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arrisat1 no signals/signals
by Bruce 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

I am curious why we need 100 reports that a signal was not heard? Would it not be more beneficial to post nothing unless a signal was actually heard thereby reducing the number of posts to the bb? also, please reply to this message directly so as not to clutter the bb. 73...bruce

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ARISS nothing heard 14:10UTC San Diego
by Scott Rights 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

I could hear a carrier on 145.800 so I was pointed in the right direction ;-) but nothing on 145.950 I was listening last night too (12th UTC date). Scott N6PG

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Nada 0706AM PDT
by Clint Bradford 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Nothing heard 0706AM PDT pass ... Well, at least I know my Keps and PocketSat3 are right on, since I SAW the ISS earlier this morning ... (grin) Spoke with Sacramento and Montana a little while ago on AO-51. No good pass of ISS here (DM13) until 9:56PM PDT. Time to get ready for our Yuri Party tonight! Clint, K6LCS 909-241-7666

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Nothing heard from ARISSat-1
by Satoshi Yasuda 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

I listened until 1221 UTC, but I could not receive the signal in Japan. Satoshi

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ARISSat-1
by Aa4mi＠aol.com 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Monitored from 6:55A ET until 7:20A ET: no signals heard. 73, Carl Zelich, AA4MI, _aa4mi(a)arrl.net_ (mailto:[email protected]) AMSAT Member 36366, _AMSAT_ (http://www.amsat.org/) - The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation _QRZ AA4MI_ (http://www.qrz.com/db/aa4mi)

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ARISSat-1 (-ve copy )
by Nader Omer 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

All, Nothing from ARISSat-1 over Africa during the last two passes!! :-((((( 73.Nader

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SIGHTED, Not Heard
by Clint Bradford 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Saw it at 5:32AM PDT ... But nothing heard on FM. Clint

