September 2013 - AMSAT-BB - mailman.amsat.org

Re: My Take
by Joe Leikhim 18 Sep '13

18 Sep '13

Has there been any though about a mailing to some of these thousands of past AMSAT "alumni" who are not "SK", to try to get them interested in rejoining and contributing to future projects? No doubt a few are still active on the sats, others may be interested in future endeavors. This might take some work finding correct addresses. -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications Consultants Oviedo, Florida JLeikhim(a)Leikhim.com 407-982-0446 WWW.LEIKHIM.COM

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Re: So Long
by Joe Leikhim 18 Sep '13

18 Sep '13

Along the same thinking, sequentially launched flotillas of MEO cubesats with identical linear transponders, each with GPS derived local oscillator. If done correctly, antennas phased alike, the power from two or more would be additive and the uplinks would provide diversity. Like Project Westford Needles dipole experiment, but having system gain. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:42:32 -0500 > From: "Tom J. Gentry" <t.gentry(a)verizon.net> > To: "amsat-bb(a)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So Long > Message-ID: <769DA5E9-2900-4D29-86FB-C55EADD22BD5(a)verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > While the frustration evidenced in this digest is understandable, perhaps unknown to us AMSAT are already trying to innovate an alternative to Highly Elliptical Orbit. Certainly a longer lived orbit would be desirable and a bird lighter that a P3 sat would perhaps find a cheap ride easier but let us rethink our path to get to where we want to be. As sure as E=mc^2, Upmass=$$$$$$$. Even though we started out as hitch hikers to the galaxy, AMSAT has acquired a significant data base of communications technology that we will be able to use to get more rides as soon as ITAR gets lifted off our neck and we can find more programs that can use the AMSAT communications expertise. > > How about a series of cube sats that are placed high enough (or could be raised to that orbit) to last for awhile? How about we use other people's bird's after they are through with their experiments and move them up to longer lasting orbits and reconfigure the comm system (the one we built for them) to an amateur radio configuration. If each one of these MEO cube sats lasts long enough to overlap, pretty soon you have a constellation. > > I probably will not live to see it complete but that is no reason not to start. The key is to get long lasting orbits with small sats and lots of them. > > Sent from my iPad -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications Consultants Oviedo, Florida JLeikhim(a)Leikhim.com 407-982-0446 WWW.LEIKHIM.COM

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Re: So Long
by Tom J. Gentry 18 Sep '13

