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Re: ARISS Contact with Astronaut Suni
by Mark L. Hammond 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

Yes, outstanding job by the school and the hams! I watched the youtube channel--AND listened to it live :) That's always fun...but you can't hear the questions from the students, of course. Nice work by all. Mark L. Hammond [N8MH] AMSAT Director and Command Station On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 12:56 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > How cool was THAT! A wonderfully successful ARISS contact … and Astronaut > Suni’s MOM was > in the audience! > > > > Clint K6LCS > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at > https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at > https://mailman.amsat.org

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ARISS Contact with Astronaut Suni
by Clint Bradford 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

How cool was THAT! A wonderfully successful ARISS contact … and Astronaut Suni’s MOM was in the audience! Clint K6LCS

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Re: Forum vs E-Mail list
by Gregory Robertson 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

Your suggestion is a good idea. I am performing a reset by unsubscribing. Thank you to all for technical assistance given. 73 Greg, N7GR Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2025, at 6:47 AM, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > On 1/28/25 08:30, Chris Hodgeman wrote: >> I am not interested <...> which apps to use etc! > Hello Chris, > > At the risk of adding fuel to the fire, I'd like to point out that discussions of a technical nature which concern the operational aspects of amsat-bb are well within the AUP for this list. > > I logically stated my opinion and was in no way "bickering", as far as I can tell. > > Perhaps we all need to take a moment away from the keyboard and reset our perspectives. I'm doing that just now. > > 73, > > --- Zach > N0ZGO > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at https://mailman.amsat.org

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Re: Forum vs E-Mail list
by Chris Hodgeman 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

OMG - this bickering is unbelievable When I got involved with ham radio almost 45 years ago (I was 14), I was told not to talk about religion, politics, etc, I can't believe how things have changed I joined this group to understand Sats, and I have learned a lot (thanks), but I am on the verge of unsubscribing. I am not interested in hearing people's views on DEI, MAGA, which apps to use etc! I know this is a US-focused site, but many members (like me) aren't American. Some people here are acting like petulant children. No wonder people don't want to be hams THIS IS A HOBBY! MOVE ON Chris VR2ZSS/VK4AX > On 28 Jan 2025, at 10:07 PM, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > On 1/28/25 04:22, Matthew Alberti via AMSAT-BB wrote: >> Another idea for discussion is to migrate to a forum site and sunset the e-mail distributions altogether. > > Hello Matthew, > > I am completely opposed to migrating amsat-bb to a "forum". > > I have a multitude of reasons behind this reaction: > > 1) Content/data should be accessible via many paths, not just a website front-end or an "app". I have yet to see forum software which provides either an IMAP or NNTP protocol interface so that I can use my preferred email client to interact with it. No, I don't want to load yet another gee-whiz app on my phone when my email client works great right now. > > 2) A forum-style system (let's call it a BBS, shall we?) requires far more infrastructure than a simple mailing list. Likewise, the required administrative load goes up with a forum versus an email list. > > 3) We begin to introduce more radio-unfriendly content/features and increase dependence on the commercial Internet. It is my position that we should be _reducing_ our dependence on the Internet (and the associated commercial carriers) for all amateur radio/satellite traffic. This mailing list, along with other AMSAT-related information, should be disseminated using Amateur Radio resources such as our upcoming Pacsat platform. > > 73, > > --- Zach > N0ZGO > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at https://mailman.amsat.org

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Re: Forum vs E-Mail list
by Aiden 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

To your last point, I look at it differently. Having a place where satellite information like this is freely available, and accessible outside of an email list could greatly improve people who are just getting into radio ability to learn about satellites. Times are changing, and we shouldn't fight it. If we don't want the hobby to die, let alone the satellite "sub hobby" I think we should use the changing the changing technology to our advantage. Fighting it is only going to make the hobby less appealing to youths like myself. > On Jan 28, 2025, at 09:08, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > On 1/28/25 04:22, Matthew Alberti via AMSAT-BB wrote: >> Another idea for discussion is to migrate to a forum site and sunset the e-mail distributions altogether. > > Hello Matthew, > > I am completely opposed to migrating amsat-bb to a "forum". > > I have a multitude of reasons behind this reaction: > > 1) Content/data should be accessible via many paths, not just a website front-end or an "app". I have yet to see forum software which provides either an IMAP or NNTP protocol interface so that I can use my preferred email client to interact with it. No, I don't want to load yet another gee-whiz app on my phone when my email client works great right now. > > 2) A forum-style system (let's call it a BBS, shall we?) requires far more infrastructure than a simple mailing list. Likewise, the required administrative load goes up with a forum versus an email list. > > 3) We begin to introduce more radio-unfriendly content/features and increase dependence on the commercial Internet. It is my position that we should be _reducing_ our dependence on the Internet (and the associated commercial carriers) for all amateur radio/satellite traffic. This mailing list, along with other AMSAT-related information, should be disseminated using Amateur Radio resources such as our upcoming Pacsat platform. > > 73, > > --- Zach > N0ZGO > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at https://mailman.amsat.org

