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[amsat-bb] HudsonValleySatcomGroupNetThursdayJan05@8PMEasternOnEcholink N2EYH-L
by cotejaune2＠aol.com 05 Jan '12

05 Jan '12

Hello all. It is time again for our HVSG net tomorrow Jan.05 @ 8 PM Eastern. You can find us on Echolink @ N2EYH-L or on the Mt. Beacon Repeater 146.970 pl 100. We usually have an Amsat area Coordinator,Dee NB2F,check into the Net. So if you have any questions about Amsat Dee is the man to ask. So please join us for the Net and share your satellite experience with us all. Hope to hear you there. 73 GaryWA2AQH/TomKC2DTQ

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What Happened to the PacSats?
by Chris Maness 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

About 12 years ago, I was really into amateur radio satellites (the analog birds). I always wanted to try the PacSats, but I was a college student, and could not afford all of the necessary hardware. I tried to do it in software (and ended up falling in love with Linux). Now I have a good source of income, and was looking into dabbling in the PacSats, but looking at the Amsat website, it looks like none of the old birds are up. So are there any plans to restore store and forward messaging capability in future ham radio birds? Is this currently still possible and I am just missing something? Thanks, Chris Maness KQ6UP

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HO-68
by John Mac 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

Hi all... I am wondering with the lack of Operational Satellites up at the moment.....what is actually wrong with HO-68... All I could find out is that it had a scheduling problem, so what does this mean...its hardware or software...? With the limited life of these birds I would think they would implement something to at least get part of it working...if at all possible. John

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Re: What Happened to the PacSats?
by G0MRF＠aol.com 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

Hi Clayton / Alan Since the original launch of the store and forward satellites - Was it the mid 1980s? -we've had all sorts of terrestrial methods of doing the same thing. E-mail, texting, social media etc. All have depleted interest. Arissat has (sorry...had...sob..) some very innovative technologies and the digital voice announcements were particularly effective. Personally, in an era of limited communication range from LEOs, I would really like to see some experimental stored and forwarded voice messages. For example, Imagine a 'transponder' that would allow 30 seconds of voice recording over the mid-west USA combined with a command to allow the satellite to transmit that message in 20 minutes time when it's over Europe. Sounds difficult, but a CTCSS tone or DTMF could be used to tell the satellite what delay was required before retransmission. I'm not sure the ARRL would like the idea issuing worked all continents awards for a QSO that takes 3 hours to complete, but it would be fun. 73 David G0MRF In a message dated 04/01/2012 21:08:55 GMT Standard Time, kayakfishtx(a)gmail.com writes: I've been wondering if the issue is not lack of interest but lack of education and marketing. If newer hams were to see and understand the benefits of a store-and-forward PacSat, I believe you'd see a level of support as strong as days passed. I have been playing with terrestrial packet and digital modes for 20 years and the thought of exchanging messages via satellite excites me. Unfortunately I did not partake in the PacSats' capabilities when they were functional. 73 Clayton W5PFG On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Alan P. Biddle <APBIDDLE(a)united.net> wrote: > Chris, > > Like you, I really enjoyed the old digital birds. However, the interest in > that has fallen off. AO-51 did have a very nice system, and a few other > satellites have had more traditional Packet BBS capabilities. The interest > just does not seem to be there, when the old satellites died, there were not > replaced. > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Maness > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:56 PM > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] What Happened to the PacSats? > > About 12 years ago, I was really into amateur radio satellites (the > analog birds). I always wanted to try the PacSats, but I was a > college student, and could not afford all of the necessary hardware. > I tried to do it in software (and ended up falling in love with > Linux). Now I have a good source of income, and was looking into > dabbling in the PacSats, but looking at the Amsat website, it looks > like none of the old birds are up. So are there any plans to restore > store and forward messaging capability in future ham radio birds? Is > this currently still possible and I am just missing something? > > Thanks, > Chris Maness > KQ6UP > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Re: Need East Coast
by Mervyn Hecht 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

Steve, maybe you could email me the calls of the people you worked and I could contact them? Merv mervynhecht(a)yahoo.com

