Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not developed by a ham radio operator for that company??? A lot of hams are in that business.
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
"To help the believer " :-)
Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a long time.
Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the radio art!!!!!!
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
"To help the non beleiver.. "
Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way repeaters are ... but I digress)
I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the radio art ... it does not promote innovation ...
Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever you need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've learned nothing and you've given nothing back.
The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any value for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the highest bidder.
We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: > > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the > > > same > > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > > > DSTAR > > > it > > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much > > > fun, > > > there is something for everyone > > > 73,s Damon > > > > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. > > Only > > > > one > manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell > to a > handful of approved radio manufacturers. > > > > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the > > AMBE > codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio. > > > > -- > > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the > > author. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > To help the non beleiver.. just read this: > > http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 > > And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one > choose > to > use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something > has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who > wants > to > use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication > protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's > just > to say competition is already present. > > The cost question. > You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR > for > 700$ > and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just > an example and i'm not connected to their business. > > > http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- > --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& > ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ > you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted > > I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham > radio > no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old... > > I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you > will > be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the > internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you > don't > live on my planet. > > Just let folks live free... > > > Luc Leblanc VE2DWE > WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the > author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not developed by a ham radio operator for that company??? A lot of hams are in that business.
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected]
To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
"To help the believer " :-)
Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a long time.
Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the radio art!!!!!!
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
"To help the non beleiver.. "
> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument. > > D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way > repeaters > are > ... but I digress) > > I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the > radio > art ... it does not promote innovation ... > > Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever > you > need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've > learned > nothing and you've given nothing back. > > The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any > value > for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the > highest > bidder. > > We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/ > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: > > >> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: >> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the > >> > same >> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > > >> DSTAR >> > > it >> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much > >> > fun, >> > > there is something for everyone >> > > 73,s Damon >> > >> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. > >> Only >> > > >> one >> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell >> to a >> handful of approved radio manufacturers. >> > >> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the > >> AMBE >> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio. >> > >> > -- >> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >> > >> author. >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> To help the non beleiver.. just read this: >> >> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 >> >> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one >> choose >> to >> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something >> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who >> wants >> to >> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication >> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's >> just >> to say competition is already present. >> >> The cost question. >> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR >> for >> 700$ >> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just >> an example and i'm not connected to their business. >> >> >> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- >> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& >> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ >> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted >> >> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham >> radio >> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old... >> >> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you >> will >> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the >> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you >> don't >> live on my planet. >> >> Just let folks live free... >> >> >> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE >> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >> author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the > author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > _______________________________________________
Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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*absolutely true*
We've surrendered freedoms by using this. ICOM of course had no real understanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers at Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with.
It does reek, however.
--STeve Andre' wb8wsf en72
On 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote:
If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not developed by a ham radio operator for that company??? A lot of hams are in that business.
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected]
To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
"To help the believer " :-)
> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it > in a long time. > > Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar?? > > Have you chatted voice and text as the same time?? > > Have you tried to surf the web with DStar. > > Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ??? > > > Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the > radio art!!!!!! > > 7 3 de Angelo > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR > > > "To help the non beleiver.. " > > >> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument. >> >> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way >> repeaters >> are >> ... but I digress) >> >> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the >> radio >> art ... it does not promote innovation ... >> >> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever >> you >> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've >> learned >> nothing and you've given nothing back. >> >> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any >> value >> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the >> highest >> bidder. >> >> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: >> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: >>>>> Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the > >>>> same >>>>> thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > > >>> DSTAR >>>>> it >>>>> is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much > >>>> fun, >>>>> there is something for everyone >>>>> 73,s Damon >>>> But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. > >>> Only >>>> > >>> one >>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell >>> to a >>> handful of approved radio manufacturers. >>>> It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the > >>> AMBE >>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio. >>>> -- >>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>> >>> author. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this: >>> >>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 >>> >>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one >>> choose >>> to >>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something >>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who >>> wants >>> to >>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication >>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's >>> just >>> to say competition is already present. >>> >>> The cost question. >>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR >>> for >>> 700$ >>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just >>> an example and i'm not connected to their business. >>> >>> >>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- >>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& >>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ >>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted >>> >>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham >>> radio >>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old... >>> >>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you >>> will >>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the >>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you >>> don't >>> live on my planet. >>> >>> Just let folks live free... >>> >>> >>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE >>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE >>> >>> >>>
In a few more years the Patent on the original chip will run out and it will be open at that point.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of STeve Andre' Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
*absolutely true*
We've surrendered freedoms by using this. ICOM of course had no real understanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers at Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with.
