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DM19 Activated Aug 17
by Mark Spencer 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

I will activate grid DM19 (smack in the middle of NV) on August 17th during the 2130Z AO27 pass (approximate). (It must be a rare grid because even WD9EWK says he needs the grid!) There is a ghost town out there that I will visit on my way to AZ. I'll be on my HT and an ARROW. If you need a QSL for the contact, just send me an e-mail, I'll confirm with the log and send you a card. No need for SASE or return card. I have a shameless request. I only need New Hampshire to complete my WAS satellite. Anyone in NH interested in setting up a schedule on any bird, any mode? I have a granite challenge to me east (a mountain) that limits the pass opportunities to reach the east coast, but I know I can because I have confirmed contacts with the rest of New England. Hope the DM19 grid will increase your totals. 73, Mark Mark Spencer, WA8SME ARRL-The national association for Amateur Radio Education and Technology Program Coordinator mspencer(a)arrl.org http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/ 530-495-9150

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Re: Suitsat 2 to ISS ( don't care )
by Randy 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

I keep hearing that it is dead ( the thread ), but someone it keeps going .. :( ""Either we make history, or we complain about it. The choice is ours! This thread is dead!"" Cant speak for everyone, but I think its gone waaay past the dead horse Stage. And is not doing much for the list as when I see anymore posts On it I just skip over it.. Can we please let it go and agree to disagree? v/r Randy - N2CUA

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PE1RAH Linear Transponder at JARL Ham Fair
by Tim - N3TL 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Hey everyone, If you're interested in seeing the linear transponder that William, PE1RAH, displayed in Tokyo, you can see it here: http://www.onjapan.net/2009/hamfair/img_3659.jpg 73 to all, Tim - N3TL

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Azimute pointer on a G-5600 gives a wrond value
by PE0SAT 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Hello thanks for reading, I recently acquired a Yaesu G-5600 and experience the following: When I turn the azimuth antenna, then the pointer gives an other value than when I don't turn the antenna. It lookes that the load on the powersupply causes the pointer to indicate a different value then when there is no load. Is this a known problem? And is there a way to solve this problem? Thanks in advance, PE0SAT - Jan

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AO27 life expectancy
by John Geiger 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Given that AO27 is 16 years old, how much more life are we expected to get out of it? Have their been any estimates or predictions made recently? 73s John AA5JG EM04to

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Activation of EM91, EM96, EM98, & EM99
by rick.k8gi＠gmail.com 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Hi folks. If anyone is interested, I am going to activate the following grids on an upcoming trip: 08/28/09, 1840Z SO-50 EM98-EM99 (WV) 08/28/09, 1935Z AO-27 EM99 (WV) 08/28/09, 2308Z AO-51 EM96 (VA) The only reasons I can think of why I won't be "there" are traffic-related. :<( During the period 08/30 through 09/11 I'll be in EM91 (GA) and will try to activate that grid a couple of times while there. E-mail me if you need that grid and I'll send out a private message to give the interested parties the "heads-up." QSLing: If I already have your card from the QTH where you work me, I don't need another one. If not, kindly send me yours via mail. The only time I need a SASE is if *you* require one from others. Otherwise, if I don't need your card, just send me an e-mail with the QSO data (including the grid from which where I worked your stn) and I'll be pleased to drop mine in the snail-mail to you! I'll mail the QSL cards no later than the week of 09/14/09. 73! Rick 'GI

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Alinco DJ-G7T programming cable
by Alan P. Biddle 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Hi, Sometime back, while my rig was on back order, I asked if anyone had used Icom programming cables with it. My rig finally arrived, as did shortly thereafter new firmware and most recently a memory cloning program. With that, I have been able to test both the Icom OPC-478 and the RT Systems CT-29A cables. (Both need a stereo 3.5 mm to 2.5 mm adapter, plus the EDS-10 adapter which breaks out the Alinco connector to separate microphone and earphone connectors.) In both cases, I have found that they work perfectly for both memory management and firmware upgrade. If you already have a similar cable, you can probably get by with a $4 adapter from RS rather than a new $55 cable. Unfortunately, the DJ-G7T is not so far proving to be an adequate satellite rig, but that is another issue. Alan WA4SCA

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downconverter and tracking
by Jerry 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

I have a Drake downconverter with a patch feed for 2.4 Ghz I used it every day on AO- 40 I also have a AEA ST-1 tracking system If interested contact me off line. Jerry w0sat W0sat(a)msn.com

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HRD+FT-847+G5500 need usb controler
by Raul Romero 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

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High LEO for cubesat?
by Bruce Robertson 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Much of the debate on the board here arises from our common desire to see the launching of satellites with a larger footprint. A fine analysis of one approach to this is the video and ppt of David, G0MRF, discussing his ideas for a bird that reaches the financial sweet spot, between LEO and HEO, a 'middle earth orbit, or MEO. http://www.batc.tv/vod/AMSAT-UK_MEO.flv and http://www.uk.amsat.org/2009/2c_Bowman-MEO.pdf He points out that a bird at 7000 km altitude is beyond the inner radiation belt and yet has a pass duration of 90 minutes and a footprint diameter of over 13,000 km. Here's the great thing, though: it is possible to do an orbital transfer from LEO to MEO. David points out some difficulties, though: VLSI electronics components are not as tolerant of radiation than others, and the attitude control of the second burn might be tricky. Another approach (also gleaned from David's rich harvest), which would be even more simple, and perhaps within the realm of a 3x cubesat, would be to raise a typical cubesat from its 650km altitude to the 1400km or so that has made AO-7 so popular. An elliptical orbit, requiring only one 'burn' might even be seen as an advantage. As David says, it would allow for the bird eventually to be deorbited, but it would also mean that periodically the bird could be used with very simple antennas for local communications, and on other occasions would require a better groundstation affording a wider footprint.Using DH2VA's propulsion spreasheet, I see that delta_v for one half of a Hohmann Transfer Orbit from 650 to 1500 is 212 m/sec ish. Since my understanding of the HTO is that it comprises two burns, one creating an ellipse, the second turning that ellipse into a circle, I've assumed that that number is about right for an elliptical orbit with the final altitude. Using David's http://g0mrf.com/MEOSAT.htm, I gather that the Isp of a cold-gas thruster is about 60 sec, which should be enough to get the necessary delta_v above. And then there's the transponder. With William PE1RAH's transponder board in hand, and the work about to be done on FUNCUBE (not to mention Delfi C3 and NE3T), we should have a very good idea of what can be achieved with linear transponders in small LEO vessels. With one or two of the cubes dedicated to thrust, we'd have lots of solar panel area. What about a software transponder vs. hardware transponder shootout with respect to volume and power requirements? Could a software transponder include the modulation/demod of a suitable digital mode, allowing less elaborate stations to work the bird at apogee? Anyway, that's the sort of fun one can have with the materials that David has provided. >From a promotional standpoint, a project that aims to provide the functionality of AO-7 could highlight the remarkable success of that bird and at the same time point out the new opportunities and challenges in space. 73, Bruce VE9QRP