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ARISSat Battery charging.
by Louis McFadin 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Let me clarify this battery charging issue for ARISSAT. The crew has the capability to charge the battery onboard ISS. The battery is a Russian suit battery. That means they have a certified charger on board. The system was designed such that it's easy to remove the battery and charge it. From what we can tell they elected to not do that. We have very little knowledge as to what the status of ARISSat is. There has been no word from the Russians. If any of the ARISS or AMSAT team has word. It will be published as quickly and as widely as we can do it. On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:22 PM, amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org wrote: > Send AMSAT-BB mailing list submissions to > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > amsat-bb-owner(a)amsat.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AMSAT-BB digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: AMSAT Logo (Zachary Beougher) > 2. Lets get it right! (n4csitwo(a)bellsouth.net) > 3. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Scott Rights) > 4. Space-Flute Duet (Clint Bradford) > 5. ARISSat-1 (-ve copy ) (Nader Omer) > 6. Re: The Need for Phonetics (i8cvs) > 7. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Luc Leblanc) > 8. Re: Fwd: Re: ARRISAT Initial xmsn//Pass#1 @0712AK=nada > (Eric Thompson) > 9. Re: ARRISSat Reception 14.45 UTC (Edward R. Cole) > 10. ARISSat-1 nothing over ITALY (Giulio P. AOL) > 11. Typical pass for Echo? (Bill W1PA) > 12. Re: The Need for Phonetics (Jeff Moore) > 13. Call for Papers--2011 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications > Conference (Ford, Steve, WB8IMY) > 14. real satellite situation (Bob- W7LRD) > 15. Re: Typical pass for Echo? (KM9U) > 16. BBC - PLT Interference at VHF (Trevor .) > 17. ARISSat-1 tlm decoder. (G0MRF(a)aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:19:23 -0400 > From: "Zachary Beougher" <zack.kd8ksn(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Logo > To: <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <SNT111-DS207593AB8713298F253D19B3A80(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > WOW! I never knew there were so man variations of the AMSAT logo out > there.... After going through several logos I found one that will work - > thanks for all of the replies! > > Zack > KD8KSN > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zachary Beougher > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:50 AM > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Logo > > Does anyone have or know of anyone that has a good quality copy of the AMSAT > logo I can use on a Power Point presentation? I have permission to use it, > but I can not find any good ones. I found several that have the white > background behind them, but I need one that I can overlay on a (eg) grey > background and not have the white rectangular box around the logo. I did > find one - http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/misc/logo/official-scan.gif - but > the graphics where really bad (very rough edges) when overlaid on a grey > background. I see several on the AMSAT website, so I know there are some > out there. > > Thanks! > > Zack > KD8KSN > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:26:05 -0400 > From: <n4csitwo(a)bellsouth.net> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Lets get it right! > To: <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <D66E73ABCEE34A86B25DCCEA784B4446@DHJ> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > BTW everyone, > > Its ARISS and ARISSat-1. Not ARRIS, ARRISS, ARRISSat, etc. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:28:02 -0700 > From: Scott Rights <scott.rights(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics > To: "amsat-bb(a)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <F876DD65-570C-476D-AB98-0BA576ED1677(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I agree Glen > > I use the ICAO phonetics for work, but I have terrible luck with them when working DX! > Scott N6PG > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:32:18 -0700 > From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford(a)mac.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Flute Duet > To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <6B052723-F9ED-4F04-80C4-20D7E429AEB4(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > You'd better believe this will be played - LOUD - tomorrow night during our ARISSat-1 / Yuri Party! > > http://web.me.com/clintbradford/k6lcs/Tull.html > > Quite a bit of history in making this project happen ... search the BBC and your other regular news sources for background. > > Clint > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:36:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nader Omer <st2nh(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 (-ve copy ) > To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <695101.40503.qm(a)web161210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > All, > Nothing?from ARISSat-1 over Africa during the last two passes!! > ?:-((((( > ? > 73.Nader > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:44:27 +0200 > From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics > To: "Glen Zook" <gzook(a)yahoo.com>, "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>, > "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(a)gmail.com> > Message-ID: <000701cbf880$dea2baa0$0401a8c0@b3o7f1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Glen, K9STH > > I agree completely with you and via OSCAR-10, OSCAR-13 and AO40 as > well in HF when calling stations in South America I realized that for best > understanding it was better to use