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Re: What Happened to the PacSats?
by Andrew Glasbrenner 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

Warning! My opinion follows: Many of the pacsats were university sats built for missions similar to today's cubesats. GO-32, the Korean ones, the University of Surrey ones, Tiuansat, etc. They operated in the amateur bands, and were generally open access to the store and forward parts, while also carrying out experiments, imaging, and training. Somewhere along the line, things went closed. While cubes have drawn down the pool of these size and type sats being launched, they are still happening, and without amateur two-way missions. Without malice, I'm going to point to Edusat, and the Unisat series as the most visible of these in recent memory. There are others also, including from the US and Japan. The question we should be asking ourselves is what caused this? Is it something hams did to put off the unis? Is it lack of involvement in the early phases, or just lack of interest or understanding of what we might provide such a program in return? How did we get to a point where a 25 or 50 kg satellite, using amateur frequencies, has no two way package in it? More importantly, how do we get back to the way it was before? Note I'm not disputing these programs right to exist, just that something has changed, and it's in our self-interest to figure it out. 73, Drew KO4MA -----Original Message----- >From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(a)UNITED.NET> >Sent: Jan 4, 2012 2:24 PM >To: 'Chris Maness' <chris(a)chrismaness.com>, amsat-bb(a)amsat.org >Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What Happened to the PacSats? > >Chris, > >Like you, I really enjoyed the old digital birds. However, the interest in >that has fallen off. AO-51 did have a very nice system, and a few other >satellites have had more traditional Packet BBS capabilities. The interest >just does not seem to be there, when the old satellites died, there were not >replaced. > >73s, > >Alan >WA4SCA > > >-----Original Message----- >From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On >Behalf Of Chris Maness >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:56 PM >To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org >Subject: [amsat-bb] What Happened to the PacSats? > >About 12 years ago, I was really into amateur radio satellites (the >analog birds). I always wanted to try the PacSats, but I was a >college student, and could not afford all of the necessary hardware. >I tried to do it in software (and ended up falling in love with >Linux). Now I have a good source of income, and was looking into >dabbling in the PacSats, but looking at the Amsat website, it looks >like none of the old birds are up. So are there any plans to restore >store and forward messaging capability in future ham radio birds? Is >this currently still possible and I am just missing something? > >Thanks, >Chris Maness >KQ6UP >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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NEW ENGLAND
by Mervyn Hecht 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

OK, maybe my last post was too general in asking about East Coast contacts. If anyone is New York or New Jersey sees this message please contact me to set up a schedule. Merv K)6E

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Re: ARISSat-1 Last Known 2-way Contact
by Rob Styles 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

Sorry had a sticky RRR On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:20, Rob Styles wrote: > Maybe this the last confirmed Two-way contact via ARISSat-1? > 03/01/2012 15:20 2E0SQL-GW1FKY sent 55 rx 58-9 > > 73 > Rob M0TFO

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ARRISAT-1 Last Known 2-way Contact
by Rob Styles 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

Maybe this the last confirmed Two-way contact via Arrisat-1 ? 03/01/2012 15:20 2E0SQL-GW1FKY sent 55 rx 58-9 73 Rob M0TFO

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Re: What Happened to the PacSats?
by Andre 04 Jan '12

04 Jan '12

Op 4-1-2012 21:29, Chris Maness schreef: > I have been looking into using the APRS digipeater on the ISS to send > txt messages. Is this possible? I go hiking and camping a lot, and > it would be cool to at least digipeat through the ISS. What would be > even better is an email sat. Store and forward to gatway stations > that relay emails like winlink does. This would be great for > outbackers and people in developing areas that don't have this > ability. The gateway station could approve and foreward inbound email > too so that way the messages are sent like 3rd party traffic. No spam > and junk like that. > > Just a Thought, > Chris Maness > KQ6UP Short emails are posible trough iss http://wa8lmf.net/bruninga/aprs/sset-email.GIF it's one way only but good enough for checkin messages, there are enough monitoring stations to cover most needs, africa might be a bit hard at places but even there, there should be posibileties. 73 Andre PE1RDW 73 Andre PE1RDW

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