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Re: lvb tracker circuit -- xtal?
by Stefano Simonetti 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Thanks Allen, my unit is not really a new unit that does not run, it is a homebrewed unit on a what we call "1000 fori" board (a board with holes that you have to wire). Today I changed Xtal with a 4.433.... and tried the in circuit programming (picprog procedure). Finally, when I understood how the reset button must be used, I succeeded in program the pic. Rs232 communication seems to answer something to the command C+ENTER, but what I receive are characters without sense. At this point I think the only thing wrong is the not exact frequency of my XTAL. No LCD yet. I add also Howard to email, in case he would be so kindly to comment even on a homebrewed LVB board. Ciao, Stefano. ________________________________ Da: Allen Fugelseth <allen(a)cruzio.com> A: Stefano Simonetti <iw1rdz(a)yahoo.it> Inviato: Lunedì 24 agosto 2009, 1:37:19 Oggetto: RE: [amsat-bb] lvb tracker circuit -- xtal? I don't know. I had a problem with mine not working after I upgraded it. I had an earlier revision and I wanted to upgrade it to the latest and greatest. I sent the PIC and the revised hex file from G6LVB on his web page. to a friend. My friend has the capability to program PICs. He reprogrammed it, but the circuit wouldn't work. It wouldn't oscillate. So I wrote to G6LVB describing my problem and he sent back what I sent to you. In my case I had a working unit, but I broke it with the new upgraded version hex code. G6LVB sent me the additional code as I sent to you. My friend added the code and the PIC worked. I think the main problem was that the oscillator input to the PIC wasn't set. Apparently it must be done in the first four bits sent to the PIC. This gets the PIC clock input receiving the clocking signal and the PIC runs. The PIC can be configured to use an xtal, RC, and one or two other clock inputs. With the xtal the PIC can be configured to provide an oscillator with the 4 MHZ xtal. I could ask my friend what FPW=on is. I am not any kind of an expert here. I have learned all of this by talking with smart people. I had to go to G6LVB. Don't be afraid to email him and inquire. He seems to be a friendly guy and willing to help. I take it that your unit is new and hasn't worked yet. My friend is Harold Hallikainen, WA6FDN. He is at Hallikainen.org. He is another nice guy. He is one of my resources for knowledge of these things. Harold programmed my PIC externally. Howard expected these to be programmed with his software, but I don't remember why I originally didn't program it that way. Maybe I couldn't get it to work for me. Harold priginally programmed my PIC. I believe we also had the configure problem then also. I remember trying diffrent xtals and maybe capacitors. The prblem turned out to be these first four configuration bits. If you take a look at the data sheet for the PIC I think you will find something about these config bits. I/m sorry that I could not have been more help here. 73, Allen WB6RWU -----Original Message----- >From: Stefano Simonetti [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:54 PM >To: Allen Fugelseth >Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] lvb tracker circuit -- xtal? > > >thanks Allen, I tried now with the configuration you wrote. > >In IC-PROG I've set: > >Osc: XT >Write enable: WRT OFF >Fuses: >WDT:disable >PWRT (Power up timer):enable (this you call PUT) >Boden:disable (this is BOD) >LVP: disable >CPD (code protection data):disable (this is data EE prot) >CP (code protection): disable >BDM (background debugger mode): disable (this is BDG) > >But what is FPW=on ? I could not find in IC-Prog, even if at the end, with this configuration, IC-prog gave the exact config word: 3F31. > >Now, the cases are 2: > >1) there is a big mistake in my circuit, apart the xtal, that I cannot see... >2) FPW that I did not recognize in Ic-prog, makes the difference, even if the configuration word is exact (strange I think). > >What do you think? > >Stefano. > > > ________________________________ Da: Allen Fugelseth <allen(a)cruzio.com> >A: Stefano Simonetti <iw1rdz(a)yahoo.it> >Inviato: Domenica 23 agosto 2009, 0:48:09 >Oggetto: RE: [amsat-bb] lvb tracker circuit -- xtal? > >I had this problem. The problem was at the begining of the program in the >first instruction, the program needs to tell the PIC to use a xtal osc as a >clock sourece. The PIC will use maybe four kinds of time bases. RC. xtal, >etc. A ham friend was programing the PCI externally for me and I had to go >to Howard to get a solution. The following is what he told me. After my >friend WA6FDN added some code, the PIC worked fine. > >Hi Allen. > >Normally, you don't program it with a PIC programmer, it is programmed in >situ using the picprog.exe program on my website >http://www.g6lvb.com/Articles/LVBTracker/PicProg.exe and run from the >command line of a Windows PC using a real (not USB emulated) serial port. >This sets the correct configuration bits: way back in 2001?? When I >originally did the tracker, there was no Hex file example provided by >Microchip that included the config bits, so I hard wired them in the >programmer. > >If you really do want to program the PIC outside of the tracker, then the >correct bits to set are: > > // Osc=XT, WDT off, PUT on, BOD off, LVP off, FPW on, DBG off, data >EE prot off, CodeProt off > au16Data[0x2007]=0x3F31; > >[stolen form the picprog.c source code!] > >I hope this helps you. >Allen WB6RWU > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]]On >Behalf Of Stefano Simonetti >Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:45 PM >To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org >Subject: [amsat-bb] lvb tracker circuit -- xtal? > > >Hi, I have problems in making the LVB tracker circuit run. > >I have built the LVB tracker ver. PCB v1.2, Firmware v0.7, Programmer v0.2, >Documentation v1.9, 7 Dec 2004, by G6LVB. > >The firmware was flashed successfully with IC-PROG v 1.06B, a >homebrewed interface for LPT, and an old PC with LPT1 running win98. > >The LVB circuit requires a 4 MHz XTAL for the PIC 16F876A. > >I tried with a 10MHz, and a 3,5795MHz as I haven't a 4MHz. No success. No >LCD, no serial communication at all. > >Does anybody know if the problem could be in having installed a >different xtal (i.e.: does the firmware takes care about the frequency of >the clock?)? > >Regards, Stefano Simonetti (IW1RDZ) - Italy. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > >

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23Cm Up converter
by IK1ZQJ Mario 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Hello Folks, To work in uplink on the L band without a dedicated radio able to transmit at 1269MHz an upconverter is needed, probably with if input is in 70cm. Someone can suggest me how to use or build? I'm analyzing this way to save money instead of the station upgrade with a new radio. Thank you in advance. Mario IK1ZQJ

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For sell: Kenwood TS-790A with 1.2ghz and extras
by R. Chastain 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Hi all, I'm selling my Kenwood TS-790A with 1.2ghz module, voice module, matching SP-31 external speaker, and (NIB) IF-232 computer module. I'm basically selling most of my gear due to failing health. Great full duplex satellite rig! I have the original box for the radio but I'm not sure if I have the speaker box. I do have the manual but it's a bit dog eared from use. Sorry, but I will not seperate the package. Cosmetically, I would rate the radio an 8+ on a scale of 10 only because of a very small scratch on the far right side of the display. If you didn't know it was there you wouldn't know it. It's really not worth mentioning but I try to decribe everything the best I can. Also the plastic carrying handle on the side has been romoved by a previous owner. The screws are still there but the handle has been removed. Electrically, the radio is a 10. NO problems whatsoever. It meets or exceeds all manufacturers ratings. Will sell all for $1300.00 plus shipping. Thanks for looking, RoD

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Alinco DJ-580 charger, Mr. Stenzel's message
by Earl Deason 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Hi, I was searching Google for the EDC-24 Alinco charger, and your message below came up. So happens, my DJ-580T EDC-24 charger has failed, and I can't find one anywhere. All I need is the trickle charger, and new chargers are > $50. If it still works, I will pay postage plus $10 for your trouble. Do you still have it? Thanks, Earl Deason K4YTK Huntsville, Alabama p.s.- my message to Leroy Stenzel has bounced, so trying to reach him thru AMSAT contact. thanks Leroy Stenzel lstenzel at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 16 08:52:09 PDT 2009 • Previous message: [amsat-bb] Re: CP6 Decoding • Next message: [amsat-bb] Garmin GPS12 data and power cable • Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] My Alinco DJ-580 met with a terrible accident and is no longer with us. Seriously, the radio was destroyed in a freak mishap. I have the following accessories that I will send to you free if you can use them: Alinco EDC-43 12-volt power cable assembly Alinco EDC-24 battery charger for ni-cad batteries Alinco floor plate (battery cover) for use when operating the radio without batteries EarTalk remote microphone and earpiece with PTT for the DJ-580 I will send to the first request I receive - respond direct to me - not thru BB. I'll let you know when they are gone.

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KCT Card
by Peter Gibson 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Hi Have a KCT Card with tuner looking for a new home With box, manual and disk. Thanks for reading Pete

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unknown signal?
by n4csitwo＠bellsouth.net 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

I was just monitoring a signal at 435.795 MHz +/- doppler, that I can't identify. It seems to be some sort of modulated carrier. Does anyone know which satellite this might be? It lasted from about 18:45 UTC until 18:56 UTC. Dave, AA4KN

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Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
by Daniel Schultz 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

The worldwide amateur radio community must interface with one unified voice to the various space agencies that form the ISS partnership. The ARISS organization, whatever its flaws may be, was created by the efforts of a lot of hard working hams in many countries to provide that interface. Without it ham radio would have no access to the manned space program, and as a child of the 1960's who grew up with the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions, I am thrilled that we hams have such access. I could easily imagine a world where this was not allowed. The fact that we are able to launch anything to the ISS, given the astronomical value of every kilogram of payload mass on the Progress or the Shuttle, and every minute of astronaut and cosmonaut time on orbit, is truly amazing. The recent complaints on the BB remind me of the hams who bash the ARRL without understanding that without the ARRL, amateur radio would have been abolished long ago by the powers that be. We hams need to understand that whatever disagreements exist between us are not nearly as serious as the external threats to our amateur radio avocation. Whatever your beef is, please work within the organization to make it better, and not tear it down in public view. Writing “open letters” addressed to the world’s space agencies is not helpful to this effort or to your fellow hams. Moving on another amsat-bb thread, AO-40 was designed and built to take advantage of what turned out to be a once in a lifetime opportunity to launch a very large amateur payload into geosynchronous transfer orbit. Had we chosen not to build it, I can imagine lots of people complaining on amsat-bb about how Amsat management had dropped the ball and squandered an amazing launch opportunity. The presence of exotic transponders on AO-40 is not what caused its failure. The 24 GHz payload was contributed by an Amsat member organization and was built because they believed strongly enough in its value that they committed their effort and their funds to get it built. There were transponders on AO-40 to serve every interest, from VHF to UHF to S-band to millimeter wave. Hams MUST push their technical limits and explore new frontiers, it is one of the reasons amateur radio still exists. Critics cried about the "complexity" of the S-band downlink and then some clever hams took some cheap off the shelf TV down converters, made some slight mods to retune the input frequency, and got a lot of hams active with 2.4 GHz receive capability for very little money. I agree with the letter in this month's QST (September issue, page 24), suggesting that those who complain that the amateur radio has gotten "too technical" might better enjoy reading People Magazine instead. Dan Schultz N8FGV

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TM-D710A VFO tuning question
by Jeff Yanko 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Hi all, If anybody is using the Kenwood TM-D710A dual band radio for FM satellite use, please contact me off -BB. I have a couple of questions. 73, Jeff WB3JFS Las Vegas, NV DM26

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symposium schedule inquiry
by Joseph Armbruster 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

I'm considering attending the Amsat symposium this year for the first time. From this website, it looks as if the main dates are from 9-11: http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/symposium/2009/index.php I am trying to plan out the dates I will attend but i'm not clear as to what is happening on each day. When will the official presentations / talks schedule be posted? Thank You, Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO

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S Band Activity 08/2009
by John Papay 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Many of you have no idea what goes on when AO51 is in the S band downlink mode. Until this past week, I was in the dark as well. Who operates S band and what is it like compared to the more popular V/U mode? What kind of equipment does it take to get on S band. If you don't have S Band equipment, should you invest in some? Are you going to work anybody new or perhaps a new grid? After a week of making q's and listening to 29 passes of S band, there is some data and observations to share. A lot of people are using the K5GNA setup. My setup was quite different. The antenna used was a Hyperlink Technologies (now L-Com in Florida) 18dbi Wifi Panel Antenna. It is well made and comes with stainless mounting hardware including a 2-1/2" U-bolt that will fit most any mast. It's about 2" thick and 14"x9" rectangular. Price is $50, not bad for a well made weatherproof outdoor antenna. The Down East Microwave preamp kit and outdoor housing for it is about $85. The outdoor box is as expensive as the preamp kit itself. It was mounted on the antenna with a 7' 9913 pigtail. The 45' of coax into the shack is 3/8" Andrew Heliax. In the shack is a Drake 2880 down converter with a new crystal from G0MRF to get the output on 145 MHz. Both the preamp and the downconverter are powered through the coax so you need two power inserters. I used a second radio for the IF so that there was no chance of transmitting into the downconverter. Doppler is about =/- 55 KHz from horizon to horizon. You can see what it looks like on the tower on my qrz.com page. Click the image to enlarge. At first I was disappointed because I am used to hearing 435.300 down to the horizon in most directions. It didn't happen with S-band. But after listening to other stations, it was apparent that my setup was hearing better than most. There has been discussion about the slow roll of AO51 and that is certainly apparent, however, I could not hear much below 6 degrees, ever. Maybe a bigger antenna would help out, but those that were active didn't seem to have any better receive capabilities so it makes you wonder. Now for the activity data. Below is each pass that I operated or listened to and the stations I worked (with an asterisk) or ones that I just heard (no asterisk). 8/16/2009 2245Z (first S-Band mode pass) KC9ELU* KJ4MC KD8CAO* 8/17/2009 0036Z KC9ELU* N6PAA W7LRD 8/17/2009 1053Z KC9ELU* 8/17/2009 1234Z VE2DWE* KC9ELU* KD8CAO* KB2M* W8KHP N5ZNL* 8/17/2009 2359Z W8KHP* N5ZNL* VE2DWE* W7JPI* K5WH* W7LRD* K9QHO* 8/18/2009 1151Z WB8OTH* W7JPI* N5ZNL* W8KHP* 8/18/2009 1331Z K9QHO* W7JPI* 8/18/2009 2128Z WB8OTH* KC9ELU* W8KHP 8/18/2009 2305Z W7JPI* KC9ELU N0JY* W8KHP* N5ZNL K9QHO KD6IRE? XE2BHL 8/19/2009 1116Z KC9ELU 8/19/2009 1252Z WB8OTH* XE2BHL* KC9ELU* 8/19/2009 2230Z W8KHP* VE2DWE* 8/20/2009 0006Z N5ZNL/P* N5UXT* N0JY* VE2DWE* W8KHP* WB8OTH W7LRD* 8/20/2009 1213Z KC9ELU* KB2M* W8KHP* N5UXT* N5ZNL 8/20/2009 1353Z AI7W* W7JPI* KC9ELU WB6QVU? 8/20/2009 2153Z NO STATIONS HEARD 8/20/2009 2326Z W7JPI W8KHP K9QHO W7LRD WHISTLER 8/21/2009 0111Z 2 DEGREE PASS, NOTHING HEARD 8/21/2009 1145Z N5ZNL* KB2M* 8/21/2009 1314Z KC9ELU* N5UXT* W7JPI* 8/21/2009 2246Z KG4ZLB* WB8OTH* N0JY* W8KHP* AK5V* 8/22/2009 0029Z AK5V* KB2M N0JY* W7LRD* 8/22/2009 1053Z KC9ELU* KB2M* 8/22/2009 1234Z KC9ELU* W7JPI* K8KHP* 8/22/2009 2207Z KC9ELU* 8/22/2009 2347Z WA5KBH* WD9EWK* N5ZNL* XE2BHL* KC9ELU* 8/23/2009 1156Z W2NBJ* KC9ELU* WA4SCA* 8/23/2009 1332Z KC9ELU* W7JPI* N5UXT* XE2BHL 8/23/2009 2127Z KC9ELU* N1RCN* Mike, KC9ELU was on vacation this past week and was the most active station on S-Band. It was interesting to compare our reception and have airtime to discuss it. The only new guys I'm aware of were myself and N1RCN who got things working on the very last S-Band pass. Drew, where were you? Some have been asking for more S Band, but if you take a look at the activity, it pales in comparison to what we have in the V/U mode. The last AO51 V/U pass tonight (8/25/2009 0007Z max elevation 17 degrees to the west for me) had at least 23 stations on it. More were trying. It's a Monday night! I never heard more than 8 stations on any S-Band pass, and there were plenty with just one, two or three. If you have AO40 equipment laying around, you might be a good candidate for S band. But unless you are prepared for a very high dollar investment/qso, you probably won't be buying S-Band equipment to work the few stations that get on that mode. If you want to do L/S, there will most likely be even less activity since making noise on 1.2GHz is even more expensive. (When L/S comes on, I'll have another report.) My antenna system could be improved but there's not much point in spending more effort and putting more windload on the az/el rotor to hear down to the horizon. We need to balance the interests of everyone and that is understood. We need some V/S or L/S from time to time. I'm not sure, however, that an entire week should be devoted to it considering the usage. Maybe a few days at a time would make more sense. You work on your equipment and get ready for the three day period. If your setup doesn't work, you figure out why and get on the next time. Shorter sessions would focus the activity rather than spread it out over a week's time. We should do things that will interest new people in working satellites. V/U is the entry level for newcomers and we should make that available as much as possible. There are other FM birds, but nothing compares to what AO-51 does to attract new hams to satellite technology. It's signal level, available time/pass and morning/evening pass schedule over the US are ideal. There is a lot of debate over what we should be doing for the future. But it is as important to debate how we should use the resources we have available to us right now. My hope is that this post will inspire some constructive comments and discussion on this subject. John K8YSE

