K6LCS Sat Presentation - Recordings
Q. Do you publish a recording of your satellite presentation?
A. There are a few videos of my presentation out there ... on convention or club sites. But there's a couple of reasons I do not publish one myself …
1. Each of my shows is very-much-personalized for its audience. There are 15-19 "sldes" that are audience-specific that get changed. It would just be weird to have you listen to club-specific information for someone else's club!
2. Like books on many topics, once they are published, they are outdated. And so are these satellite presentations. Timely information I give tonight regarding ISS operations and "current status" of some satellites will change and might NOT be current next week - as life goes on.
SO ... As you cruise the 'Net for satellite information, make sure the sites you bookmark respect you enough to DATE THEIR INFORMATION! A Scout leader called me up a couple years ago after a Field Day, and was irritated that he was not able to work AO-51 for his large gathering. He had cruised the 'Net and found "Easy Sats to Work!" info for AO-51 - and set up his equipment for AO-51. Well, AO-51 passed away / ceased operating 11/29/2011. But that Web site he used didn't tell its visitors that: It was a OLD article, current when it was originally published …
Clint Bradford K6LCS AMSAT Ambassador, ARRL registered instructor www.work-sat.com (909) 999-SATS (7287)
Clint K6LCS, Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures so that the chaosand mayhem that is experienced daily on the FM Satellites can, hopefully,be abated. This needs to be stressed for new users. Please have them visualizean FM Repeater in the sky and how only one user at a time can operatethrough its ONE Channel. One must allow an existing QSO to be completedbefore someone tries to begin another one. Try to keep transmissions short.Use phonetics since many letters sound like others. TNX/73, Bob K8BL On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 04:03:14 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Q. Do you publish a recording of your satellite presentation?
A. There are a few videos of my presentation out there ... on convention or club sites. But there's a couple of reasons I do not publish one myself …
1. Each of my shows is very-much-personalized for its audience. There are 15-19 "sldes" that are audience-specific that get changed. It would just be weird to have you listen to club-specific information for someone else's club!
2. Like books on many topics, once they are published, they are outdated. And so are these satellite presentations. Timely information I give tonight regarding ISS operations and "current status" of some satellites will change and might NOT be current next week - as life goes on.
SO ... As you cruise the 'Net for satellite information, make sure the sites you bookmark respect you enough to DATE THEIR INFORMATION! A Scout leader called me up a couple years ago after a Field Day, and was irritated that he was not able to work AO-51 for his large gathering. He had cruised the 'Net and found "Easy Sats to Work!" info for AO-51 - and set up his equipment for AO-51. Well, AO-51 passed away / ceased operating 11/29/2011. But that Web site he used didn't tell its visitors that: It was a OLD article, current when it was originally published …
Clint Bradford K6LCS AMSAT Ambassador, ARRL registered instructor www.work-sat.com (909) 999-SATS (7287)
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Great suggestion Bob and thanks. Joe N5JF
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On Aug 22, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
>> ...Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures ...
I have during each and every one of my125+ shows so far.
Clint K6LCS
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Hi Joe, Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully, Clint K6LCS can includesome of these suggestions that I have picked up over the yearsfrom many long-time Satellite users. Whatever steps can be takento alleviate the chaos and mayhem on many FM SAT passes shouldbe considered. TNX/73, Bob K8BL
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 07:13:02 PM EDT, Joseph Fouquet n5jf@att.net wrote:
Great suggestion Bob and thanks. Joe N5JF
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
...Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures ...
I have during each and every one of my125+ shows so far. Clint K6LCS
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Greetings! I am new here. I teach high school at Makua Lani Christian Academy in Kailua-Kona, Hawaii. We are building a ground station. Our plan is to purchase the M2 LEO Pack through AMSAT. Any advice you'd like to send my way, I'd be grateful. - Frederick
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 3:28 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Hi Joe,
Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully, Clint K6LCS can include some of these suggestions that I have picked up over the years from many long-time Satellite users. Whatever steps can be taken to alleviate the chaos and mayhem on many FM SAT passes should be considered.
TNX/73, Bob K8BL
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 07:13:02 PM EDT, Joseph Fouquet n5jf@att.net wrote:
Great suggestion Bob and thanks. Joe N5JF
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
...Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures ...
I have during each and every one of my125+ shows so far.