18 Sep '13

While the frustration evidenced in this digest is understandable, perhaps unknown to us AMSAT are already trying to innovate an alternative to Highly Elliptical Orbit. Certainly a longer lived orbit would be desirable and a bird lighter that a P3 sat would perhaps find a cheap ride easier but let us rethink our path to get to where we want to be. As sure as E=mc^2, Upmass=$$$$$$$. Even though we started out as hitch hikers to the galaxy, AMSAT has acquired a significant data base of communications technology that we will be able to use to get more rides as soon as ITAR gets lifted off our neck and we can find more programs that can use the AMSAT communications expertise. How about a series of cube sats that are placed high enough (or could be raised to that orbit) to last for awhile? How about we use other people's bird's after they are through with their experiments and move them up to longer lasting orbits and reconfigure the comm system (the one we built for them) to an amateur radio configuration. If each one of these MEO cube sats lasts long enough to overlap, pretty soon you have a constellation. I probably will not live to see it complete but that is no reason not to start. The key is to get long lasting orbits with small sats and lots of them. 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Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites (MLengruesser(a)aol.com) > 14. Re: so long, try EME (MM) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:19:36 -0500 > From: n0jy <n0jy(a)n0jy.org> > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: <5238AB48.8050507(a)n0jy.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dang. Now what are we going to do? > > On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote: >> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >> only satellite >> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other >> joining AMSAT >> in the first place. >> >> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:45:52 +0100 > From: "Iain Young, G7III" <g7iii(a)g7iii.net> > To: n0jy <n0jy(a)n0jy.org> > Cc: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: <5238B170.6050409(a)g7iii.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 17/09/13 20:19, n0jy wrote: > >> Dang. Now what are we going to do? > > Eat the fish left behind ? :) > > > 73s > > Iain > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:46:45 -0500 > From: Yanko Yankov <samy_b1(a)shell4you.net> > To: n0jy <n0jy(a)n0jy.org>, amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: <6902cb30-2291-4cfa-a0b3-1b9f6b7f7971(a)email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'll tell you what I will do. I'll make me a cup of coffee. > > Yanko,NX9G > > n0jy <n0jy(a)n0jy.org> wrote: >> Dang. Now what are we going to do? >> >> On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote: >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>> only satellite >>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other >>> joining AMSAT >>> in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the >> author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the >> author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:12:00 -0500 > From: Personal <johnag9d(a)gmail.com> > To: John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net> > Cc: "amsat-bb(a)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: <45B86821-7D94-4AFB-A36E-DCF926BABA56(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal 6 feet underground? > > If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch P3D...it's been sitting around. > > Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the example. > > John AG9D > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net> wrote: > >> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite >> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT >> in the first place. >> >> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:14:01 -0400 > From: Patrick Green <pagreen(a)gmail.com> > To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: > <CAAhWhXTv22esZdOZf160MAtj=o4TGwELOt2BpKMHH5zoYM36hw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF? Any mode that requires > infrastructure to operate is going to be this way. I'm sure you've > experienced this on repeaters if you used them. Perhaps we need a > kickstarter for the launch of P3E. > > 73 > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net> wrote: > >> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only >> satellite >> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining >> AMSAT >> in the first place. >> >> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >> >> John >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bb<http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > > Patrick Green > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC) > From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd(a)comcast.net> > To: Personal <johnag9d(a)gmail.com> > Cc: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: > <589413027.1807382.1379449548845.JavaMail.root(a)sz0209a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > the difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer! > 73 Bob W7LRD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Personal" <johnag9d(a)gmail.com> > To: "John Becker" <w0jab(a)big-river.net> > Cc: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:12:00 PM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > > How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal 6 feet underground? > > If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch P3D...it's been sitting around. > > Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the example. > > John AG9D > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net> wrote: > >> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite >> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT >> in the first place. >> >> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: Adrian Engele <aa5uk(a)yahoo.com> > To: Patrick Green <pagreen(a)gmail.com>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: > <1379451181.79114.YahooMailNeo(a)web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Like this Kickstarter project which was underfunded : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597141632/cat-a-thruster-for-interplane… > > We hope. > > 73, Adrian AA5UK > > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Patrick Green <pagreen(a)gmail.com> >> To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:14 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> >> >> Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF?? Any mode that requires >> infrastructure to operate is going to be this way.? I'm sure you've >> experienced this on repeaters if you used them.? Perhaps we need a >> kickstarter for the launch of P3E. >> >> 73 >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net> wrote: >> >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only >>> satellite >>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining >>> AMSAT >>> in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>> >>> John >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bb<http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Patrick Green >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:02:52 +0200 > From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> > To: "John Becker" <w0jab(a)big-river.net>, "Amsat - BBs" > <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>, "Martha" <martha(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: <000a01ceb3fa$0cb44620$0401a8c0@i8cvs> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Becker" <w0jab(a)big-river.net> > To: <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM > Subject: [amsat-bb] so long > >> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as >> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. >> >> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 >> happens. >> >> John >> > Hi John,W0JAB > > I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided > to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed > his policy with only FM satellites. > > I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called > "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments > and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near > future. > > In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect > grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and > particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and > it was very nice until lasted. > > As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL > to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all > my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of > membership. > > By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand > the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write > many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any > money reward. > > If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order > of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of > AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many > members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no > HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two > ways communications between continents was not a > satisfactory task. > > Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they > promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using > the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming > rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! > > 73" de i8CVS Domenico > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:27:37 -0500 > From: Stefan Wagener <wageners(a)gmail.com> > To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> > Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>, John Becker > <w0jab(a)big-river.net> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: > <CAKu8kHDSxQNmagn=V4FFNvXJu6060Bd1-u5VX1EmubRPcq6BDw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Domenico, > > I am not sure if I understand your post: > > "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO > satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my > previous not covered years of membership." > > As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate > AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly > it. > > "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles > for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward." > > Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to > volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid! > > So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to > find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly. > > To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post: > > "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community. > I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies, > fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an > organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime." > > Rest my case, > > Stefan VE4NSA > > > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Becker" <w0jab(a)big-river.net> >> To: <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long >> >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as >>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 >>> happens. >>> >>> John >>> >> Hi John,W0JAB >> >> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided >> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed >> his policy with only FM satellites. >> >> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called >> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments >> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near >> future. >> >> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect >> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and >> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and >> it was very nice until lasted. >> >> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL >> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all >> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of >> membership. >> >> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand >> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write >> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any >> money reward. >> >> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order >> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of >> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many >> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no >> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two >> ways communications between continents was not a >> satisfactory task. >> >> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they >> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using >> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming >> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! >> >> 73" de i8CVS Domenico >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:17:47 -0400 > From: Gus <amcleod(a)caribsurf.com> > To: John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net> > Cc: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: <5238AADB.6090201(a)anjo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John, > > 1) I too pine for the HEO birds. > > 2) I have little interest in single-channel FM-only satellites > > But! > > 1) LEO birds are better than no birds at all. The early OSCARS were all > LEO and without the learning curve they provided, we would probably > never have launched AO-10 and AO-13. The challenges nowadays may be > different (financial rather than technological) but in time we will > hopefully overcome them. > > 2) From what I gather simply by reading this list, the majority of > transponders flying are linear (NOT single-channel FM) and the same is > true for the majority of transponders in the pipe. > > I respect your decision to drop out of the list and wish you well. > > Regards... > > -- > 73, de Gus 8P6SM > Barbados, the easternmost isle. > > > > On 09/17/2013 02:58 PM, John Becker wrote: >> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >> only satellite >> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other >> joining AMSAT >> in the first place. >> >> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:23:59 -0500 > From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d(a)gmail.com> > To: Stefan Wagener <wageners(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>, John Becker > <w0jab(a)big-river.net> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: > <CA+qbou4F6hDXcCpJ61zO4m2XwXdKQoZ3WS0JnAVFzSbPrVvycA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Stefan, I second the comments . > > I brace myself every time I go to a hamfest to represent AMSAT. I would > say I spend 75% of my time getting told that we are a bunch of morons and > how the person complaining used to be a member but will never join again > because we don't have a HEO bird. I spend time, politely too, with them > explaining the world has changed in terms of launch cost and ask them if > they have any ideas on how we can raise the money, that usually sends them > on their way. > > I came to a great revelation this year looking back on my time as a club > president, secretary and one of the 10% that actually does something other > than complain and came to the conclusion that 75% of the rank and file hams > want to open a box, sit in a chair, plug it in and yak in a microphone and > complain. The other 25% are involved in experimentation, construction, > education and pushing the service forward. > > The last time I checked, moaning and complaining to another ham who does > nothing but complain doesn't get anything done. I should think that if > there was anyone reading this mail service that had $10M to spare, they > would have bought the launch by now. But go ahead and keep crying to the > same group, maybe there's a recent lottery winner here. > > John AG9D > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Domenico, >> >> I am not sure if I understand your post: >> >> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO >> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my >> previous not covered years of membership." >> >> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate >> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly >> it. >> >> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles >> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward." >> >> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to >> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid! >> >> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to >> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly. >> >> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post: >> >> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community. >> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies, >> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an >> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime." >> >> Rest my case, >> >> Stefan VE4NSA >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Becker" <w0jab(a)big-river.net> >>> To: <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM >>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long >>> >>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as >>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. >>>> >>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 >>>> happens. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>> Hi John,W0JAB >>> >>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided >>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed >>> his policy with only FM satellites. >>> >>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called >>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments >>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near >>> future. >>> >>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect >>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and >>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and >>> it was very nice until lasted. >>> >>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL >>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all >>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of >>> membership. >>> >>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand >>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write >>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any >>> money reward. >>> >>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order >>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of >>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many >>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no >>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two >>> ways communications between continents was not a >>> satisfactory task. >>> >>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they >>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using >>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming >>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! >>> >>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:00:34 -0700 > From: Greg D <ko6th.greg(a)gmail.com> > To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> > Cc: Amsat BB <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long > Message-ID: <52392562.5050007(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > I made my first satellite contact in 1993, a year after I was first > licensed. That first contact was due to a lot of elmering by Walt, > KA6VNU, and the skill of Mel, KW7E, on the other end of the contact. > Since then I have made countless contacts on my own, elmered others > through their first contacts, and learned something from each and every > one. New puzzles were answered by the many generous and knowledgeable > participants in this bulletin board, including you. I've had an > incredible experience, and it's not over yet. > > I hardly call that "nothing". > > Greg KO6TH > > > i8cvs wrote: >> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they >> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using >> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming >> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:43:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: MLengruesser(a)aol.com > To: les(a)highnoonfilm.com, amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites > Message-ID: <25af8.1712edd.3f6af9d6(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > > Hi Les,. > > > I know this and I think we do a good job of 365/7/24 with our antenna in > Bochum. > We receive and deliver realtime raw data to NASA / NOAA for the Stereo A / > B project > Look on the following webpages > http://amsat-dl.org/index.php/news-mainmenu-97/194-stereo-turbo-amsateng > http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon/beacon_coverage.shtml > http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/ > http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/index.shtml > > vy 73, > > Michael R. Lengruesser, DD5ER > > > > > > AMSAT-DL e.V. > -- International Satellites for Communication, > Science and Education -- > mlengruesser(a)amsat-dl.org > http://www.amsat-dl.org > > > > In einer eMail vom 18.09.2013 01:12:03 Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit schreibt > les(a)highnoonfilm.com: > > MIT Study of interest to the satellite community: > http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html > > > -- > -- > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > 121 Mayfair Park > Maylene, AL 35114 > EM63nf > > 6M VUCC #1712 > AMSAT #38965 > Grid Bandits #222 > Southeastern VHF Society > Central States VHF Society Life Member > Six Club #2484 > > Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:33:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: MM <ka1rrw(a)yahoo.com> > To: John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net>, "amsat-bb(a)amsat.org" > <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long, try EME > Message-ID: > <1379511235.53461.YahooMailNeo(a)web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > EME is a > good replacement (JT65) > ? > There are no > borders. > There is no > politics (no one owns the Moon). > There are no > Satellite managers to control which mode is enabled or disabled. > No person > can hog the whole repeater. > The Moon is > usable 2+ weeks contiguous per month. > In most countries > you can run your countries legal limit. > It?s much > further away and thus a greater challenge. > You do not > need to join a club. > ? > And the list > goes on. > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Becker <w0jab(a)big-river.net> > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:58 PM > Subject: [amsat-bb] so long > > > I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM > only satellite > attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other > joining AMSAT > in the first place. > > Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via amsat-bb(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > End of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 8, Issue 314 > ****************************************