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Fw: Searching for k3PGP
by i8cvs 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Hi Kevin, My email to you at kevin.j.smith(a)comcast.net has been rejected by your provider and so here is my replay to you. 73" de i8CVS Domenico ----- Original Message ----- From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> To: "Kevin Smith" <kevin.j.smith(a)comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Searching for k3PGP > Hi Kevin, N3HKQ > > Tank you for your help. > I have the emai address of John K3PGP john(a)k3pgp.org and my letters > to him are not rejected and the problem is that he do not answere because > probably he don't open the post. > By the way if you can do someting I will be very happy because I need to > talk with him about technical problems. > > Best 73" de > > i8CVS Domenico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Smith" <kevin.j.smith(a)comcast.net> > To: "'i8cvs'" <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:48 AM > Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Searching for k3PGP > > > > Domenico, > > > > Perhaps you know of K3PGP's website. http://www.k3pgp.org/index.htm > > Unfortunately he leaves no telephone number or email address. He seems > very > > protective of his privacy. > > > > Kevin Smith > > N3HKQ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of i8cvs > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:43 PM > > To: AMSAT-BB > > Cc: K3PGP - John > > Subject: [amsat-bb] Searching for k3PGP > > > > Hi All, in the list > > > > I am in need to contact the very popular EME'r John J. Yurek K3PGP but I > got > > no answere to many email send to my friend. > > If someone lives close to Irvin, PA 15642 and know him please let me know > if > > is still there or not. > > > > Tanks for any help. > > > > 73" de > > > > i8CVS Domenico > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > >

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Fw: Searching for k3PGP
by i8cvs 25 Aug '09

25 Aug '09

Hi Kevin, Your comcast.net don't like my tin.it ! 73 de i8CVS Domenico ----- Original Message ----- From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> To: "Kevin Smith" <kevin.j.smith(a)comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Searching for k3PGP > Hi Kevin, N3HKQ > > Tank you for your replay. > > I have the address of John that is correct and also his email john(a)k3pgp.org > but he do not answere to any of my letter because I suppose he is not > opening the post ! > > By the way since you leaves 25 km from him I am sure that you can help me ! > > Tanks and 73" de > > i8CVS Domenico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Smith" <kevin.j.smith(a)comcast.net> > To: "'i8cvs'" <domenico.i8cvs(a)tin.it> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:35 AM > Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Searching for k3PGP > > > > Domenico, > > > > I do not know John Yurek but I live about 25-km away from him. I looked > him > > up in the telephone directory and found the following address: > > > > John J Yurek > > 3513 Route 130 > > Irwin, PA 15642-1699 > > > > This is the same address as listed at QRZ.com but unfortunately there is > no > > telephone or email listings. I'll keep looking around for anything and > let > > you know if I find anything useful to you. > > > > PS: I suppose you tried k3pgp(a)arrl.net? > > > > 73, > > > > Kevin Smith > > N3HKQ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of i8cvs > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:43 PM > > To: AMSAT-BB > > Cc: K3PGP - John > > Subject: [amsat-bb] Searching for k3PGP > > > > Hi All, in the list > > > > I am in need to contact the very popular EME'r John J. Yurek K3PGP but I > got > > no answere to many email send to my friend. > > If someone lives close to Irvin, PA 15642 and know him please let me know > if > > is still there or not. > > > > Tanks for any help. > > > > 73" de > > > > i8CVS Domenico > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > >

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FO-29 Heard...sort of
by David Wing 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

So, after dismal results on the FO-29 passes this morning and reading other reports of the bird not being heard, I jumped on the 0409 UTC North American pass this evening to try a few things. I found that I could hear my self whistling but it was very distorted and fairly low audio. I had to turn up to 50W to hear things although at apogee (41 degree) was able to just barely hear a distorted whistle when I was pushing 10W. At apogee and 50W I *might* have been hearing myself do a 1-2 count repeatedly but I'm not sure.whistling definitely was coming through but was distorted and raspy (like a torn speaker) Anyway, not sure if this info is helpful or not but wanted to report it. 73 David K6CDW

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Crushcraft A 270-10s
by Jerry Felts 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

What are your feelins towards the Crushcraft A270-10s duel band yagi?? Is the Elk a better ant? I need to get something on the tower soon. -- Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota http://nr5abikeblog.blogspot.com/ http://nr5abeaconblog.blogspot.com/

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Searching for k3PGP
by i8cvs 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi All, in the list I am in need to contact the very popular EME'r John J. Yurek K3PGP but I got no answere to many email send to my friend. If someone lives close to Irvin, PA 15642 and know him please let me know if is still there or not. Tanks for any help. 73" de i8CVS Domenico

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AO-51 update
by Andrew Glasbrenner 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Tonight I turned on the SQRX receiver and the 1268.700 BBS uplink, and lowered the power on the 435.300 transmitter to compensate for the extra power the receiver uses. Currently 435.150 is at 400mw, and 435.300 is at 700mw. Together the transmitters are drawing 1.06 amps continuously. I've seen the comments about running the S downlink for a week every month. Thanks for the input, and please remember to send those suggestions to the ao51-modes(a)amsat.org address as well. In the past we have tried to run at least a week per month of S downlink, except when circumstances demanded otherwise. Over the next 9 months we will be trying several new things, sometimes on short notice. Please keep an eye on the AO-51 webpage at http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/CTNews.php, ANS news bulletins, posts to AMSAT-BB, and AMSAT on Twitter for updates and information. 73, Drew KO4MA

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Thanks for certificates
by andy thomas 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Am overwhelmed with certificates!! My AMSAT-India VO-52 certificate arrived a couple of weeks ago, and if I didn't thank publicly then, my apologies, and thanks now. My ARISS-25 anniversary certificate arrived today, courtesy of Christophe, merci!! And (for those who know Wash.DC) please pass on my thanks to NW3DC for their W3A certificate, celebrating the inauguration of the 44th US President, all greatly appreciated, paricularly for the reasons I wrote on my QSL card! Finally for those who enjoy reading stories to kids, I hope you enjoy mine on: http://www.russiatoday.com/Art_and_Fun/Space_Contest.html 73 de andy G0SFJ

