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Re: KEP 09183 PROBLEM
by GW1FKY＠aol.com 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

Hi, The keps obtained from the BBS today loaded and worked OK with SATPC32. However for some other software such as "ORBITRON" and SATSCAPE were I stripped out the header and footer I did run into a rather strange problem. These programmes would not list all of the satellites in the menu to tick for selection, I checked my source file was still OK and correct - unable to sort out the problem. I had saved my original and they loaded OK !!! Ken Eaton GW1FKY

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sorry...old 6/25/09 keps without all the garbage
by Roger Kolakowski 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORB09176.N 2Line Orbital Elements 09176.AMSAT HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES IN NASA FORMAT FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX June 25, 2009 Send Subscribe/unsubscribe to KEPS at http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/keps BID: ORB09176.N DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY: 1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ 2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT AO-07 1 07530U 74089B 09175.75015012 -.00000027 00000-0 10000-3 0 5121 2 07530 101.4266 200.1487 0011548 253.4118 106.5685 12.53575790583665 FO-29 1 24278U 96046B 09175.76747098 -.00000037 00000-0 50709-6 0 00863 2 24278 098.5539 048.7848 0350587 330.9181 027.2821 13.52944157634776 SO-33 1 25509U 98061B 09175.88466058 .00000381 00000-0 65939-4 0 04849 2 25509 031.4322 008.9480 0354276 045.8279 317.0947 14.28254882556932 RS-22 1 27939U 03042A 09175.58345773 .00000153 00000-0 38391-4 0 08247 2 27939 097.9444 050.1848 0014639 107.5940 252.6873 14.63325076306654 VO-52 1 28650U 05017B 09175.34334044 .00000376 00000-0 54172-4 0 02577 2 28650 097.7424 236.6888 0027183 008.8245 351.3438 14.81596988223705 AO-16 1 20439U 90005D 09175.47168576 -.00000018 00000-0 85527-5 0 06357 2 20439 098.2785 143.5419 0011258 144.6504 215.5414 14.31826786014190 LO-19 1 20442U 90005G 09175.45760117 .00000021 00000-0 22821-4 0 05559 2 20442 098.2408 150.7636 0012428 141.9606 218.2471 14.32062565014359 AO-27 1 22825U 93061C 09175.56625056 -.00000100 00000-0 -22655-4 0 02759 2 22825 098.4363 128.7578 0007725 237.6929 122.3504 14.29267387820962 IO-26 1 22826U 93061D 09176.74504781 -.00000019 00000-0 90005-5 0 23 2 22826 098.4300 130.6439 0008091 232.0525 127.9928 14.29519950821238 GO-32 1 25397U 98043D 09175.73599878 .00000118 00000-0 70396-4 0 09278 2 25397 098.3262 197.6718 0000667 180.5458 179.5710 14.23160891569204 NO-44 1 26931U 01043C 09175.70042414 .00000090 00000-0 67347-4 0 02020 2 26931 067.0532 044.9895 0005659 272.6391 087.4033 14.29560557403657 SO-50 1 27607U 02058C 09175.52809685 -.00000083 00000-0 91958-5 0 09182 2 27607 064.5582 002.7936 0066368 204.0590 155.7400 14.71442765349751 CO-55 1 27844U 03031E 09176.72554986 .00000011 00000-0 25192-4 0 6083 2 27844 098.7127 185.7703 0010937 115.9668 244.2612 14.20643376310470 CO-57 1 27848U 03031J 09175.57723077 .00000018 00000-0 28635-4 0 5551 2 27848 098.7141 183.6982 0010218 121.6656 238.5513 14.20444859310278 AO-51 1 28375U 04025K 09176.57690259 .00000003 00000-0 13263-4 0 4214 2 28375 098.0512 185.6902 0084770 099.1173 261.9616 14.40645546262166 CO-56 1 28941U 06005C 09176.55364702 .00065207 40470-5 20794-3 0 1975 2 28941 098.1393 352.5601 0082223 101.0558 259.9954 15.85707484188579 GENESAT1 1 29655U 06058C 09175.96435867 .00007422 00000-0 74015-4 0 07462 2 29655 040.0233 134.5766 0002092 231.9162 128.1467 15.65742955143691 CP3 1 31129U 07012N 09176.71624616 .00000102 00000-0 34509-4 0 182 2 31129 097.9885 229.3834 0101257 258.7852 100.1941 14.52141115116120 CO-65 1 32785U 08021C 09176.70268926 .00000096 00000-0 19000-4 0 4005 2 32785 097.9453 240.5990 0015235 008.3830 351.7612 14.81493670 62704 KKS-1 1 33493U 09002B 09176.88419017 .00000186 00000-0 31251-4 0 5081 2 33493 098.0580 289.1313 0019414 210.4079 149.6019 14.80688384 22759 SOHLA-1 1 33496U 09002E 09176.83034283 .00000002 00000-0 85078-5 0 4709 2 33496 098.0391 286.0037 0005305 254.2821 105.7805 14.69437775 22542 NOAA-10 1 16969U 86073A 09175.72772319 .00000084 00000-0 52192-4 0 06649 2 16969 098.6905 202.3341 0012293 171.0362 189.1022 14.27389512184583 NOAA-11 1 19531U 88089A 09175.49113686 -.00000001 00000-0 22039-4 0 06777 2 19531 098.7869 265.3322 0012413 089.4171 270.8423 14.14897749070559 NOAA-12 1 21263U 91032A 09175.96824484 .00000005 00000-0 20866-4 0 01898 2 21263 098.7709 184.0309 0013207 120.1820 240.0669 14.25583101941504 MET-3/5 1 21655U 91056A 09175.97408281 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 07247 2 21655 082.5516 200.9922 0013420 155.9174 204.2578 13.17019186858651 MET-2/21 1 22782U 93055A 09175.55519873 .00000031 00000-0 14802-4 0 04941 2 22782 082.5466 176.1630 0021530 329.9082 030.0833 13.83635925798626 OKEAN-4 1 23317U 94066A 09175.72556791 .00000072 00000-0 59111-5 0 09446 2 23317 082.5393 327.4493 0021923 344.4490 015.6042 14.82704198793488 NOAA-14 1 23455U 94089A 09175.74336266 -.00000102 00000-0 -30207-4 0 06671 2 23455 098.9099 253.3970 0009753 164.3299 195.8158 14.13764053746998 NOAA-15 1 25338U 98030A 09175.56723357 .00000231 00000-0 11762-3 0 09807 2 25338 098.5834 164.6118 0011417 041.4774 318.7265 14.24769101577824 RESURS 1 25394U 98043A 09176.66111299 -.00000005 00000-0 15515-4 0 2456 2 25394 098.3403 208.5784 0001243 145.6858 214.4401 14.24184484569605 FENGYUN1 1 25730U 99025A 09175.95755151 -.00000296 00000-0 -14902-3 0 07909 2 25730 098.7559 145.8910 0019535 193.1400 166.9258 14.07910508521416 OKEAN-0 1 25860U 99039A 09176.52362912 -.00000001 00000-0 71323-5 0 7131 2 25860 097.7858 157.3718 0001574 101.9779 258.1597 14.73577805534376 NOAA-16 1 26536U 00055A 09175.51746078 -.00000240 00000-0 -10443-3 0 04574 2 26536 099.1751 179.3604 0009521 260.3387 099.6709 14.12521443451335 NOAA-17 1 27453U 02032A 09175.72931123 -.00000104 00000-0 -27140-4 0 04639 2 27453 098.4841 234.5396 0012832 101.2955 258.9659 14.24071269363820 NOAA-18 1 28654U 05018A 09175.77495941 -.00000064 00000-0 -10703-4 0 09523 2 28654 098.9075 118.9557 0014109 346.1912 013.8898 14.11264390211026 NOAA-19 1 33591U 09005A 09175.75659977 .00000369 00000-0 22915-3 0 01556 2 33591 098.7461 121.3211 0013431 218.6593 141.3620 14.10967917019502 HUBBLE 1 20580U 90037B 09174.09806668 .00000242 00000-0 57594-5 0 04110 2 20580 028.4694 063.7168 0003244 344.9911 015.0591 15.00810340850742 ISS 1 25544U 98067A 09176.70194252 .00010931 00000-0 79349-4 0 1041 2 25544 051.6411 263.1881 0008223 149.5961 346.7696 15.73976504607291 CO-58 1 28895U 05043F 09175.67237911 .00000208 00000-0 52977-4 0 03349 2 28895 098.0614 066.0811 0017335 327.9567 032.0595 14.59777232194827 FALCON 1 30776U 07006E 09176.79940574 .00000135 00000-0 12811-4 0 5985 2 30776 035.4341 047.1578 0001895 326.8877 033.1725 15.03259636126393 MAST 1 31126U 07012K 09175.60683167 .00000091 00000-0 31516-4 0 06269 2 31126 097.9878 230.0731 0093481 256.9784 102.0982 14.53502988116112 CAPE1 1 31130U 07012P 09176.82442862 .00000109 00000-0 36264-4 0 6326 2 31130 097.9885 229.3960 0101343 258.2616 100.7188 14.52066525115940 COMPASS 1 32787U 08021E 09176.81388957 .00000337 00000-0 49540-4 0 3926 2 32787 097.9420 240.5656 0016079 008.8095 351.3396 14.81617948 62727 AAUSAT2 1 32788U 08021F 09175.63305491 .00000324 00000-0 47758-4 0 03978 2 32788 097.9405 239.4526 0015832 013.9132 346.2550 14.81740836062558 DO-64 1 32789U 08021G 09176.73525739 .00000223 00000-0 35028-4 0 4033 2 32789 097.9472 240.7144 0016099 008.4001 351.7477 14.81728343 62710 CO-66 1 32791U 08021J 09176.85771567 -.00000022 00000-0 39697-5 0 3855 2 32791 097.9446 240.6417 0016252 007.2815 352.8608 14.81445218 62699 RS-30 1 32953U 08025A 09175.75582124 .00000010 00000-0 00000-0 0 03392 2 32953 082.5011 251.9048 0019640 158.5884 201.6028 12.43001863049335 TACSAT-3 1 35001U 09028A 09175.93379220 .00000878 00000-0 28137-4 0 00398 2 35001 040.4546 194.3312 0025115 222.1467 137.7416 15.38854406005542 PHARMSAT 1 35002U 09028B 09175.46165344 .00000788 00000-0 25273-4 0 00395 2 35002 040.4677 196.9365 0027767 222.7881 137.0772 15.39623457005465 HAWKSAT1 1 35003U 09028C 09174.48276175 .00000576 00000-0 19942-4 0 00382 2 35003 040.4696 202.7207 0028682 217.3307 142.5515 15.39876872005320 CP6 1 35004U 09028D 09176.16548937 .00001922 00000-0 52153-4 0 295 2 35004 040.4601 192.5592 0028371 231.4161 128.4108 15.40085915 5570 AEROCUB3 1 35005U 09028E 09175.71597130 .00001954 00000-0 53235-4 0 00304 2 35005 040.4761 195.3626 0028388 225.3310 134.5197 15.39903107005502 /EX _______________________________________________ Via the Keps mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/keps

