*absolutely true*
We've surrendered freedoms by using this. ICOM of course had no real understanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers at Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with.
It does reek, however.
--STeve Andre' wb8wsf en72
On 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote:
If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso n5uxt@hotmail.com wrote:
Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not developed by a ham radio operator for that company??? A lot of hams are in that business.
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" pabutusa@gmail.com
To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso n5uxt@hotmail.com wrote:
Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" pabutusa@gmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso n5uxt@hotmail.com wrote:
"To help the believer " :-)
> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it > in a long time. > > Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar?? > > Have you chatted voice and text as the same time?? > > Have you tried to surf the web with DStar. > > Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ??? > > > Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the > radio art!!!!!! > > 7 3 de Angelo > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" pabutusa@gmail.com > To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR > > > "To help the non beleiver.. " > > >> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument. >> >> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way >> repeaters >> are >> ... but I digress) >> >> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the >> radio >> art ... it does not promote innovation ... >> >> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever >> you >> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've >> learned >> nothing and you've given nothing back. >> >> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any >> value >> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the >> highest >> bidder. >> >> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, lucleblanc6@videotron.ca wrote: >> >> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: >> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: >>>>> Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the > >>>> same >>>>> thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > > >>> DSTAR >>>>> it >>>>> is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much > >>>> fun, >>>>> there is something for everyone >>>>> 73,s Damon >>>> But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. > >>> Only >>>> > >>> one >>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell >>> to a >>> handful of approved radio manufacturers. >>>> It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the > >>> AMBE >>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio. >>>> -- >>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>> >>> author. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this: >>> >>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 >>> >>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one >>> choose >>> to >>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something >>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who >>> wants >>> to >>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication >>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's >>> just >>> to say competition is already present. >>> >>> The cost question. >>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR >>> for >>> 700$ >>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just >>> an example and i'm not connected to their business. >>> >>> >>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- >>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& >>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ >>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted >>> >>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham >>> radio >>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old... >>> >>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you >>> will >>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the >>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you >>> don't >>> live on my planet. >>> >>> Just let folks live free... >>> >>> >>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE >>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE >>> >>> >>>