geographical linguage instead of the ICAO > phonetics and my call letters i8CVS becomes Italia Ocho Canada' Victoria > Santiago or Italia Ocho Condensador Valvula Sintonia and with QRM,QSB > and weak signals my call was better understud by people of espanish > linguage. > > By the way when calling stations in USA the ICAO phonetics Italy Eight > Charlie Victor Sierra sounded better for me. > > 73" de > > i8CVS Domenico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Zook" <gzook(a)yahoo.com> > To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>; "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:43 PM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics > > > I can assure you that in basically 52 years of working DX that geographical > names definitely work better in the vast majority of situations than the > ICAO phonetics. Yes, eventually, the ICAO phonetics will be understood. > However, the station on the other end is generally going to work stations > that are the easiest to recognize and that includes what phonetics are used. > Therefore, how much time you spend in the pileup depends on how well the DX > station understands your transmissions. As for me, I prefer not to spend a > long time in a pileup! > > I give up! The same arguments that are made time after time on QRZ.com for > using only the ICAO phonetics are being made here. Frankly, the ICAO > phonetics do NOT work well, if at all, for certain letters when the other > station does not have English as their first language, especially when QRM > or QSB is present. > > I keep saying that ICAO phonetics are fine when English is the first > language of the person or if the person who does not have English as their > primary language has had formal training in the "proper" use of the ICAO > phonetic alphabet. However, when the ICAO phonetic alphabet fails, then the > operator needs to have an alternate phonetic alphabet available rather than > continue to attempt to get the information across using the ICAO phonetics. > > I am receiving numerous E-Mails from people who definitely agree that when > working DX using geographical names usually works much better. But, those > persons are hesitant to enter into this discussion. > > Basically, everyone is chasing their tail. That is, those who think that > the ICAO phonetics are sacred and need to be used no matter what against > those who believe that certain circumstances require using an alternative > phonetic alphabet. Few persons are going to change their minds! > > One needs to look at the public safety arena where the ICAO phonetics are > just not used. If the ICAO phonetics are so great then why is there an APCO > phonetic alphabet? The basic answer is that public safety organizations > have found that the ICAO phonetics just don't do a good job. Therefore, the > APCO phonetic alphabet. > > I can assure you that this discussion will never end because those who > insist that the ICAO phonetics must be used no matter what seldom realize > that they are no panacea and that alternate phonetics do have a place in > radio communications. > > Glen, K9STH > > Website: http://k9sth.com > > > --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Jeff Moore <tnetcenter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a bunch of baloney! Your "unpublished" non-standard just confuses > most people. I've listened to hours of DX and the ITU alphabet gets through > just fine. It's when people start throwing out their cutesy made up alphabet > that it gets confusing. > > Stick to the standard and it will work fine. > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:53:44 -0400 > From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(a)videotron.ca> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Cc: eu-amsat(a)yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <4DA33218.25082.EE3DAF(a)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > When a station does not copy my call sign or anything else i use any mean to have them understand if international phonetics does not work > i try something else period. Some called this the KISS way... > > > "-" > > > Luc Leblanc VE2DWE > Skype VE2DWE > www.qsl.net/ve2dwe > DSTAR urcall VE2DWE > WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Eric Thompson <n6spp(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fwd: Re: ARRISAT Initial xmsn//Pass#1 > @0712AK=nada > To: "Ransom, Kenneth G. $JSC-OC$\[BARRIOS TECHNOLOGY\]" > <kenneth.g.ransom(a)nasa.gov>, "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw(a)acsalaska.net>, > "amsat-bb(a)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Cc: AL4S_Rich_k3 <rich(a)gillin.us> > Message-ID: <552545.47204.qm(a)web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thnx Kenneth-?? > > ?I'll post my prediction chart again here for S.Central AK---? > > Here is what I see for BP51 passes- > (Six more ?passes at +1 elev or more) > > For AOS+ max elevation (bp51cf) I show: > ? > monday +3 max elev??? aos:?? 0710AK > tues???????? +5????????????????????????????? 0117AK > tues??????? +12??????????????????????????? 0250AK > tues??????? +13???????????????????????????? 0425AK > tues???????? +6????????????????????????????? 0600AK > wed???????? +1????????????????????????????? 0009AK > wed???????? +9????????????????????????????? 