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FO-29
by David Giles 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello All FO-29 silent over VK. Looks to be in full sunlight for the entire pass to me. Perhaps its got too hot. 73 de David VK5DG

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I: FO-29 problems ?
by ps8rf ps8 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Nothing heard over South America. Elv 63.2°. What is happening!? 73 Piraja, PS8RF _________________________________________________________________ Deixe suas conversas mais divertidas. Baixe agora mesmo novos emoticons. É grátis! http://specials.br.msn.com/ilovemessenger/pacotes.aspx

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Re: Discussion of Amsat
by N0JY 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Well I certainly stepped in it last night, so I'd like to respond to a few and state more clearly the reasoning behind the thoughts I so briefly expressed in that email. Having done so, I will return to a passive mode on this subject. My statement about the "silent majority" is based on what I know from experience, be it with an organization or a population. I did not intend in any way to say that no one should express an opinion. It was a subjective observation, and if I am wrong, I would have no problem admitting it. I am thoroughly familiar with the internet, having used it for the last 15 years or so. The reason I became interested in it was because of the wealth of information exchange available. Else I wouldn't have been reading and participating in Amsat-bb. In answer to Bob WB5MZO's question, I don't know if Amsat membership is growing or shrinking. I don't feel that it has any direct bearing on what I believe anyway. I simply know that I am a member. So here's my reasoning. I surely don't have the ability to build or orbit a satellite. Amsat does, so I joined way back when and now contribute to the President's Club and in sharing the message of the organization and satellite activities to my local club and friends. Not having grown up in the "gotta have it now" generation, I appreciate the fact that so many satellites have been successfully launched and available, that it is in fact rocket science to make that happen, and that Amsat still works to stretch the capabilities so that there is room for both average and higher skills operating frequencies and techniques. I grow by overcoming challenges, and learning on the way. I operated AO-51 mode V/S this past week with a homebrew attempt at a CP patch feed on the K5GNA BBQ dish, and it didn't work quite like I had thought it would, so I use the experience to improve that capability, I didn't just give up and go back to the easier V/U mode. I made some friends on the air during that week that have been very helpful in considering the situation and remedies or alternatives. I'm very glad that Amsat made it possible for me to have the S band available for use and learning. Since 1983 I have been interested in amateur radio satellites, I started out by simply listening to AO-10 and working some of the satellites in mode A until I finally got a house to set up a station, in 1993. I became active on many of the satellites but AO-13 was the most intriguing as I developed my skills, because it increased the challenge and therefore my knowledge and skill with the equipment and operating procedures. One humorous (to me) memory is of a truly "long path" QSO of about 72,000 km between myself and a station in a town about 20 miles away! Of course the DX possibilities were the real fun. I got some time on AO-40 too and although it was short, it was well worth it. Yes, I will still look forward to a new HEO. Whenever it happens. That's where I'd like to see things go. If I won the lottery, I would like to be able to help make that launch happen. In the meantime, I'll take what the men and women who can do it, give me. With pleasure. And I believe that the advancements of trying the SDR and such on SuitSat-2 are the right thing to do. We won't get better if we don't try it. They may lead to some neat stuff in the next HEO (whenever it happens). But if an HEO never happens again before I die, well I'm not gonna quit Amsat and I'm not gonna quit working satellites. I think about an analogy here with my local club. The big project now is to have a balloon launch. It's a lot of work, a lot of risk, relatively expensive (in the club bank account perspective) and I personally am not that charged up about it. But, the majority of the club is so I simply "get out of the way". I'm not going to tell them what I think we should be doing instead, and I'll contribute to the project if I can in a meaningful way. So that's where I'm coming from. And I appreciate the opinions of anybody else written here on the -bb. That doesn't necessarily mean I agree with them, but I will read them. I don't expect everyone (or even a small number) to agree with me. Nor should anyone else who voices their own, in my opinion. I plan to continue to contribute monetarily to Amsat, and in the next few years as I approach (hopefully early) retirement, volunteer my skills in project management, software requirements, and software testing if they can be of any help. Thank you for your time. Jerry N0JY

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I: FO-29 problems ?
by Francesco Grappi 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi Ib, The same over Italy, nothing heard .... I checked all transponder passband .......no signal detected... (fingers crossed).... 73" Francesco IW4DVZ -----Messaggio originale----- Da: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] Per conto di OZ1MY Inviato: lunedì 24 agosto 2009 21.31 A: AMSAT-BB Oggetto: [amsat-bb] FO-29 problems ? Hi all, FO-29 seems to be OFF ? There are reports on http://oscar.dcarr.org to indicate that. During a pass with AOS at 1910 UTC here in Copenhagen with a max. elevation of 30 degrees, I heard no signals from FO-29. There was some noise at 435.850 MHz (corrected for doppler shift) in the start of the pass - but that was all ? It may be something local. I did check 435.910 MHz as well - and no signal. Has anyone heard anything ? 73 OZ1MY Ib _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Re: High LEO for cubesat?
by Pete Parisetti 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hey! Where do I send my money? As far as my technically-challenged understanding goes, G0MRF's argument is very solid - it sounds bloody good and I don't understand why nobody's working on something of that sort already. I, for one, would be quite glad to make a financial contribution to such a project, and I'm sure many others would as well. So - where's the catch? This, as I understand, is different from the recently announced AMSAT India project, and seems to me even more feasible: three cubesats... What is holding us back? Who could take the lead? Best. Pete -- ___________________________ Pete Parisetti MM0TWX - HB9DSU for music, ham radio and more visit http://www.hb9dsu.com

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FO-29 nothing heard over Europe 21:11 UTC 24/Aug
by Fabiano Moser 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Nothing heard just now, over Lisbon. 73 Fabiano Moser CR7/PY5RX ARISS-PORTUGAL (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station) Representative at Teleconference and Portugal Telebridge Coordinator. AMRAD/AMSAT-CT http://www.amrad.pt/ariss.php "There is no great talent without great will. (Honoré de Balzac)"

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Register Online
by Martha 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

You can now register online for the 2009 AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual Meeting. This year we are celebrating our 40th anniversary so please come and visit with old friends, listen to interesting presentations and enjoy our guest speaker, Dr. Martin Collins. Dr Collins who works at the the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum will talk on "Making the Space Age: The First Fifty Years". Online registration will disappear on October 5th so do not wait too long! -- 73- Martha- AMSAT Mana