It does reek, however.
--STeve Andre' wb8wsf en72
On 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote:
If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected]
wrote:
Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not developed by a ham radio operator for that company??? A lot of hams are in that business.
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected]
To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for
example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
"To help the believer " :-)
> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a > long time. > > Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar?? > > Have you chatted voice and text as the same time?? > > Have you tried to surf the web with DStar. > > Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises
???
> > > Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the > radio art!!!!!! > > 7 3 de Angelo > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR > > > "To help the non beleiver.. " > > >> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument. >> >> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way >> repeaters are ... but I digress) >> >> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not >> enhance the radio art ... it does not promote innovation ... >> >> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what >> ever you need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone >> .... you've learned nothing and you've given nothing back. >> >> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not >> generating any value for what we've been entrusted with it's >> going to be sold off to the highest bidder. >> >> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: >> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: >>>>> Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the >>>>> > >>>> same >>>>> thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with >>>>> > > >>> DSTAR >>>>> it >>>>> is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so >>>>> much > >>>> fun, >>>>> there is something for everyone 73,s Damon >>>> But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB >>>> rig. > >>> Only >>>> > >>> one >>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will >>> only sell to a handful of approved radio manufacturers. >>>> It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying >>>> the > >>> AMBE >>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur
radio.
>>>> -- >>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of >>>> the >>>> >>> author. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur >>>> satellite >>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: >>>> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this: >>> >>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 >>> >>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one >>> choose to use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you >>> think something has no place im amateur radio just don't use >>> it and let those who wants to use it enjoy one of the most >>> reliable digital communication protocol available. Yes some >>> will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's just to say >>> competition is already present. >>> >>> The cost question. >>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to >>> DSTAR for 700$ and much less if you are technicaly >>> inclined.See below it's just an example and i'm not connected >>> to their business. >>> >>> >>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- >>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& >>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ >>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted >>> >>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's >>> not Ham radio no one should use it" trend come from but it's >>> getting old... >>> >>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL >>> and you will be able to reach me all over the globe. If you >>> don't like the internet component you better to go back to the >>> cave man, or you don't live on my planet. >>> >>> Just let folks live free... >>> >>> >>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE >>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE >>> >>> >>>
_______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
You are right. You can bring a horse to water, but he will not drink it unless he knows how it is made and he can modified the taste and the color. hmmmm
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not developed by a ham radio operator for that company??? A lot of hams are in that business.
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected]
To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso [email protected] wrote:
"To help the believer " :-)
> > Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it > in a long time. > > Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar?? > > Have you chatted voice and text as the same time?? > > Have you tried to surf the web with DStar. > > Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises > ??? > > > Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the > radio art!!!!!! > > 7 3 de Angelo > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR > > > "To help the non beleiver.. " > > >> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument. >> >> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way >> repeaters >> are >> ... but I digress) >> >> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance >> the >> radio >> art ... it does not promote innovation ... >> >> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what >> ever >> you >> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've >> learned >> nothing and you've given nothing back. >> >> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating >> any >> value >> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the >> highest >> bidder. >> >> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: >> >> >>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: >>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the > >>> > same >>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > >>> > > > >>> DSTAR >>> > > it >>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much >>> > > > >>> > fun, >>> > > there is something for everyone >>> > > 73,s Damon >>> > >>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. > >>> Only >>> > > >>> one >>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only >>> sell >>> to a >>> handful of approved radio manufacturers. >>> > >>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the > >>> AMBE >>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur >>> radio. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>> > >>> author. >>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur >>> > satellite >>> program! >>> > Subscription settings: >>> > http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this: >>> >>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 >>> >>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one >>> choose >>> to >>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something >>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who >>> wants >>> to >>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication >>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better >>> it's >>> just >>> to say competition is already present. >>> >>> The cost question. >>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR >>> for >>> 700$ >>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just >>> an example and i'm not connected to their business. >>> >>> >>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- >>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& >>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ >>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted >>> >>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not >>> Ham >>> radio >>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old... >>> >>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and >>> you >>> will >>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the >>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you >>> don't >>> live on my planet. >>> >>> Just let folks live free... >>> >>> >>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE >>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>> author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >> author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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