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Fw: [keps] orb09176.2l.amsat - old keps
by Roger Kolakowski 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

Old keps 6/25/09 Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hoad" <r.hoad(a)att.net> To: "AMSAT KEP" <keps(a)amsat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:29 PM Subject: [keps] orb09176.2l.amsat > SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORB09176.N > 2Line Orbital Elements 09176.AMSAT > > HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES IN NASA FORMAT > FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX June 25, 2009 > Send Subscribe/unsubscribe to KEPS at > http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/keps > BID: ORB09176.N > > DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY: > 1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ > 2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ > KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN > G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM > > TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT > > AO-07 > 1 07530U 74089B 09175.75015012 -.00000027 00000-0 10000-3 0 5121 > 2 07530 101.4266 200.1487 0011548 253.4118 106.5685 12.53575790583665 > FO-29 > 1 24278U 96046B 09175.76747098 -.00000037 00000-0 50709-6 0 00863 > 2 24278 098.5539 048.7848 0350587 330.9181 027.2821 13.52944157634776 > SO-33 > 1 25509U 98061B 09175.88466058 .00000381 00000-0 65939-4 0 04849 > 2 25509 031.4322 008.9480 0354276 045.8279 317.0947 14.28254882556932 > RS-22 > 1 27939U 03042A 09175.58345773 .00000153 00000-0 38391-4 0 08247 > 2 27939 097.9444 050.1848 0014639 107.5940 252.6873 14.63325076306654 > VO-52 > 1 28650U 05017B 09175.34334044 .00000376 00000-0 54172-4 0 02577 > 2 28650 097.7424 236.6888 0027183 008.8245 351.3438 14.81596988223705 > AO-16 > 1 20439U 90005D 09175.47168576 -.00000018 00000-0 85527-5 0 06357 > 2 20439 098.2785 143.5419 0011258 144.6504 215.5414 14.31826786014190 > LO-19 > 1 20442U 90005G 09175.45760117 .00000021 00000-0 22821-4 0 05559 > 2 20442 098.2408 150.7636 0012428 141.9606 218.2471 14.32062565014359 > AO-27 > 1 22825U 93061C 09175.56625056 -.00000100 00000-0 -22655-4 0 02759 > 2 22825 098.4363 128.7578 0007725 237.6929 122.3504 14.29267387820962 > IO-26 > 1 22826U 93061D 09176.74504781 -.00000019 00000-0 90005-5 0 23 > 2 22826 098.4300 130.6439 0008091 232.0525 127.9928 14.29519950821238 > GO-32 > 1 25397U 98043D 09175.73599878 .00000118 00000-0 70396-4 0 09278 > 2 25397 098.3262 197.6718 0000667 180.5458 179.5710 14.23160891569204 > NO-44 > 1 26931U 01043C 09175.70042414 .00000090 00000-0 67347-4 0 02020 > 2 26931 067.0532 044.9895 0005659 272.6391 087.4033 14.29560557403657 > SO-50 > 1 27607U 02058C 09175.52809685 -.00000083 00000-0 91958-5 0 09182 > 2 27607 064.5582 002.7936 0066368 204.0590 155.7400 14.71442765349751 > CO-55 > 1 27844U 03031E 09176.72554986 .00000011 00000-0 25192-4 0 6083 > 2 27844 098.7127 185.7703 0010937 115.9668 244.2612 