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Cygnus On Its Way To ISS
by B J 18 Sep '13

18 Sep '13

Deployment of the photovoltaic arrays has been confirmed following a smooth launch. 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

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Live Web Coverage Of Antares/Cygnus Launch
by B J 18 Sep '13

18 Sep '13

http://spaceflightnow.com/antares/cots1/status.html http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

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Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites
by MLengruesser＠aol.com 18 Sep '13

18 Sep '13

Hi Les,. I know this and I think we do a good job of 365/7/24 with our antenna in Bochum. We receive and deliver realtime raw data to NASA / NOAA for the Stereo A / B project Look on the following webpages http://amsat-dl.org/index.php/news-mainmenu-97/194-stereo-turbo-amsateng http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon/beacon_coverage.shtml http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/ http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/index.shtml vy 73, Michael R. Lengruesser, DD5ER AMSAT-DL e.V. -- International Satellites for Communication, Science and Education -- mlengruesser(a)amsat-dl.org http://www.amsat-dl.org In einer eMail vom 18.09.2013 01:12:03 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt les(a)highnoonfilm.com: MIT Study of interest to the satellite community: http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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My Take
by MICHAEL 18 Sep '13

18 Sep '13

I guess I'm in the 25 percent who doesn't complain at Hamfests. My first AMSAT exposure was at Dayton in 2010 I had played with the idea of receiving satellites and back in the 90's actually received DOVES beacon. Back then I was a bit confused and never thought much about it. After Dayton 2010 I have slowly been assembling a station. I joined AMSAT but dropped out when they had some problems getting newsletters out. I will be rejoining shortly and hopefully have my station ready for satellite use before Winter strikes here. I honestly believe some people think AMSAT has tons of money or maybe inside contacts just to get the birds "they" want into space. When in reality it takes a lot of work from AMSAT to be considered for a ride by NASA plus donation drives to pay for these birds to be made. Once the birds are in orbit they can be used by anyone not just AMSAT members. Can you imagine if AMSAT had the power or would lock these birds down for "members only" satellites? The membership would go through the roof. Just my opinion, that and $ 2.00 might buy you a good cup of coffee these days! 73's Mike/N8GBU

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Space Weather Affect on Satellites
by Les Rayburn 17 Sep '13

17 Sep '13

MIT Study of interest to the satellite community: http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light

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Re: Apathy in the US
by johnag9d＠gmail.com 17 Sep '13

17 Sep '13

Right on Clint John AG9D Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d(a)earthlink.net> Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:22 am Subject: [amsat-bb] Apathy in the US To: <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org>, <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> >> ... I guess the point is that only very few (less then 20%) determine the future of the organization (by voting). That is not good! Stefan, in the United States, we are lucky to get 20 per cent to vote in many local, statewide, and national elections. It is embarrassing. It is irresponsible. But it is how lackadaisical this country has become when it comes to important matters. Personally, I do not see why fellow AMSAT members should only have this 20 per cent figure voting. Keep sending in your dues, non-voters. Keep AMSAT-NA in your wills. But don't you non-voters moan and complain when matters arise that you disagree with. You couldn't make the effort to affix a stamp and lick an envelope when the future of AMSAT-NA mattered. Don't show your face here and complain about a single thing AMSAT-NA is doing. Just my opinion, of course. Clint Bradford K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com ---------------------------------- Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.clintbradford.com _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Great Morning for New Grids!
by Les Rayburn 17 Sep '13

17 Sep '13

Drew, KO4MA was on from EM61/EM71 intersection this morning on the FO-29 pass (and I found him high in the passband first!) and Ron N8RO was operating portable from FM07! He had quite a pileup going more towards the center of the passband. Thanks to both these skilled and dedicated operators for being out there. Great to hear spirited activity on the birds! -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light

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