Clint K6LCS
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Frederick, I've heard many good comments about that system. You should be pleased. Glad to hear another SAT Station going up in HI. Looks like Grid BK29. GL/73, Bob K8BL On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 09:36:56 PM EDT, Frederick Herrmann frederick_herrmann@makualanichristianacademy.com wrote:
Greetings! I am new here. I teach high school at Makua Lani Christian Academy in Kailua-Kona, Hawaii. We are building a ground station. Our plan is to purchase the M2 LEO Pack through AMSAT. Any advice you'd like to send my way, I'd be grateful.- Frederick
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 3:28 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Hi Joe, Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully, Clint K6LCS can includesome of these suggestions that I have picked up over the yearsfrom many long-time Satellite users. Whatever steps can be takento alleviate the chaos and mayhem on many FM SAT passes shouldbe considered. TNX/73, Bob K8BL
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 07:13:02 PM EDT, Joseph Fouquet n5jf@att.net wrote:
Great suggestion Bob and thanks. Joe N5JF
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
...Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures ...
I have during each and every one of my125+ shows so far. Clint K6LCS
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Clint K6LCS, Since the regular users of the FM SATs have not seen any improvement inthe chaos and mayhem in the daily Operating Procedures, you may wantto consider additional emphasis or a different approach. After many years ofSatellite use from home and roving I offer these suggestions for improvement. 1 - Remind new & seasoned users that the FM SATS are virtually the same as the terrestrial FM Repeaters that many are used to using. And, that only one signal can be properly processed at a time. It is only ONE Channel and must be shared. 2 - Transmissions need to be short since there is only a minimal time that the SATs are visible during a pass and many folks desire to use them. 3 - Always allow a QSO in progress to be completed before transmitting. 4 - Due to fading and noise and distortion, signals often are not copied clearly. It's best to use phonetics since several letters sound similar and multiple repeats can take up valuable time during passes. GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 05:31:48 PM EDT, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
...Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures ...
I have during each and every one of my125+ shows so far. Clint K6LCS
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 05:26:30 PM EDT, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS, Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures so that the chaosand mayhem that is experienced daily on the FM Satellites can, hopefully,be abated. This needs to be stressed for new users. Please have them visualizean FM Repeater in the sky and how only one user at a time can operatethrough its ONE Channel. One must allow an existing QSO to be completedbefore someone tries to begin another one. Try to keep transmissions short.Use phonetics since many letters sound like others. TNX/73, Bob K8BL On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 04:03:14 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Q. Do you publish a recording of your satellite presentation?
A. There are a few videos of my presentation out there ... on convention or club sites. But there's a couple of reasons I do not publish one myself …
1. Each of my shows is very-much-personalized for its audience. There are 15-19 "sldes" that are audience-specific that get changed. It would just be weird to have you listen to club-specific information for someone else's club!
2. Like books on many topics, once they are published, they are outdated. And so are these satellite presentations. Timely information I give tonight regarding ISS operations and "current status" of some satellites will change and might NOT be current next week - as life goes on.
SO ... As you cruise the 'Net for satellite information, make sure the sites you bookmark respect you enough to DATE THEIR INFORMATION! A Scout leader called me up a couple years ago after a Field Day, and was irritated that he was not able to work AO-51 for his large gathering. He had cruised the 'Net and found "Easy Sats to Work!" info for AO-51 - and set up his equipment for AO-51. Well, AO-51 passed away / ceased operating 11/29/2011. But that Web site he used didn't tell its visitors that: It was a OLD article, current when it was originally published …
Clint Bradford K6LCS AMSAT Ambassador, ARRL registered instructor www.work-sat.com (909) 999-SATS (7287)
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Clint K6LCS, These are suggestions from many long-time and actual usersof the FM SATs. Following them would help alleviate the chaosand mayhem often taking place during most evening and weekendpasses. Do you plan to include all/any of them in your presentations? Do youreject any/all of them? Which ones do you plan to include and/orreject for consideration? Do you think any of them are worthwhile? Do you not accept/consider suggestions? Do you not appreciateregular and long-time users offering suggestions? Do you feel thatfellow AMSAT Members are welcome to offer suggestions? Are yourfellow AMSAT Members out of line when offering suggestions? It wouldappear that you are not open to suggestions since you are dismissivewhen they are offered. One would think that an AMSAT Ambassadorwould be open and receptive and welcoming to suggestions. Yet, youobviously convey the opposite impression. TNX/73, Bob K8BL
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 11:44:38 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Again, Bob, I need to alter nothing in my presentations - they have always included proper op techniques. All 125+ of 'em.