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Re: Forum vs E-Mail list
by Sean Kutzko 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

Enough of this BS. I’m out. 73. Sent from the iPhone of Sean, KX9X > On Jan 28, 2025, at 8:07 AM, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > On 1/28/25 04:22, Matthew Alberti via AMSAT-BB wrote: >> Another idea for discussion is to migrate to a forum site and sunset the e-mail distributions altogether. > > Hello Matthew, > > I am completely opposed to migrating amsat-bb to a "forum". > > I have a multitude of reasons behind this reaction: > > 1) Content/data should be accessible via many paths, not just a website front-end or an "app". I have yet to see forum software which provides either an IMAP or NNTP protocol interface so that I can use my preferred email client to interact with it. No, I don't want to load yet another gee-whiz app on my phone when my email client works great right now. > > 2) A forum-style system (let's call it a BBS, shall we?) requires far more infrastructure than a simple mailing list. Likewise, the required administrative load goes up with a forum versus an email list. > > 3) We begin to introduce more radio-unfriendly content/features and increase dependence on the commercial Internet. It is my position that we should be _reducing_ our dependence on the Internet (and the associated commercial carriers) for all amateur radio/satellite traffic. This mailing list, along with other AMSAT-related information, should be disseminated using Amateur Radio resources such as our upcoming Pacsat platform. > > 73, > > --- Zach > N0ZGO > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at https://mailman.amsat.org

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Forum vs E-Mail list
by Zach Metzinger 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

On 1/28/25 04:22, Matthew Alberti via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Another idea for discussion is to migrate to a forum site and sunset the > e-mail distributions altogether. Hello Matthew, I am completely opposed to migrating amsat-bb to a "forum". I have a multitude of reasons behind this reaction: 1) Content/data should be accessible via many paths, not just a website front-end or an "app". I have yet to see forum software which provides either an IMAP or NNTP protocol interface so that I can use my preferred email client to interact with it. No, I don't want to load yet another gee-whiz app on my phone when my email client works great right now. 2) A forum-style system (let's call it a BBS, shall we?) requires far more infrastructure than a simple mailing list. Likewise, the required administrative load goes up with a forum versus an email list. 3) We begin to introduce more radio-unfriendly content/features and increase dependence on the commercial Internet. It is my position that we should be _reducing_ our dependence on the Internet (and the associated commercial carriers) for all amateur radio/satellite traffic. This mailing list, along with other AMSAT-related information, should be disseminated using Amateur Radio resources such as our upcoming Pacsat platform. 73, --- Zach N0ZGO

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Re: Is it time for AMSAT to adopt a code of conduct?
by kc4qlp 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