14.20643376310470 > CO-57 > 1 27848U 03031J 09175.57723077 .00000018 00000-0 28635-4 0 5551 > 2 27848 098.7141 183.6982 0010218 121.6656 238.5513 14.20444859310278 > AO-51 > 1 28375U 04025K 09176.57690259 .00000003 00000-0 13263-4 0 4214 > 2 28375 098.0512 185.6902 0084770 099.1173 261.9616 14.40645546262166 > CO-56 > 1 28941U 06005C 09176.55364702 .00065207 40470-5 20794-3 0 1975 > 2 28941 098.1393 352.5601 0082223 101.0558 259.9954 15.85707484188579 > GENESAT1 > 1 29655U 06058C 09175.96435867 .00007422 00000-0 74015-4 0 07462 > 2 29655 040.0233 134.5766 0002092 231.9162 128.1467 15.65742955143691 > CP3 > 1 31129U 07012N 09176.71624616 .00000102 00000-0 34509-4 0 182 > 2 31129 097.9885 229.3834 0101257 258.7852 100.1941 14.52141115116120 > CO-65 > 1 32785U 08021C 09176.70268926 .00000096 00000-0 19000-4 0 4005 > 2 32785 097.9453 240.5990 0015235 008.3830 351.7612 14.81493670 62704 > KKS-1 > 1 33493U 09002B 09176.88419017 .00000186 00000-0 31251-4 0 5081 > 2 33493 098.0580 289.1313 0019414 210.4079 149.6019 14.80688384 22759 > SOHLA-1 > 1 33496U 09002E 09176.83034283 .00000002 00000-0 85078-5 0 4709 > 2 33496 098.0391 286.0037 0005305 254.2821 105.7805 14.69437775 22542 > NOAA-10 > 1 16969U 86073A 09175.72772319 .00000084 00000-0 52192-4 0 06649 > 2 16969 098.6905 202.3341 0012293 171.0362 189.1022 14.27389512184583 > NOAA-11 > 1 19531U 88089A 09175.49113686 -.00000001 00000-0 22039-4 0 06777 > 2 19531 098.7869 265.3322 0012413 089.4171 270.8423 14.14897749070559 > NOAA-12 > 1 21263U 91032A 09175.96824484 .00000005 00000-0 20866-4 0 01898 > 2 21263 098.7709 184.0309 0013207 120.1820 240.0669 14.25583101941504 > MET-3/5 > 1 21655U 91056A 09175.97408281 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 07247 > 2 21655 082.5516 200.9922 0013420 155.9174 204.2578 13.17019186858651 > MET-2/21 > 1 22782U 93055A 09175.55519873 .00000031 00000-0 14802-4 0 04941 > 2 22782 082.5466 176.1630 0021530 329.9082 030.0833 13.83635925798626 > OKEAN-4 > 1 23317U 94066A 09175.72556791 .00000072 00000-0 59111-5 0 09446 > 2 23317 082.5393 327.4493 0021923 344.4490 015.6042 14.82704198793488 > NOAA-14 > 1 23455U 94089A 09175.74336266 -.00000102 00000-0 -30207-4 0 06671 > 2 23455 098.9099 253.3970 0009753 164.3299 195.8158 14.13764053746998 > NOAA-15 > 1 25338U 98030A 09175.56723357 .00000231 00000-0 11762-3 0 09807 > 2 25338 098.5834 164.6118 0011417 041.4774 318.7265 14.24769101577824 > RESURS > 1 25394U 98043A 09176.66111299 -.00000005 00000-0 15515-4 0 2456 > 2 25394 098.3403 208.5784 0001243 145.6858 214.4401 14.24184484569605 > FENGYUN1 > 1 25730U 99025A 09175.95755151 -.00000296 00000-0 -14902-3 0 07909 > 2 25730 098.7559 145.8910 0019535 193.1400 166.9258 14.07910508521416 > OKEAN-0 > 1 25860U 99039A 09176.52362912 -.00000001 00000-0 71323-5 0 7131 > 2 25860 097.7858 157.3718 0001574 101.9779 258.1597 14.73577805534376 > NOAA-16 > 1 26536U 00055A 09175.51746078 -.00000240 00000-0 -10443-3 0 04574 > 2 26536 099.1751 179.3604 0009521 260.3387 099.6709 14.12521443451335 > NOAA-17 > 1 27453U 02032A 09175.72931123 -.00000104 00000-0 -27140-4 0 04639 > 2 27453 098.4841 234.5396 0012832 101.2955 258.9659 14.24071269363820 > NOAA-18 > 1 28654U 05018A 09175.77495941 -.00000064 00000-0 -10703-4 0 09523 > 2 28654 098.9075 118.9557 0014109 346.1912 013.8898 14.11264390211026 > NOAA-19 > 1 33591U 09005A 09175.75659977 .00000369 00000-0 22915-3 0 01556 > 2 33591 098.7461 121.3211 0013431 218.6593 141.3620 14.10967917019502 > HUBBLE > 1 20580U 90037B 09174.09806668 .00000242 00000-0 57594-5 0 04110 > 2 20580 028.4694 063.7168 0003244 344.9911 015.0591 15.00810340850742 > ISS > 1 25544U 98067A 09176.70194252 .00010931 00000-0 79349-4 0 1041 > 2 25544 051.6411 263.1881 0008223 149.5961 346.7696 15.73976504607291 > CO-58 > 1 28895U 05043F 09175.67237911 .00000208 00000-0 52977-4 0 03349 > 2 28895 098.0614 066.0811 0017335 327.9567 032.0595 14.59777232194827 > FALCON > 1 30776U 07006E 09176.79940574 .00000135 00000-0 12811-4 0 5985 > 2 30776 035.4341 047.1578 0001895 326.8877 033.1725 15.03259636126393 > MAST > 1 31126U 07012K 09175.60683167 .00000091 00000-0 31516-4 0 06269 > 2 31126 097.9878 230.0731 0093481 256.9784 102.0982 14.53502988116112 > CAPE1 > 1 31130U 07012P 09176.82442862 .00000109 00000-0 36264-4 0 6326 > 2 31130 097.9885 229.3960 0101343 258.2616 100.7188 14.52066525115940 > COMPASS > 1 32787U 08021E 09176.81388957 .00000337 00000-0 49540-4 0 3926 > 2 32787 097.9420 240.5656 0016079 008.8095 351.3396 14.81617948 62727 > AAUSAT2 > 1 32788U 08021F 09175.63305491 .00000324 00000-0 47758-4 0 03978 > 2 32788 097.9405 239.4526 0015832 013.9132 346.2550 14.81740836062558 > DO-64 > 1 32789U 08021G 09176.73525739 .00000223 00000-0 35028-4 0 4033 > 2 32789 097.9472 240.7144 0016099 008.4001 351.7477 14.81728343 62710 > CO-66 > 1 32791U 08021J 09176.85771567 -.00000022 00000-0 39697-5 0 3855 > 2 32791 097.9446 240.6417 0016252 007.2815 352.8608 14.81445218 62699 > RS-30 > 1 32953U 08025A 09175.75582124 .00000010 00000-0 00000-0 0 03392 > 2 32953 082.5011 251.9048 0019640 158.5884 201.6028 12.43001863049335 > TACSAT-3 > 1 35001U 09028A 09175.93379220 .00000878 00000-0 28137-4 0 00398 > 2 35001 040.4546 194.3312 0025115 222.1467 137.7416 15.38854406005542 > PHARMSAT > 1 35002U 09028B 09175.46165344 .00000788 00000-0 25273-4 0 00395 > 2 35002 040.4677 196.9365 0027767 222.7881 137.0772 15.39623457005465 > HAWKSAT1 > 1 35003U 09028C 09174.48276175 .00000576 00000-0 19942-4 0 00382 > 2 35003 040.4696 202.7207 0028682 217.3307 142.5515 15.39876872005320 > CP6 > 1 35004U 09028D 09176.16548937 .00001922 00000-0 52153-4 0 295 > 2 35004 040.4601 192.5592 0028371 231.4161 128.4108 15.40085915 5570 > AEROCUB3 > 1 35005U 09028E 09175.71597130 .00001954 00000-0 53235-4 0 00304 > 2 35005 040.4761 195.3626 0028388 225.3310 134.5197 15.39903107005502 > /EX > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Via the Keps mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA > http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/keps >