0141AK > ? > Initial xsmsn ending Wednesday at 0230 AK local. > ? > So maybe a shot for the guys that want to try at 0250 or 0425 AK local > tomorrow.. at max elev-ISS in southern sky. > ? > ? Will see what we can get...?? Eric? n6spp > (ps- any help is great.. + I have the arrisat2 links+ a few programs+iphone apps > etc) > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Ransom, Kenneth G. (JSC-OC)[BARRIOS TECHNOLOGY]" > <kenneth.g.ransom(a)nasa.gov> > To: Edward R. Cole <kl7uw(a)acsalaska.net>; "amsat-bb(a)amsat.org" > <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Cc: Thompson <n6spp(a)yahoo.com> > Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 10:52:21 AM > Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Re: ARRISAT Initial xmsn//Pass#1 @0712AK=nada > > ARISSat-1 should be active until April 13 at 10:30 UTC. You get a shot at it on > April 12. > > Kenneth - N5VHO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Edward R. Cole > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:09 AM > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Cc: Thompson > Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Re: ARRISAT Initial xmsn//Pass#1 @0712AK=nada > > Eric, N6SPP/KL7 no reception of ARISSat at 1512utc? Next time ISS is > visible will be 9:15utc Apr. 12? 5-deg max elevation.? ARISSat will > be turned off before the pass at 10:50utc.? Very little chance to > observe from Alaska. > > > >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:22:53 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Eric Thompson <n6spp(a)yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: ARRISAT Initial xmsn//Pass#1 @0712AK=nada >> >> >> Nada here on 145.95,919, or 939..? ? Elk? horiz.. no polarity >> control.. +3 degrees max elev? at 0712AK...? wav file recording? ready.. >> >> ? ? Eric n6spp >> >> >> From: Eric Thompson <n6spp(a)yahoo.com> >> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 11:28:35 PM >> Subject: ARRISAT Initial transmissions- Monday 11th 0700AK >> >> Hey guys- >> >> Please see the attached ISS quick-pass list. >> >> According to the latest bulletin, the timed transmissions are from >> (BP51- AOS) 0710 AK Monday to? (BP51-AOS) 0141 AK Wednesday.. >> >> If I'm reading this right, there are seven passes during this >> period.. BP51 local pass times are 0710,0250, 0425. 0600? etc.. >> >> Max elevations are 3, 5, 12,13,6,1, 9 degrees? etc.. >> >> Looks like an early morning challenge.? Yow >> >> ? Dale, am I on the right page? Are you going to attempt some of >> these sigs just above the horizon? >> >> ? Initial transmission downlinks:? 145.95 FM? voice,telem,robot 36,bpsk. >> 145.939 cw-1, 145.919 cw-2. >> >> ? I'd like to make recordings and send to KA2UPW/5, but not sure if >> I'll be awake. hi >> >> ? ? Eric? KL/N6SPP >> > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 > ====================================== > BP40IQ? 500 KHz - 10-GHz? www.kl7uw.com > EME: 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? > DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa(a)hotmail.com > ====================================== > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:03:21 -0800 > From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw(a)acsalaska.net> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARRISSat Reception 14.45 UTC > To: vu3tyg(a)amsatindia.org, <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <201104112003.p3BK3Mgm081888(a)cordova.acsalaska.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Not wanting to be a naysayer, but this was discussed a few weeks ago > on Amsat-bb with the word from the mission staff that no external > power connection was provided. In other words it runs on > solar-charged batteries. Of course, we know they had some sort of > "bench power connection" for testing. I hope the "folks" on the ISS > are good technicians and can "rig up" something. There was a concern > the batteries might drop off in storage until this summer when the > "Main Show" is to happen. > > Of course maybe they can "duck tape" it outside and let it run on the > panels/batteries? OK that was in jest (humor). > > I only have operational is a 2m Lindenblad CP omni directional > antenna that is probably not good enough to hear ARISSat when down at > the horizon and at max range. Just luck that my 2m-eme system is out > of commission at present else I would had a excellent receiver. > > GL and 73's > Ed - KL7UW > > At 09:19 AM 4/11/2011, Nitin Muttin wrote: >> Nothing heard on the 16.20 UTC pass, watch the live feed from ISS from >> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov looks like the crew is working on addressing the >> issue, the last comment I heard is recharging the batteries ( Please excuse >> if I am wrong J ). >> >> >> >> 73's >> >> Nitin [VU3TYG] >> >> >> >> From: Nitin Muttin [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 8:24 PM >> To: 'amsat-bb(a)amsat.org' >> Cc: 'amsatindia(a)yahoogroups.com' >> Subject: ARRISSat Reception 14.45 UTC >> >> >> >> All, >> >> >> >> Nothing heard from the ARRISSat-1 on 145.950 / 437.550 and 145.919 during >> the 14.42 UTC pass over India. >> >> >> >> 73's >> >> Nitin [VU3TYG] >> >> _____ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3564 - Release Date: 04/10/11 >> >> _____ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3564 - Release Date: 04/10/11 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 > ====================================== > BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com > EME: 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? > DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa(a)hotmail.com > ====================================== > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:10:43 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Giulio P. AOL" <giuliop70(a)aim.