A few things.... One, it is a shame that an entire thread has been dedicated to this topic due to one posters comment followed by a few unnecessary political comments. Like amateur radio, the general acceptable "rule" should follow here and that is to keep politics out of the conversation -period-. There is no need to stir up such a topic and should really never result in what has lead up to now in this forum. Just post some "rules"/guide lines, deal with the ones that stirred up the hornets nest and move on. Two, I and a bunch of others are here to learn about what is going on with satellites, the new ones and the old ones and learn how everyone else is working those birds. That's IT, nothing more. I've been able to follow scheds of the old TEVEL birds, follow the launch and setup of the new birds thanks to the email forum. I and perhaps others do not have the time to log into a website, look at the post and whatever else. The email list makes getting the notifications fast and easy. Being able to read or not read emails on various topics using this method is faster and easier. I vote for keeping the email list and enough of over complicating the rules and guidelines of the forum and enough beating a dead horse already. Myself, like many others are here for AMSAT related "stuff", not this. If -this- continues, I will simply unsubscribe and not be back to this list or whatever is created afterwards. Remember, we're all radio amateurs looking to have fun, experiment and communicate. We are not here to squabble like a bunch of old ladies in a bingo hall. That is all, 73 KC4QLP ---- On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 07:07:15 -0500 amsat-bb(a)amsat.org wrote ---- > Hi Matthew, > > > Thanks for providing the direct link. To remind the list subscribers, the AUP > is mentioned in the footer of every email, with a link to the AMSAT webpage > where the AUP document (and others) is listed and available for download. > It’s a bit wordy but does give reasonable insight on what is and isn’t > acceptable on this list. > > > Personally. I’m old school (and just old ;) ) and like the email list. Heh. > > > 73, > > > Mark L. Hammond [N8MH] > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 5:22 AM Matthew Alberti via AMSAT-BB > wrote: > > > There is an existing "Acceptable Use Policy". I actually reviewed it > > yesterday in preparation for sending a reminder note about following it. It > > was updated in 2019 and only in PDF format. It could use an update and > > posting in a more easily consumed format (like a web page). It's on the list > > for the IT Team. However, I will also review the Post Open project and see > > if we can include that as well. > > > > > > The existing Acceptable Use Policy is > > here[https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/AMSAT_AUP_0…, > > which does currently link directly to the PDF, so it will likely download > > for you automatically. Again, maybe not the best way to make that > > information easy to find. We will work on it. > > > > > > Another idea for discussion is to migrate to a forum site and sunset the > > e-mail distributions altogether. > > > > > > Matthew Alberti (KM4EXS) > > AMSAT IT Team > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 7:40 AM John Kopala via AMSAT-BB > > wrote: > > > > > "Educate, don't Legislate." > > > John Kopala > > > N7JK > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 4:14 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Actually that was some of the reason, Tim, that I wrote this. Some open > > > > source projects had decidedly liberal codes of conduct. And the effect > > > > of some of those terms was to censure people based on outside political > > > > activity, and impose a particular viewpoint on the project. And it was > > > > a software project and just should have been a software project. So I > > > > tried to come up with one that didn't do that. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 14:36 Tim Campbell > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand your desire here. But just to show the flip side.... > > > > > > > > > > I have seen limits and "demands" in groups like this cause splintering > > > > > of the group. The result is a splitting of the people and knowledge. > > > > > Folks in the middle tend to then have to join multiple groups in order > > > > > to still have access to ALL of the knowledge. Sounds like a split in > > > > > the local ham club(s). > > > > > > > > > > I agree politics doesn't belong generally in ham radio and many Hams > > > > > are not interested in politics of the USA. > > > > > > > > > > However, I do know how to filter my emails and use the delete key. > > > > > This seems the best route to me in order to accommodate everyone. > > > > > > > > > > Just my .02 cents. > > > > > 73, > > > > > Tim KB2MFS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 16:05 Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As I explain in the section about "what about my free speech > > > > > > right?". There were a couple of things that went into this it might > > > > > > not be immediately obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all there were some serious personal contact issues in open > > > > > > source conferences, and in businesses I've been associated with. > > > > > > Things that messed up careers, and had a serious effect on business > > > > > > and investments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the assumptions is that there would be government relations, > > > > > > and we're working with a pharmaceutical foundation right now - > > > > > > because software is a big part of genetic research - that also has > > > > > > some serious regulations on it. And it seemed that the very best way > > > > > > to handle the issues was to take a number of subjects and firmly > > > > > > place them out of bounds, while leaving a carve out for free speech > > > > > > that is somewhat distanced from the rest of the organization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yeah, you definitely got roped in. But that's because we all > > > > > > have really strong feelings and it is hard to just look the other > > > > > > way sometimes. I was hoping that a really crisp structure would help > > > > > > some people deal with that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 12:40 Clint Bradford > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But non-government-run entities can be much more blatant about > > > > > > > alleged “free speech rights” - There are NO guarantees of “free > > > > > > > speech” in groups like these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People like to cite the First Amendment to the Constitution as > > > > > > > their permission to spout. But what are the first words of that > > > > > > > Amendment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “Congress shall make no law … “ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clint K6LCS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 2025, at 11:28 AM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see the code of conduct I designed for the Post Open > > > > > > > > project ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org]. AMSAT-NA makes this > > > > > > open forum available > > > > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > > > > > > Opinions expressed > > > > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > > > > > > views of AMSAT-NA. > > > > > > Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at > > > > > > https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/[https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/] > > > > > > > > > > > > View archives of this mailing list at > > > > > > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected][https://mailma… > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > > > > amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org] > > > > > > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at > > > > > > https://mailman.amsat.org[https://mailman.amsat.org] > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org]. AMSAT-NA makes this > > > > open forum available > > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > > > > Opinions expressed > > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > > > AMSAT-NA. > > > > Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at > > > > https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/[https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/] > > > > > > > > View archives of this mailing list at > > > > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected][https://mailma… > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > > amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org] > > > > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at > > > > https://mailman.amsat.org[https://mailman.amsat.org] > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org]. AMSAT-NA makes this open > > > forum available > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > > > expressed > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > > AMSAT-NA. > > > Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at > > > https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/[https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/] > > > > > > View archives of this mailing list at > > > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected][https://mailma… > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org] > > > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at > > > https://mailman.amsat.org[https://mailman.amsat.org] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org]. AMSAT-NA makes this open > > forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at > > https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/[https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/] > > > > View archives of this mailing list at > > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected][https://mailma… > > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org[http://amsat.org] > > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at > > https://mailman.amsat.org[https://mailman.amsat.org] > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at > https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at > https://mailman.amsat.org