Clint K6LCS
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 09:22:21 PM EDT, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS, Since the regular users of the FM SATs have not seen any improvement inthe chaos and mayhem in the daily Operating Procedures, you may wantto consider additional emphasis or a different approach. After many years ofSatellite use from home and roving I offer these suggestions for improvement. 1 - Remind new & seasoned users that the FM SATS are virtually the same as the terrestrial FM Repeaters that many are used to using. And, that only one signal can be properly processed at a time. It is only ONE Channel and must be shared. 2 - Transmissions need to be short since there is only a minimal time that the SATs are visible during a pass and many folks desire to use them. 3 - Always allow a QSO in progress to be completed before transmitting. 4 - Due to fading and noise and distortion, signals often are not copied clearly. It's best to use phonetics since several letters sound similar and multiple repeats can take up valuable time during passes. GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 05:31:48 PM EDT, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
...Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures ...
I have during each and every one of my125+ shows so far. Clint K6LCS
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 05:26:30 PM EDT, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS, Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures so that the chaosand mayhem that is experienced daily on the FM Satellites can, hopefully,be abated. This needs to be stressed for new users. Please have them visualizean FM Repeater in the sky and how only one user at a time can operatethrough its ONE Channel. One must allow an existing QSO to be completedbefore someone tries to begin another one. Try to keep transmissions short.Use phonetics since many letters sound like others. TNX/73, Bob K8BL On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 04:03:14 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Q. Do you publish a recording of your satellite presentation?
A. There are a few videos of my presentation out there ... on convention or club sites. But there's a couple of reasons I do not publish one myself …
1. Each of my shows is very-much-personalized for its audience. There are 15-19 "sldes" that are audience-specific that get changed. It would just be weird to have you listen to club-specific information for someone else's club!
2. Like books on many topics, once they are published, they are outdated. And so are these satellite presentations. Timely information I give tonight regarding ISS operations and "current status" of some satellites will change and might NOT be current next week - as life goes on.
SO ... As you cruise the 'Net for satellite information, make sure the sites you bookmark respect you enough to DATE THEIR INFORMATION! A Scout leader called me up a couple years ago after a Field Day, and was irritated that he was not able to work AO-51 for his large gathering. He had cruised the 'Net and found "Easy Sats to Work!" info for AO-51 - and set up his equipment for AO-51. Well, AO-51 passed away / ceased operating 11/29/2011. But that Web site he used didn't tell its visitors that: It was a OLD article, current when it was originally published …
Clint Bradford K6LCS AMSAT Ambassador, ARRL registered instructor www.work-sat.com (909) 999-SATS (7287)
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For the third time today, Bob, there is nothing you have suggested that hasn't been included in all my presentations.
Scores of AMSAT members have been among the thousands who have attended. The only "complaints" have come from two people. These two - as far as I can tell - have NEVER attended any of my presentations.
You can attend a show ... I can keep a spot open for you. And after attending, others would give your opinions and suggestions more weight when you can actually say you know what you are talking about, and offer objective suggestions. Here's a couple upcoming dates - accommodating different times in the evenings:
September 16, 4pm Pacific September 1, 7pm Pacific
Clint K6LCS Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:25 PM, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS,
These are suggestions from many long-time and actual users of the FM SATs. Following them would help alleviate the chaos and mayhem often taking place during most evening and weekend passes.
Do you plan to include all/any of them in your presentations? Do you reject any/all of them? Which ones do you plan to include and/or reject for consideration? Do you think any of them are worthwhile?
Do you not accept/consider suggestions? Do you not appreciate regular and long-time users offering suggestions? Do you feel that fellow AMSAT Members are welcome to offer suggestions? Are your fellow AMSAT Members out of line when offering suggestions? It would appear that you are not open to suggestions since you are dismissive when they are offered. One would think that an AMSAT Ambassador would be open and receptive and welcoming to suggestions. Yet, you obviously convey the opposite impression.