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 nothing over ITALY > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Message-ID: <8CDC6A40D4527A8-1588-229A6(a)webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > No Signals in the pass 20:58 - 21:07 UTC over ITALY > > 73 de Giulio AB2VY / I4 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:14:47 -0400 > From: "Bill W1PA" <w1pa(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Typical pass for Echo? > To: <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <BAY157-ds15ECC60222F74654B1814F98A80(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > This is not intended as a "troll", or written with any attitude. > > Today's 3:30 EDT AO-51 pass was the first pass I have tried to > work on a LEO in a long time (years). Blew the dust > off the FT-530 and Arrow and sat out in the parking lot at work. > > Was that pretty typical (i.e. quantity of stations) now for a > mid-afternoon, weekday pass over the US? > What about the very early morning passes? > > Bill W1PA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:17:49 -0700 > From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Need for Phonetics > To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <73731D4F928E41A39863FDA06A74AFE2@JEFFS> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > See comments in line below: > > Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Zook" <gzook(a)yahoo.com> > > I can assure you that in basically 52 years of working DX that geographical names definitely work better in the vast majority of situations than the ICAO phonetics. Yes, eventually, the ICAO phonetics will be understood. However, the station on the other end is generally going to work stations that are the easiest to recognize and that includes what phonetics are used. Therefore, how much time you spend in the pileup depends on how well the DX station understands your transmissions. As for me, I prefer not to spend a long time in a pileup! > > <== If everybody is using the same phonetic alphabet, then there shouldn't be any problem understanding what one is saying. > > > I give up! The same arguments that are made time after time on QRZ.com for using only the ICAO phonetics are being made here. Frankly, the ICAO phonetics do NOT work well, if at all, for certain letters when the other station does not have English as their first language, especially when QRM or QSB is present. > > <== Don't you ever wonder why you keep seeing the same arguments?? The ITU phonetic alphabet works fine if it's used. > > I keep saying that ICAO phonetics are fine when English is the first language of the person or if the person who does not have English as their primary language has had formal training in the "proper" use of the ICAO phonetic alphabet. However, when the ICAO phonetic alphabet fails, then the operator needs to have an alternate phonetic alphabet available rather than continue to attempt to get the information across using the ICAO phonetics. > > <== "Training" comes from use. What I don't understand is how you can advocate a phonetic alphabet that by your own admission isn't even documented legitemately anywhere let alone recognized or recommended. > > I am receiving numerous E-Mails from people who definitely agree that when working DX using geographical names usually works much better. But, those persons are hesitant to enter into this discussion. > > <== Could it be that they understand the quicksand you're standing on? > > Basically, everyone is chasing their tail. That is, those who think that the ICAO phonetics are sacred and need to be used no matter what against those who believe that certain circumstances require using an alternative phonetic alphabet. Few persons are going to change their minds! > > <== There's nothing "sacred" about the ITU phonetic alphabet. It's just the current Internationally recognized and recommended standard that should be used. Anything else just confuses people. > > One needs to look at the public safety arena where the ICAO phonetics are just not used. If the ICAO phonetics are so great then why is there an APCO phonetic alphabet? The basic answer is that public safety organizations have found that the ICAO phonetics just don't do a good job. Therefore, the APCO phonetic alphabet. > > <== Public safety organizations use their own phonetic alphabet for the same reason they use their own numeric codes, to confuse the general public and make it harder for them to understand the info being passed. It has nothing to do with one being easier to understand than the other. > > I can assure you that this discussion will never end because those who insist that the ICAO phonetics must be used no matter what seldom realize that they are no panacea and that alternate phonetics do have a place in radio communications. > > <== You're right! As long as people argue against the accepted, documented, recommended prevailing standard, the discussion will go on. Come up with a documented, better phonetic alphabet and get it internationally recognized and recommended and then this discussion will go away (or at least be changed to an argument between the old and new standard). As long as there is no official alternative (and I don't give a rip about how long the geographic non-documented non-standard has been used), the internationally recognized standard is what should be used. You can play your word games all day long on DX, but as soon as you start working emcomm - you'd better be using the accepted standard or you're putting people's lives at stake. > > Glen, K9STH > > Website: http://k9sth.com > > > --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Jeff Moore <tnetcenter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a bunch of baloney! Your "unpublished" non-standard just confuses most people. I've listened to hours of DX and the ITU alphabet gets through just fine. It's when people start throwing out their cutesy made up alphabet that it gets confusing. > > Stick to the standard and it will work fine. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:03 -0400 > From: "Ford, Steve, WB8IMY" <sford(a)arrl.