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lvb tracker circuit -- xtal?
by Stefano Simonetti 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi, I have problems in making the LVB tracker circuit run. I have built the LVB tracker ver. PCB v1.2, Firmware v0.7, Programmer v0.2, Documentation v1.9, 7 Dec 2004, by G6LVB. The firmware was flashed successfully with IC-PROG v 1.06B, a homebrewed interface for LPT, and an old PC with LPT1 running win98. The LVB circuit requires a 4 MHz XTAL for the PIC 16F876A. I tried with a 10MHz, and a 3,5795MHz as I haven't a 4MHz. No success. No LCD, no serial communication at all. Does anybody know if the problem could be in having installed a different xtal (i.e.: does the firmware takes care about the frequency of the clock?)? Regards, Stefano Simonetti (IW1RDZ) - Italy.

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AO-51 VS
by WB2LLP 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

During the recent week of V/S I got caught changing my mobile station configuration and had to make more changes for V/S This occurred during one of our more nasty heat and humidity cycles. Working outside, even in the shade was difficult. On the last possible day, I finally did hear a brief period of S band. Now I know what I have to do for next time. As I recall it, one of the criteria for the AO-40 was to provide several different modes to stretch the experience and capabilities of Hams. Many Hams complained that they had to buy extra equipment, but many found sources of commercial equipment that could be modified and sold at reasonable prices. The current satellite building criteria seems to be that if you can not work the satellite with an HT and a hand held antenna we do not attempt it. As a compromise, how about one week a month AO-51 is in VS and another it is in LS? This is a technical hobby, let us prove we can handle the challenge. 73 de WB2LLP Gene

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FO-29 problems ?
by OZ1MY 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi all, FO-29 seems to be OFF ? There are reports on http://oscar.dcarr.org to indicate that. During a pass with AOS at 1910 UTC here in Copenhagen with a max. elevation of 30 degrees, I heard no signals from FO-29. There was some noise at 435.850 MHz (corrected for doppler shift) in the start of the pass - but that was all ? It may be something local. I did check 435.910 MHz as well - and no signal. Has anyone heard anything ? 73 OZ1MY Ib

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I: Re: AO-51 VS
by Francesco Grappi 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

YES YES well done ! Great idea ! to test L/S band equipment one week each months ! 73" Frank IW4DVZ -----Messaggio originale----- Da: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] Per conto di Luc Leblanc Inviato: lunedì 24 agosto 2009 18.16 A: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org Oggetto: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 VS On 24 Aug 2009 at 11:27, WB2LLP wrote: > As a compromise, how about one week a month AO-51 is in VS and another it is in LS? This is a technical hobby, let us prove we can handle the challenge. > > 73 de WB2LLP Gene > YES great idea i vote for it. It is hard to test our L and S band equipment when we only have 4 to 5 days available sometimes not even a week end period in this time frame and even if we get one rain often ruin the whole thing. "-" Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Re: MFJ/Cushcraft
by Clint Bradford 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

>> ... cushcraft serves their purpose, they are the Walmart or Mc Donalds of the antenna world ... Cushcraft was never a "bargain basement" product, and was never cutthroat with their pricing. Care in Q.C. and production methods were always evident. Comparing Cushcraft to Walmart (importer of cheap Chinese goods, and lousy appreciation of their workforce) or McDonalds (mass production of unhealthy foods, again unappreciative of their workforce) is rather silly. Just my opinion, of course. Clint Bradford, K6LCS 909-241-7666

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Fwd: Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
by Donald Jacob 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal) To: Rocky Jones <orbitjet(a)hotmail.com> Lets just let this thread die. He seems to be trolling, twisting wording around to rile up the group. Just think if he put this much time into something productive.. He, along with the guy in Canada and San Diego are going into my filter so I don't even have to waste the time to delete his ridiculous and inflammatory posts. Onward AMSAT. Don WB5EKU On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Rocky Jones <orbitjet(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Bob. > > perhaps you have hit the problem squarely on the head. > > > > I didn't say that. Read it again. I said they will work on and build > what they believe in. > > Volunteerism is an act of service. Indeed it is the foundation of > "service" (no matter if it is the Boy Scouts/FFA or the US military)...the > questions are whose interest does one serve when one volunteers and how is > ones service perceived. . > > >From what I am hearing you say, (write) is that the folks who are doing > the building on AMSAT satellites are not for the most part serving the > interest of the Amateur Satellite community, but what? Themselves? > > I think you volunteer a lot for the BSA...I do. When I do that the joy I > get out of volunteering is the service...not so much volunteering just for > the things that I enjoy. > > Are you saying that the folks who build the satellites are doing it for > their own self interest? > > Iif so..."Houston we have a problem" > > Robert WB5MZO > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:O… > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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PE1RAH pictures from Ham Fair Tokyo
by William Leijenaar 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi AMSATs, Please check the website of Alan, GM1SXX who has made a picture gallery for me of the pictures made at the Ham Fair in Tokyo. http://www.pe1rah.observations.biz/index.htm More pictures will follow, so check it up again, after some time. I have also seen the new ICOM 9100 at the ICOM booth on the Ham Fair here in Tokyo. The rig looks very nice, but when I asked some technical details they said that they still working on it and that it is not finished yet. The IC9100 on the booth was not RF operational (maybe reason why no mic was connected on it). It still has a nice look, and it would be a great rig to have in the future shack. My thanks to Alan, GM1SXX for making the picture gallery 73 de JA/PE1RAH, William Leijenaar in Tokyo. ---

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Vacation
by Martha 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

I will be on vacation from September 1 - September 9. -- 73- Martha

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FO-29
by WILLIAMS MICHAEL 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

I have not heard FO-29 the last two passes. Mike (K9QHO) AMSAT 33589

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HR1LW TNX !!
by Alvaro de Leon Romo 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Thanks to all guys for send me direct or via BB the info about the HR1LW grid..... He is located in EK64... I really appreciate your time.. Al XE2AT _________________________________________________________________ Comparte tus recuerdos en línea con quien tú desees. http://www.microsoft.com/mexico/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.a…

