large peak roof, think 1903 style. There was a three story home on the east side and a three story church on the west. Three very large oak trees in the front and
very
poor aim points to the north. I mounted my tripod on a one story wood
shed
on the north end of the home. I had about a 60' run of hardline to the shack and used high gain yagi antennas for vhf/uhf. This setup worked fantasy and always was amazing to me. I even pre purchased a Super-Amp SP-7000 for UHF but never found that I needed it. Use some antennas with some gain and I'll bet you'll be just fine mounting on the garage or
lower
build.
Gary/N8AYY
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Rich, the attic has always seemed like an attractive location to me, but I'd suggest before you go that route, do some reception checking. For example, see how well you receive one of the Foxes on an HT on the ground outside, and then go to the attic and see how similar it is.
For reasons unknown, the last time I tried this I was totally unable to get ANYTHING in the attic, although I know some people have done well there.. I wonder if it relates to the spacing of the nails compared to the wavelength, or something about the particular mixture of material used in the shingles?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I use a fiberglass mast by MGS for my M2 LEO antennas and G5500 rotator. Works fine. You may not have enough room for the guy lines? I have expired HOA covenants, the best kind! Mine is up about 30-35 feet. PM me for details if you're interested.
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:08 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Thanks. I've gotten a number of responses ranging from: Put up a tower Put it in the attic Put it on a tripod on the roof And - yours - put it somewhere reasonable and don't freak out about the attenuation.
The garage and the house both have 8/12 pitch roofs, so that's my concern with mounting on the roof. I've done it before but I'm happy about it. The garage is lower, so less of a fall, but still steep.
I might be able to get a small AZ/EL setup inside the attic above the garage. The issue there is my shack is on the exact opposite side of the house. So, I'd most likely need to move the shack to the garage attic. There's power up there, but no insulation. Maybe I could put the IC-9700 there and remotely control it?
I've thought about a tower... But there are so many tower options, it's a little daunting. If I put the tower just outside where the shack is, I'd need about 38' to clear the highest peak of the house roof. I could go lower and just live with a little extra attenuation from the house roof. And I assume any tower would come with the need to deal with the local zoning/permit guys. If I go that route, I'd want the tower to be high enough to use as the center of a dipole also.
Too many options...
Rich KD2CQ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:18 PM satop satop@protonmail.com wrote:
Rich, my last location was worse than yours I believe. I lived in an large city two story home with 9' ceilings and a large peak roof, think 1903 style. There was a three story home on the east side and a three story church on the west. Three very large oak trees in the front and
very
poor aim points to the north. I mounted my tripod on a one story wood
shed
on the north end of the home. I had about a 60' run of hardline to the shack and used high gain yagi antennas for vhf/uhf. This setup worked fantasy and always was amazing to me. I even pre purchased a Super-Amp SP-7000 for UHF but never found that I needed it. Use some antennas
with
some gain and I'll bet you'll be just fine mounting on the garage or
lower
build.
Gary/N8AYY
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Many newer houses have foil backed plywood decking to block heat transfer. That also blocks rf.
Floyd KC5QBC
On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:02 PM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Rich, the attic has always seemed like an attractive location to me, but I'd suggest before you go that route, do some reception checking. For example, see how well you receive one of the Foxes on an HT on the ground outside, and then go to the attic and see how similar it is.
For reasons unknown, the last time I tried this I was totally unable to get ANYTHING in the attic, although I know some people have done well there.. I wonder if it relates to the spacing of the nails compared to the wavelength, or something about the particular mixture of material used in the shingles?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I use a fiberglass mast by MGS for my M2 LEO antennas and G5500 rotator. Works fine. You may not have enough room for the guy lines? I have expired HOA covenants, the best kind! Mine is up about 30-35 feet. PM me for details if you're interested.
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:08 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Thanks. I've gotten a number of responses ranging from: Put up a tower Put it in the attic Put it on a tripod on the roof And - yours - put it somewhere reasonable and don't freak out about the attenuation.
The garage and the house both have 8/12 pitch roofs, so that's my concern with mounting on the roof. I've done it before but I'm happy about it. The garage is lower, so less of a fall, but still steep.
I might be able to get a small AZ/EL setup inside the attic above the garage. The issue there is my shack is on the exact opposite side of the house. So, I'd most likely need to move the shack to the garage attic. There's power up there, but no insulation. Maybe I could put the IC-9700 there and remotely control it?
I've thought about a tower... But there are so many tower options, it's a little daunting. If I put the tower just outside where the shack is, I'd need about 38' to clear the highest peak of the house roof. I could go lower and just live with a little extra attenuation from the house roof. And I assume any tower would come with the need to deal with the local zoning/permit guys. If I go that route, I'd want the tower to be high enough to use as the center of a dipole also.
Too many options...
Rich KD2CQ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:18 PM satop satop@protonmail.com wrote:
Rich, my last location was worse than yours I believe. I lived in an large city two story home with 9' ceilings and a large peak roof, think 1903 style. There was a three story home on the east side and a three story church on the west. Three very large oak trees in the front and
very
poor aim points to the north. I mounted my tripod on a one story wood
shed
on the north end of the home. I had about a 60' run of hardline to the shack and used high gain yagi antennas for vhf/uhf. This setup worked fantasy and always was amazing to me. I even pre purchased a Super-Amp SP-7000 for UHF but never found that I needed it. Use some antennas
with
some gain and I'll bet you'll be just fine mounting on the garage or
lower
build.
Gary/N8AYY
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Yeah, I was wondering about that. I guess I could do a simple RF attenuation test.
Rich
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:27 PM Floyd Rodgers via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Many newer houses have foil backed plywood decking to block heat transfer. That also blocks rf.