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KEP 09183 PROBLEM
by Doug Kuitula 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

Hi all, Looks like there may be a problem with the latest 2 line dated for day 183. I tried inputting them and came up with numerous checksum failures. Has anyone else had the same problem?...........73 de Doug KA8QCU

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AO27 Demonstration during Teachers Institute
by Mark Spencer 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

I will be giving a demonstration of ham radio satellites during the ARRL ETP Teachers Institute in Dayton, Ohio on July 7th. I will be using AO27 and the 1515 EST pass. The equipment will be an ARROW and HT. I will be using the call W1AW/8. If you hear us, please give a shout. For those that make contact, if you would like a QSL, send your card to me, WA8SME, and I'll get you a card. Mark Spencer, WA8SME ARRL-The national association for Amateur Radio Education and Technology Program Coordinator mspencer(a)arrl.org <http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/> http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/ 530-495-9150

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FW: Re: The Moon is our Future
by Dave 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

Could the antenna be a launched in the craft as piece of small, folded reflective plastic that when activated by gas or ??, expands to a dish shape, and becomes a super large plastic large dish? The dish then could be any size we wanted it to be and not be a hindrance to the launch craft size. I've seen these but have trouble no putting my finger on the name. We could make the dish 30ft around and folded it could be 4 inches square. Dave DM78qd // KA0SWT If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners.-- Johnny Carson +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:07 PM To: James French; AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future At 02:30 AM 7/3/2009, James French wrote: >Why not use a L/s, U/L. or a U/s transponder for this? >Why limit ourselves to V/u for everything? >Aren't we supposed to 'experiment' with the higher frequencies we have >allocated? I agree. I believe the Moon is a job for the microwave bands. Antenna gain on both ends is easier to produce (for a fixed dish/array, the Moon end will be gain limited by the need to have the beam cover for the varying position of the Earth due to libration). Comeing up with a method to align the antenna initially will be an interesting challenge. That will have to be automated, even if it's a one off process. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Re: The Moon is our Future
by Jack K. 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

