>On 8/30/2013 1:25 AM, Jeff Moore wrote:
>> How about hitting up the new COMMERCIAL launchers like SpaceX??
>> Those guys originated as amateur rocketeers.
I would hope that folks have a little more faith in AMSAT leadership as far as exploring opportunities for launches, even if you don't read about every contact or discussion in ANS or QST.
SpaceX is Elon Musk's company, who founded PayPal and Tesla Motors as well. He's not an amateur anything; he's one of the most successful businessmen in the world, a real-life Tony Stark. AMSAT-DL has met with Space-X, and this fact has been published in many places (http://amsat.org/pipermail/ans/2010/000378.html). SpaceX rarely launches pure test flights, they normally have paying customers even on first launches. Secondary payloads are handled through Spaceflight Services, and their rates are published at http://spaceflightservices.com/pricing-plans/ . Fifty kg, or about half of what Eagle would have been, to GTO would cost 3 million dollars. Hey! that's only like $1000 per member! P3E, at 150kg, would be closer to 8 million, IF it could be made to fit the space available, and most likely mounted and launched sideways.
Opportunities may still be out there to go to HEO, but it's a fairy tale to think that all we have to do is knock on the door and ask. It is also disheartening to see that so many just assume that we aren't trying.
73, Drew KO4MA
In the 1980's era of AO-10 and AO-13, AMSAT was just about the only outfit
interested in launching small satellites, there was no commercial market for
secondary launches, and we got them free or very cheap. In today's world,
every university on Earth is building a Cubesat and commercial and government
organizations are developing real missions around Cubesats. If they gave AMSAT
a free launch today, they would have to give free launches to everybody. That
is the main problem that we have today.
The NASA Cubesat launch initiative is accepting applications for up to a 6U
Cubesat with proposals due in November, it MIGHT be possible to get a launch
to GTO through this program (or it might not be). Can AMSAT design a high
altitude satellite in a 6U Cubesat frame with sufficient solar power
generation and antenna gain to provide a viable ham radio mission in HEO? It
is worth further study over the next two months.
Dan Schultz N8FGV
>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:58:57 -0700
>From: Peter Klein <pklein(a)threshinc.com>
>Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
>like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
>the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
>with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
And or start working on OK can't get ride to High orbit,,, at least get
us to a LEO spot and develop like Ion engines or something so we can
eventually work our way to a high orbit, like with an ION engine, so it
takes a few years to get there because of the low push level, but hey a
few years is decades faster than we are doing now.
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
On 8/30/2013 1:25 AM, Jeff Moore wrote:
> How about hitting up the new COMMERCIAL launchers like SpaceX??
> Those guys originated as amateur rocketeers. There's others, we may be
> able to wangle a free or donated ride to HEO. The US government isn't
> likely to be viable, they can't even get astronauts to the ISS w/o
> begging a ride from someone else.
> Of course, we take a much larger risk in going for a test ride, we
> might want to have a P3F and P3G ready to go just in case.
> 7 3
> Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Joe <nss(a)mwt.net
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical
> new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years
> once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
> Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care.
> Joe WB9SBD
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
Fabiano, You beat me to it!
This would be a great idea. The important part would be in the execution. First identify a launch opportunity, satellite and budget that is real BEFORE launching a kickstarter. A review of some of the failed Kickstarter schemes would be important lesson.
When AO40 launched, I was amazed just to be able to receive the 2M engineering beacon with a Standard C508 portable sitting on my dashboard WHILE driving!
One of the incentives could be an inexpensive SDR kit designed specifically to receive and decode telemetry, SSTV images and other data. This could get the masses interested in the hobby.
For bragging rights, contributors at a higher level would get a Vanity QSL card or similar vanity image item (for the unlicensed) stored in the bird and randomly displayed on SSTV or HDTV that could be decoded with the SDR kit.
Make the SDR receiver kit portable and IOS and/or Android compatible and you have captured the younger demographic.
Maybe some of the radio manufacturers could throw in gear as incentives for larger donations.
To mis-quote Frank Zappa, AMSAT is not dead, it just smells bad.
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:41:44 +0100
From: Fabiano Moser<fabianomoser(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
How manny Amateur Radio whole world can join this Challenge?
Leikhim and Associates
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.