Floyd KC5QBC
On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:02 PM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Rich, the attic has always seemed like an attractive location to me, but I'd suggest before you go that route, do some reception checking. For example, see how well you receive one of the Foxes on an HT on the
ground
outside, and then go to the attic and see how similar it is.
For reasons unknown, the last time I tried this I was totally unable to
get
ANYTHING in the attic, although I know some people have done well there.. I wonder if it relates to the spacing of the nails compared to the wavelength, or something about the particular mixture of material used in the shingles?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org>
wrote:
I use a fiberglass mast by MGS for my M2 LEO antennas and G5500 rotator. Works fine. You may not have enough room for the guy lines? I have expired HOA covenants, the best kind! Mine is up about 30-35 feet. PM me for details if you're interested.
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:08 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Thanks. I've gotten a number of responses ranging from: Put up a tower Put it in the attic Put it on a tripod on the roof And - yours - put it somewhere reasonable and don't freak out about the attenuation.
The garage and the house both have 8/12 pitch roofs, so that's my
concern
with mounting on the roof. I've done it before but I'm happy about it. The garage is lower, so less of a fall, but still steep.
I might be able to get a small AZ/EL setup inside the attic above the garage. The issue there is my shack is on the exact opposite side of
the
house. So, I'd most likely need to move the shack to the garage attic. There's power up there, but no insulation. Maybe I could put the
IC-9700
there and remotely control it?
I've thought about a tower... But there are so many tower options,
it's a
little daunting. If I put the tower just outside where the shack is,
I'd
need about 38' to clear the highest peak of the house roof. I could go lower and just live with a little extra attenuation from the house
roof.
And I assume any tower would come with the need to deal with the local zoning/permit guys. If I go that route, I'd want the tower to be high enough to use as the center of a dipole also.
Too many options...
Rich KD2CQ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:18 PM satop satop@protonmail.com wrote:
Rich, my last location was worse than yours I believe. I lived in an large city two story home with 9' ceilings and a large peak roof,
think
1903 style. There was a three story home on the east side and a three story church on the west. Three very large oak trees in the front and
very
poor aim points to the north. I mounted my tripod on a one story wood
shed
on the north end of the home. I had about a 60' run of hardline to
the
shack and used high gain yagi antennas for vhf/uhf. This setup worked fantasy and always was amazing to me. I even pre purchased a
Super-Amp
SP-7000 for UHF but never found that I needed it. Use some antennas
with
some gain and I'll bet you'll be just fine mounting on the garage or
lower
build.
Gary/N8AYY
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An indoors antenna would not work in my house. I took my Arrows antenna inside and I basically hear nothing. Even just behind a modern double pane window (I believe they have some polarization filters) you pretty much hear nothing.
73, Bernd - KB7AK
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Yeah, I was wondering about that. I guess I could do a simple RF attenuation test.
Rich
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:27 PM Floyd Rodgers via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Many newer houses have foil backed plywood decking to block heat transfer. That also blocks rf.
Floyd KC5QBC
On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:02 PM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Rich, the attic has always seemed like an attractive location to me, but I'd suggest before you go that route, do some reception checking. For example, see how well you receive one of the Foxes on an HT on the
ground
outside, and then go to the attic and see how similar it is.
For reasons unknown, the last time I tried this I was totally unable to
get
ANYTHING in the attic, although I know some people have done well
there..
I wonder if it relates to the spacing of the nails compared to the wavelength, or something about the particular mixture of material used in the shingles?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org>
wrote:
I use a fiberglass mast by MGS for my M2 LEO antennas and G5500
rotator.
Works fine. You may not have enough room for the guy lines? I have expired HOA covenants, the best kind! Mine is up about 30-35 feet. PM me for details if you're interested.
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:08 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Thanks. I've gotten a number of responses ranging from: Put up a tower Put it in the attic Put it on a tripod on the roof And - yours - put it somewhere reasonable and don't freak out about the attenuation.
The garage and the house both have 8/12 pitch roofs, so that's my
concern
with mounting on the roof. I've done it before but I'm happy about
it.
The garage is lower, so less of a fall, but still steep.
I might be able to get a small AZ/EL setup inside the attic above the garage. The issue there is my shack is on the exact opposite side of
the
house. So, I'd most likely need to move the shack to the garage
attic.
There's power up there, but no insulation. Maybe I could put the
IC-9700
there and remotely control it?
I've thought about a tower... But there are so many tower options,
it's a
little daunting. If I put the tower just outside where the shack is,
I'd
need about 38' to clear the highest peak of the house roof. I could go lower and just live with a little extra attenuation from the house
roof.
And I assume any tower would come with the need to deal with the local zoning/permit guys. If I go that route, I'd want the tower to be high enough to use as the center of a dipole also.
Too many options...
Rich KD2CQ
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:18 PM satop satop@protonmail.com wrote:
Rich, my last location was worse than yours I believe. I lived in an large city two story home with 9' ceilings and a large peak roof,
think
1903 style. There was a three story home on the east side and a three story church on the west. Three very large oak trees in the front and
very
poor aim points to the north. I mounted my tripod on a one story wood
shed
on the north end of the home. I had about a 60' run of hardline to
the
shack and used high gain yagi antennas for vhf/uhf. This setup worked fantasy and always was amazing to me. I even pre purchased a
Super-Amp
SP-7000 for UHF but never found that I needed it. Use some antennas
with
some gain and I'll bet you'll be just fine mounting on the garage or
lower
build.
Gary/N8AYY
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On 06/06/2020 12:45, Bernd Peters via AMSAT-BB wrote:
An indoors antenna would not work in my house. I took my Arrows antenna inside and I basically hear nothing. Even just behind a modern double pane window (I believe they have some polarization filters) you pretty much hear nothing.
My house is chicken wire and plaster construction (1962). RF does not do well in here.
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