TNX/73, Bob K8BL
Clint K6LCS, It's just a simple question and merely requires a Yes/No answer. As an AMSAT Ambassador, in order to alleviate the chaos and mayhem thatis often experienced on FM Satellites, do you welcome, accept and/or appreciatesuggestions/comments from experienced/active fellow AMSAT Members aspossible inclusions into your Presentations that would/could improve the SATUsers' experience? YES [ ] NO [ ] TNX/73, Bob K8BL
On Monday, August 23, 2021, 01:20:50 AM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
For the third time today, Bob, there is nothing you have suggested that hasn't been included in all my presentations. Scores of AMSAT members have been among the thousands who have attended. The only "complaints" have come from two people. These two - as far as I can tell - have NEVER attended any of my presentations. You can attend a show ... I can keep a spot open for you. And after attending, others would give your opinions and suggestions more weight when you can actually say you know what you are talking about, and offer objective suggestions. Here's a couple upcoming dates - accommodating different times in the evenings: September 16, 4pm PacificSeptember 1, 7pm Pacific
Clint K6LCSSent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:25 PM, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS, These are suggestions from many long-time and actual usersof the FM SATs. Following them would help alleviate the chaosand mayhem often taking place during most evening and weekendpasses. Do you plan to include all/any of them in your presentations? Do youreject any/all of them? Which ones do you plan to include and/orreject for consideration? Do you think any of them are worthwhile? Do you not accept/consider suggestions? Do you not appreciateregular and long-time users offering suggestions? Do you feel thatfellow AMSAT Members are welcome to offer suggestions? Are yourfellow AMSAT Members out of line when offering suggestions? It wouldappear that you are not open to suggestions since you are dismissivewhen they are offered. One would think that an AMSAT Ambassadorwould be open and receptive and welcoming to suggestions. Yet, youobviously convey the opposite impression. TNX/73, Bob K8BL
On Monday, August 23, 2021, 12:25:23 AM EDT, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS, These are suggestions from many long-time and actual usersof the FM SATs. Following them would help alleviate the chaosand mayhem often taking place during most evening and weekendpasses. Do you plan to include all/any of them in your presentations? Do youreject any/all of them? Which ones do you plan to include and/orreject for consideration? Do you think any of them are worthwhile? Do you not accept/consider suggestions? Do you not appreciateregular and long-time users offering suggestions? Do you feel thatfellow AMSAT Members are welcome to offer suggestions? Are yourfellow AMSAT Members out of line when offering suggestions? It wouldappear that you are not open to suggestions since you are dismissivewhen they are offered. One would think that an AMSAT Ambassadorwould be open and receptive and welcoming to suggestions. Yet, youobviously convey the opposite impression. TNX/73, Bob K8BL
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 11:44:38 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Again, Bob, I need to alter nothing in my presentations - they have always included proper op techniques. All 125+ of 'em.
Clint K6LCS
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 09:22:21 PM EDT, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS, Since the regular users of the FM SATs have not seen any improvement inthe chaos and mayhem in the daily Operating Procedures, you may wantto consider additional emphasis or a different approach. After many years ofSatellite use from home and roving I offer these suggestions for improvement. 1 - Remind new & seasoned users that the FM SATS are virtually the same as the terrestrial FM Repeaters that many are used to using. And, that only one signal can be properly processed at a time. It is only ONE Channel and must be shared. 2 - Transmissions need to be short since there is only a minimal time that the SATs are visible during a pass and many folks desire to use them. 3 - Always allow a QSO in progress to be completed before transmitting. 4 - Due to fading and noise and distortion, signals often are not copied clearly. It's best to use phonetics since several letters sound similar and multiple repeats can take up valuable time during passes. GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 05:31:48 PM EDT, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
...Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures ...
I have during each and every one of my125+ shows so far. Clint K6LCS
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 05:26:30 PM EDT, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Clint K6LCS, Please emphasize proper Amateur Operating Procedures so that the chaosand mayhem that is experienced daily on the FM Satellites can, hopefully,be abated. This needs to be stressed for new users. Please have them visualizean FM Repeater in the sky and how only one user at a time can operatethrough its ONE Channel. One must allow an existing QSO to be completedbefore someone tries to begin another one. Try to keep transmissions short.Use phonetics since many letters sound like others. TNX/73, Bob K8BL On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 04:03:14 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Q. Do you publish a recording of your satellite presentation?
A. There are a few videos of my presentation out there ... on convention or club sites. But there's a couple of reasons I do not publish one myself …
1. Each of my shows is very-much-personalized for its audience. There are 15-19 "sldes" that are audience-specific that get changed. It would just be weird to have you listen to club-specific information for someone else's club!
2. Like books on many topics, once they are published, they are outdated. And so are these satellite presentations. Timely information I give tonight regarding ISS operations and "current status" of some satellites will change and might NOT be current next week - as life goes on.