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Call for Papers--2011 ARRL/TAPR Digital > Communications Conference > To: "RTTY Reflector" <rtty(a)contesting.com>, <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>, > <vhf(a)w6yx.stanford.edu>, <psk31(a)bipt106.bi.ehu.es>, > <digitalradio(a)yahoogroups.com> > Message-ID: > <145372871023544E98881538F29B1DFC0DCC19(a)cartagia.ARRLHQ.ORG> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 30th Annual ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 16-18, 2011 in Baltimore, Maryland. These papers will also be published in the Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July 31, 2011. Please send papers to: > > Maty Weinberg > ARRL > 225 Main St > Newington, CT 06111 > > or you can make your submission via e-mail to: maty(a)arrl.org > > Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain all rights. > > 73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY > ARRL > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:01:25 +0000 (UTC) > From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [amsat-bb] real satellite situation > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Message-ID: > <38097653.3898144.1302559285318.JavaMail.root(a)sz0126a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > This next pass of AO-51 at 2222Z I will be trying out for the first time my FT-8800 running mobile in my truck.? I have no idea how this will play.? Be gentle with me. > > 73 Bob W7LRD > > CN87 > > Seattle > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:07:35 -0400 > From: "KM9U" <arskm9u(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Typical pass for Echo? > To: "Bill W1PA" <w1pa(a)hotmail.com>, <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org> > Message-ID: <BA544E5EEB3A446282E530838843A325@dv9000> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I did not listen to the AO-51 pass you mention, but I would guess it was > very crowded as is common. I will not comment on a guess but I will say that > early morning passes are generally less crowded and "laid back". If you are > up for the VERY early morning passes of SO-50...come join me, I'm often by > myself. > > Chuck, KM9U > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill W1PA" <w1pa(a)hotmail.com> > To: <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 17:14 > Subject: [amsat-bb] Typical pass for Echo? > > >> This is not intended as a "troll", or written with any attitude. >> >> Today's 3:30 EDT AO-51 pass was the first pass I have tried to >> work on a LEO in a long time (years). Blew the dust >> off the FT-530 and Arrow and sat out in the parking lot at work. >> >> Was that pretty typical (i.e. quantity of stations) now for a >> mid-afternoon, weekday pass over the US? >> What about the very early morning passes? >> >> Bill W1PA >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:16:12 +0100 (BST) > From: "Trevor ." <m5aka(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [amsat-bb] BBC - PLT Interference at VHF > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Message-ID: <438047.64464.qm(a)web27204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > This report is worth a read: > > http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP195.pdf > > 73 Trevor M5AKA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:21:46 EDT > From: G0MRF(a)aol.com > Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 tlm decoder. > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Message-ID: <48a7b.200a4f48.3ad4d8fa(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi all. > > I have a minor (probably operator error) with the TLM software. > > Is there a way to get the audio to feed through to the PC speakers? I've > tried Spectran and Spectraview without problem, but the ARISSat software > does not appear to send audio out on my system. I cant hear the radio as I > have a jack in the headphone socket which mutes the radio's speaker. > > The software is working. I can decode the CW callsign and locator of a 2m > beacon and the level is controlled nicely with the windows 'microphone' > record level. > > It's not muted > It's got the correct input selected and the gain turned up. > > But.....no audio out...so I'm just setting the frequency by visually > putting the signal in the right place. > > 73 > > David > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via amsat-bb(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > End of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 6, Issue 205 > **************************************** Lou McFadin W5DID ARISS US Hardware manager

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ASRISSat-1
by Carl Rimmer W8KRF 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

I pretty much made my frustration statement on the ISS Fan Club site. Someone said this was just "part of the game." What bothers me is just that, it has become a game. They took our football and are playing by their rules. What a let down!!!! Let's see what happens in July. Oh, as far as that battery goes, we need to send the Energizer Bunny up with Endeavor. LOL. 73, -- *Carl W8KRF *

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Re: ARRISSat Reception 14.45 UTC
by Nitin Muttin 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Nothing heard on the 16.20 UTC pass, watch the live feed from ISS from http://spaceflight.nasa.gov looks like the crew is working on addressing the issue, the last comment I heard is recharging the batteries ( Please excuse if I am wrong J ). 73's Nitin [VU3TYG] From: Nitin Muttin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 8:24 PM To: 'amsat-bb(a)amsat.org' Cc: 'amsatindia(a)yahoogroups.com' Subject: ARRISSat Reception 14.45 UTC All, Nothing heard from the ARRISSat-1 on 145.950 / 437.550 and 145.919 during the 14.42 UTC pass over India. 73's Nitin [VU3TYG] _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3564 - Release Date: 04/10/11 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3564 - Release Date: 04/10/11

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