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Re: Is it time for AMSAT to adopt a code of conduct?
by Mark L. Hammond 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

Hi Matthew, Thanks for providing the direct link. To remind the list subscribers, the AUP is mentioned in the footer of every email, with a link to the AMSAT webpage where the AUP document (and others) is listed and available for download. It’s a bit wordy but does give reasonable insight on what is and isn’t acceptable on this list. Personally. I’m old school (and just old ;) ) and like the email list. Heh. 73, Mark L. Hammond [N8MH] On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 5:22 AM Matthew Alberti via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > There is an existing "Acceptable Use Policy". I actually reviewed it > yesterday in preparation for sending a reminder note about following it. It > was updated in 2019 and only in PDF format. It could use an update and > posting in a more easily consumed format (like a web page). It's on the > list for the IT Team. However, I will also review the Post Open project and > see if we can include that as well. > > The existing Acceptable Use Policy is here > <https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/AMSAT_AUP_061819…>, > which does currently link directly to the PDF, so it will likely download > for you automatically. Again, maybe not the best way to make that > information easy to find. We will work on it. > > Another idea for discussion is to migrate to a forum site and sunset the > e-mail distributions altogether. > > Matthew Alberti (KM4EXS) > AMSAT IT Team > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 7:40 AM John Kopala via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > >> "Educate, don't Legislate." >> John Kopala >> N7JK >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 4:14 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB < >> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: >> >>> Actually that was some of the reason, Tim, that I wrote this. Some open >>> source projects had decidedly liberal codes of conduct. And the effect of >>> some of those terms was to censure people based on outside political >>> activity, and impose a particular viewpoint on the project. And it was a >>> software project and just should have been a software project. So I tried >>> to come up with one that didn't do that. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 14:36 Tim Campbell <kb2mfs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I understand your desire here. But just to show the flip side.... >>>> >>>> I have seen limits and "demands" in groups like this cause splintering >>>> of the group. The result is a splitting of the people and knowledge. >>>> Folks in the middle tend to then have to join multiple groups in order to >>>> still have access to ALL of the knowledge. Sounds like a split in the >>>> local ham club(s). >>>> >>>> I agree politics doesn't belong generally in ham radio and many Hams >>>> are not interested in politics of the USA. >>>> >>>> However, I do know how to filter my emails and use the delete key. >>>> This seems the best route to me in order to accommodate everyone. >>>> >>>> Just my .02 cents. >>>> 73, >>>> Tim KB2MFS >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 16:05 Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB < >>>> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As I explain in the section about "what about my free speech right?". >>>>> There were a couple of things that went into this it might not be >>>>> immediately obvious. >>>>> >>>>> First of all there were some serious personal contact issues in open >>>>> source conferences, and in businesses I've been associated with. Things >>>>> that messed up careers, and had a serious effect on business and >>>>> investments. >>>>> >>>>> One of the assumptions is that there would be government relations, >>>>> and we're working with a pharmaceutical foundation right now - because >>>>> software is a big part of genetic research - that also has some serious >>>>> regulations on it. And it seemed that the very best way to handle the >>>>> issues was to take a number of subjects and firmly place them out of >>>>> bounds, while leaving a carve out for free speech that is somewhat >>>>> distanced from the rest of the organization. >>>>> >>>>> And yeah, you definitely got roped in. But that's because we all have >>>>> really strong feelings and it is hard to just look the other way sometimes. >>>>> I was hoping that a really crisp structure would help some people deal with >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 12:40 Clint Bradford <clintbradford(a)mac.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Quite interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>> But non-government-run entities can be much more blatant about >>>>>> alleged “free speech rights” - There are NO guarantees of “free speech” in >>>>>> groups like these. >>>>>> >>>>>> People like to cite the First Amendment to the Constitution as their >>>>>> permission to spout. But what are the first words of that Amendment? >>>>>> >>>>>> “Congress shall make no law … “ >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint K6LCS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 27, 2025, at 11:28 AM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB < >>>>>> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Please see the code of conduct I designed for the Post Open project >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum >>>>> available >>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>>>> Opinions expressed >>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >>>>> of AMSAT-NA. >>>>> Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at >>>>> https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ >>>>> >>>>> View archives of this mailing list at >>>>> https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org >>>>> Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at >>>>> https://mailman.amsat.org >>>> >>>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at >>> https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ >>> >>> View archives of this mailing list at >>> https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org >>> Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at >>> https://mailman.amsat.org >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. 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Re: Is it time for AMSAT to adopt a code of conduct?
by Matthew Alberti 28 Jan '25