I heard the same things when the first HEOs went up. It takes to much money, it takes to much specialized equipment, it takes to much knowledge, it is for elitists only... The bottom line is a LOT of hams used them and it took some ingenuity, some new equipment, and yes we all had to learn now things to use them. the bottom line is they worked and worked well... My suggestion is quit looking at pitfalls and problems as reasons not to do something, but as opportunities to learn to accomplish new things (or improved communications anyway) and move forward... We can put up all the leos we want, but until someone makes something like B. Bruninga's cell concept work, we are only going to have more of the same, We don't need more of the same! DE - KD1PE ----- Original Message ----- From: <kd8bxp(a)aol.com> To: <bruninga(a)usna.edu>; "'Joe'" <nss(a)mwt.net>; "'MM'" <ka1rrw(a)yahoo.com> Cc: "'Jack K.'" <kd1pe.1(a)gmail.com>; <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>; <kg4zlb(a)gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future > Don't want to get a whole new thing started here but - I don't think we > ever went to the moon in 1969 and I don't think we will ever goto the > moon - in 2012 or whenever they proposed a "return" to the moon > > I would love to see an amatuer repeater on the moon thou - from my > understanding EME is expensive to do, so I think it would leave most of us > out > > Where as and bringing things back around - LEOs are realitive low cost to > use to the normal everyday day > > I will put my two cents in for more LEOs - :-) > > Hey are there any geosynchinze amatuer sats up? >

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FW: Re: The Moon is our Future
by Dave 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

I do not understand and am asking for help understanding, why a long, slow, slingshot path to the moon isn't feasible. We don't need a direct shot, do we, unless we do this all ourselves? If we go with someone else, we ride their mission so it doesn't matter what we want. But for total usefulness, it starts it's mission as a LEO, transitions to an HEO, and then becomes a lander. Three different missions, three different antenna systems, three different opportunities to use it. What's wrong with that concept? Nuc fuel, utilizing a tethered antenna floating above craft held in position by magnetics or coax, but not affixed to craft so that it can be adjusted without affecting the lander. A 4x4x4 plastic sheet for an antenna that when expanded becomes a 20m semi-rigid antenna. Might as well use products already here tied to dreams. This can work albeit slowly. Dave DM78qd // KA0SWT If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners.-- Johnny Carson +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Davis Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:35 AM To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 06:48:51AM -0600, Jack K. wrote: > communications anyway) and move forward... We can put up all the leos > we want, but until someone makes something like B. Bruninga's cell > concept work, we are only going to have more of the same, We don't > need more of the same! I couldn't agree more - we don't need more of the same. If I want to sit back and have a two hour rag-chew with someone on the other side of the planet I will use Skype or my cell phone! Dreaming about what *might* be in space is a fun exercise. Actually doing something about it requires sending things to LEO because reality has dictated that's as far as we can afford to go. How's about we use some of that frustrated *imagineering* to come up with interesting new concepts at LEO? We don't need any more FM repeaters buzzing overhead, but what about more cameras downloading HD images, scientific payloads that monitor the ongoing climate change, payloads to study the Earth's magnetic field, etc. etc. Our own 'Twitter' messaging network from space...? The Apollo 13 creed of "failure is not an option" has completely infected the brains at AMSAT and this list. You want something at HEO or on the moon, cut a check for $15 million dollars and let's get on with it. Been waiting since 1996 for another AO-13 and I am getting too old to keep waiting. AMSAT is becoming completely irrelevant as it strives without success for the impossible mission and exhibits a shocking amount of leadership malfesance as it stubbornly refuses to recognize and adapt to realities in the launch business. I know, I know maybe NEXT year someone rich will die and leave us a boatload of cash. Or the bankrupt US government will suddenly cough up a billion dollars for some orbiting emergency communication system. In the meantime we have to stifle the truth because it might blow yet another *secret* deal that's in the works and *almost* a done deal, so let's not complain publicly and ruin it. Heard the stories, heard the lies, got all the t-shirts and ball caps. Whatever. -- Jeff, KE9V AMSAT-NA member since 1994, Skeptic that we will ever go back to HEO since 2002 _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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ISS Visual Siting over the US
by Bauer, Frank H. (GSFC-5900) 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

All, There will be some outstanding ISS Visual Passes over the US this weekend. See the article link below for more info. I hope the weather in your area will be good for viewing. Enjoy!! 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO http://www.space.com/spacewatch/090630-space-station-spotting.html

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KEP 09183 PROBLEM
by Perry Yantis 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

I had no errors with the new keps but the orbit numbers are wrong, and comparing them with the Amsat online forecasts they are way off. I just wish I hadn't deleted the old set. Perry WB8OTH

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