SO ... As you cruise the 'Net for satellite information, make sure the sites you bookmark respect you enough to DATE THEIR INFORMATION! A Scout leader called me up a couple years ago after a Field Day, and was irritated that he was not able to work AO-51 for his large gathering. He had cruised the 'Net and found "Easy Sats to Work!" info for AO-51 - and set up his equipment for AO-51. Well, AO-51 passed away / ceased operating 11/29/2011. But that Web site he used didn't tell its visitors that: It was a OLD article, current when it was originally published …
Clint Bradford K6LCS AMSAT Ambassador, ARRL registered instructor www.work-sat.com (909) 999-SATS (7287)
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For the fourth time in 24 hours, Bob, there is nothing you have suggested that hasn't been included in all my presentations ...
Clint Bradford K6LCS
I am so out of here….someone let me know when we get back to talking about satellites…
KLØS
On Aug 23, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
For the fourth time in 24 hours, Bob, there is nothing you have suggested that hasn't been included in all my presentations ...
Clint Bradford K6LCS
I would like to put my two cents worth into this discussion. I have listened to Clint's presentation and he DOES stress good satellite operating procedures. All of what Bob suggested is already in the presentation. With that being said, rudeness is out there in ham radioland. Tune into any contest to hear rudeness. Same for special event stations. Yes, some people are rude on the satellites. Look up their call sign on QRZ and you will see that some of them are seasoned operators who should know better. Rude people are going to step on anyone they can to make a contact. Remember "Winning is everything." It's a sad fact of life, but not Clint's fault. He does try to stress proper operation. There are rude, selfish people and disruptors out there. Brad Smith KC9UQR
Brad, 1 - The chaos and mayhem on the FM SATS continues unabated. 2 - Because of Clint's Presentations, new users are added and proper operating procedure are often not followed. 3 - That brings into question whether the Presentations are adequate and/or need tweaking or more emphasis. 4 - Suggestions from experienced/active AMSAT Members are rejected and/or ignored out-of-hand and appear to be unwelcome. Those are my two cents. 73, Bob K8BL
On Monday, August 23, 2021, 11:37:17 AM EDT, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I would like to put my two cents worth into this discussion. I have listened to Clint's presentation and he DOES stress good satellite operating procedures. All of what Bob suggested is already in the presentation. With that being said, rudeness is out there in ham radioland. Tune into any contest to hear rudeness. Same for special event stations. Yes, some people are rude on the satellites. Look up their call sign on QRZ and you will see that some of them are seasoned operators who should know better. Rude people are going to step on anyone they can to make a contact. Remember "Winning is everything." It's a sad fact of life, but not Clint's fault. He does try to stress proper operation. There are rude, selfish people and disruptors out there. Brad Smith KC9UQR -----------------------------------------------------------
You seem to be blaming the chaos on FM sats on Clint and/or his presentations. That is just bizarre thinking. Clint can not possibly be responsible for the behavior of everyone on the FM sats. Even if Clint gave his presentation to everyone that has ever used an FM sat, he is still not responsible for the operator's behavior. Maybe you want to volunteer to give "better" presentations that will cure all of our ills. Here's your two cents back. Keep it. Steve AI9IN ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Liddy (K8BL) (k8bl@ameritech.net) Date: 08/23/21 12:20 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org, Brad Smith (corlissbs@aol.com) Subject: [AMSAT-BB] Re: K6LCS Sat Presentations
Brad, 1 - The chaos and mayhem on the FM SATS continues unabated. 2 - Because of Clint's Presentations, new users are added and proper operating procedure are often not followed. 3 - That brings into question whether the Presentations are adequate and/or need tweaking or more emphasis. 4 - Suggestions from experienced/active AMSAT Members are rejected and/or ignored out-of-hand and appear to be unwelcome. Those are my two cents. 73, Bob K8BL
I have been subscribed to AMSAT-BB for just about a week. I had done so in an effort to get some help with linear mode control functions of SatPC32 and a FT-847 so I might continue operating the satellite station of a recent SK. Watching this thread and the, as someone called them, "bizarre" comments posted by some is causing me to have second thoughts.
I have made but a handful of QSOs on FM satellites and, so far, no QSOs on linear modes due to a lack of comprehension on the part of the operator so my presence from EN18 has had no real impact. I will continue to gain experience with FM satellites from both the fixed station and a portable station in an effort to provide EN18/27/28/29 for those who need them. I'll see about revisiting AMSAT-BB at a later date.
Thank you, Brad.
Say - any time you get tired of the model cubesat you contributed to AMSAT Engineering for and want to loan it to the West Coast for a while, lemme know ...
Clint K6LCS
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On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:37 AM, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
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