28 Jan '25

There is an existing "Acceptable Use Policy". I actually reviewed it yesterday in preparation for sending a reminder note about following it. It was updated in 2019 and only in PDF format. It could use an update and posting in a more easily consumed format (like a web page). It's on the list for the IT Team. However, I will also review the Post Open project and see if we can include that as well. The existing Acceptable Use Policy is here <https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/AMSAT_AUP_061819…>, which does currently link directly to the PDF, so it will likely download for you automatically. Again, maybe not the best way to make that information easy to find. We will work on it. Another idea for discussion is to migrate to a forum site and sunset the e-mail distributions altogether. Matthew Alberti (KM4EXS) AMSAT IT Team On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 7:40 AM John Kopala via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > "Educate, don't Legislate." > John Kopala > N7JK > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 4:14 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > >> Actually that was some of the reason, Tim, that I wrote this. Some open >> source projects had decidedly liberal codes of conduct. And the effect of >> some of those terms was to censure people based on outside political >> activity, and impose a particular viewpoint on the project. And it was a >> software project and just should have been a software project. So I tried >> to come up with one that didn't do that. >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 14:36 Tim Campbell <kb2mfs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I understand your desire here. But just to show the flip side.... >>> >>> I have seen limits and "demands" in groups like this cause splintering >>> of the group. The result is a splitting of the people and knowledge. >>> Folks in the middle tend to then have to join multiple groups in order to >>> still have access to ALL of the knowledge. Sounds like a split in the >>> local ham club(s). >>> >>> I agree politics doesn't belong generally in ham radio and many Hams are >>> not interested in politics of the USA. >>> >>> However, I do know how to filter my emails and use the delete key. This >>> seems the best route to me in order to accommodate everyone. >>> >>> Just my .02 cents. >>> 73, >>> Tim KB2MFS >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 16:05 Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB < >>> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: >>> >>>> As I explain in the section about "what about my free speech right?". >>>> There were a couple of things that went into this it might not be >>>> immediately obvious. >>>> >>>> First of all there were some serious personal contact issues in open >>>> source conferences, and in businesses I've been associated with. Things >>>> that messed up careers, and had a serious effect on business and >>>> investments. >>>> >>>> One of the assumptions is that there would be government relations, and >>>> we're working with a pharmaceutical foundation right now - because software >>>> is a big part of genetic research - that also has some serious regulations >>>> on it. And it seemed that the very best way to handle the issues was to >>>> take a number of subjects and firmly place them out of bounds, while >>>> leaving a carve out for free speech that is somewhat distanced from the >>>> rest of the organization. >>>> >>>> And yeah, you definitely got roped in. But that's because we all have >>>> really strong feelings and it is hard to just look the other way sometimes. >>>> I was hoping that a really crisp structure would help some people deal with >>>> that. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 12:40 Clint Bradford <clintbradford(a)mac.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Quite interesting. >>>>> >>>>> But non-government-run entities can be much more blatant about alleged >>>>> “free speech rights” - There are NO guarantees of “free speech” in groups >>>>> like these. >>>>> >>>>> People like to cite the First Amendment to the Constitution as their >>>>> permission to spout. But what are the first words of that Amendment? >>>>> >>>>> “Congress shall make no law … “ >>>>> >>>>> Clint K6LCS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 27, 2025, at 11:28 AM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB < >>>>> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Please see the code of conduct I designed for the Post Open project ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>>> Opinions expressed >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >>>> of AMSAT-NA. >>>> Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at >>>> https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ >>>> >>>> View archives of this mailing list at >>>> https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org >>>> Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at >>>> https://mailman.amsat.org >>> >>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at >> https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ >> >> View archives of this mailing list at >> https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org >> Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at >> https://mailman.amsat.org > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 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