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Re: [Senior-officers] Den Connors, KD2S
by Martha 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

If memory serves me correctly, I think Den Connors was the person who set us up with Telemail through the University. It cost about $18,000 a year! On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Tom Clark, K3IO <tom.k3io(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'm sure that many early TAPRites remember TAPR's first President, Den > Connors, KD2S. Den was active in Tucson circa 1982-83 at the formation of > TAPR, during the TNC-1 days. Some info on Den can be seen at > http://www.tapr.org/history.html, as documented in the first PSR ( > http://www.tapr.org/pub_psr1.html). The early TAPR PSRs can be read at > http://www.ka9q.net/newsletters.html. In 1982 (in PSR #2), Den and I made > the first proposal for an amateur radio packet satellite. Around 1984, Den > moved east to take a job at Wang Computers in Lowell, MA. > > Den's story can be read at http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/denconnors. I > lost touch with him in ~1986. Just tonite, I got this sad note from Ralph, > KD1SM that I want to share with you: > > I don't know if you or other TAPR/AMSAT old-timers are still > in contact with Den Connors KD2S. I know you two worked > together a lot in early packet days. > > If you have not kept in touch with Den, then I'm sorry to tell you > that he was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma two years > ago. I'm even sorrier to tell you that a bone marrow transplant > that had been scheduled for this week has been canceled. The > message circulated among his colleagues reads: > > "Den was simply too ill to proceed. A PET scan was done yesterday > and it found that the cancer has spread through out his whole body. > He will come home tomorrow and be attended to by the Hospice folks. > Doctors estimate approx 5 weeks. I can t tell you how truly Den will > be missed by all who knew him. If any of you have read his Caring > Bridge I m sure you can understand what incredible spirit Den has. " > > Regards, > Ralph Swick KD1SM > Nashoba Valley Amateur Radio Club > http://www.n1nc.org > Friend of Den's for ~15 years. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Via the Senior-officers mailing list at AMSAT.ORG courtesy of AMSAT-NA > http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/senior-officers > > -- 73- Martha

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IC-9100
by Howard Kowall 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello to all There was some discussion about the new Icom IC-9100 I found this glimpse of it on this video from the Ham Fair in Tokyo Howard VE4ISP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h7Z7pEKkpg

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AO-51 repeater uplink on 145.880 MHz
by OZ1MY 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi all, The uplink right now is on 145.880 MHz. It may change later. 73 OZ1MY Ib

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A rocket fuel called Alice
by Trevor . 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

NASA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, or AFOSR, have successfully launched a small rocket using an environmentally-friendly, safe propellant comprised of aluminum powder and water ice, called ALICE, see http://www.southgatearc.org/news/august2009/alice.htm ----

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Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
by Jeff Davis 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:58:30PM -0500, Rocky Jones wrote: > > That is not a flaw in my argument, it was a fact. As best I understand it, and it has been sometime since I looked at it in any depth, the flaw in the AO-40 rocket motor was that a procedure was missed in preping the motor for flight. This is a deviation from your previous posting where you linked the demise of AO40 to it being a "super sat which was going to do things that were simply out of reach of all but a very few hams (40ghz? or whatever it was)". Clearly the kind of mistake that caused the catastrophic failure could have happened on any spacecraft assembled by any organization. > The folks building /E have figured it out and returned to a rather robust "simple" satellite...More then one homebuilder of airplanes (garage planes) has found in someway that their modifications were mistakes (the lucky ones when the DER's shut them down). You can call it "simple" if you like but a) it remains firmly affixed to earth and b) it is being sold to the German government as an adjunct to a mission to Mars. If you want to call an interplanetary mission "simple" that's your call, but P3E was scheduled to be launched years ago to support the P5 mission that was supposed to launch in 2009 and I'll buy the first beer whenever either of those fly... > I dont know this for a fact but would suspect that one reason launches are hard to come by for anything with rocket propulsion in it (ie a hamsat with a rocket engine in it) is what happen with AO-40. If I owned the rocket that failure would scare me For the last time (from me, I promise) we have been told in no uncertain terms that the cost for a launch to GTO that would carry a craft of the size required to provide a happy medium of solar panels and antennas will cost no less than $6 million US and maybe as much as $8 million. Years ago (has it been almost a decade now?) when we first started talking about 'Eagle' it took AMSAT-NA two years to raise $90,000 US. At that rate, it would require a century for us to raise enough money to get back to GTO. Facts on the ground have already determined the outcome of this debate. Whether or not AMSAT members (and officers for that matter) are willing to accept reality is an entirely different matter. Many actually prefer the blue pill... -- Jeff, KE9V

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Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
by Daniel Schultz 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

>As for AO-40. It failed for the same reason that suitsat 1 did, and for the >same reason that a lot of people who build their own airplane kill themselves >every year trying to "test fly it"....the project got to big for the >organization that was building it...ie their technical competence was >insufficient for the task at hand. Spaceflight is dangerous business, unforgiving of the smallest human error. Results are never guaranteed. If we can't take a bloody nose without crying about it then we don't belong in this business. Dan Schultz N8FGV

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Fw: Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal)
by rwmcgwier＠gmail.com 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: rwmcgwier(a)gmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:05:42 To: Rocky Jones<orbitjet(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal) This note is based on an almost complete ignorance of both projects. On AO40 a signature on a checkout document at launch site says motor was checked by those responsible. The checkout document (not amsat's) reveals that the necessary mod to doc revealing need to do an extra operation was not present. Result: crap happens. Everything tested before motor burn seemed fine. Don't know many craft that could take this amd go on to deliver years of service. We all cry over the lost opportunity but it was still a major achievement. Suitsat 1 worked before transport. It was tested. We will never know what went wrong in transit. I understand everyone's desire for more and better results but before you level a cannon, at least know what you are talking about. 73's Bob n4hy ------Original Message------ From: Rocky Jones Sender: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org To: n8fgv(a)usa.net To: amsat bb Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS (rebuttal) Sent: Aug 23, 2009 1:38 PM > > Dan Schultz N8FGV > > based on your logic no criticism whatsoever is warranted. As for AO-40. It failed for the same reason that suitsat 1 did, and for the same reason that a lot of people who build their own airplane kill themselves every year trying to "test fly it"....the project got to big for the organization that was building it...ie their technical competence was insufficient for the task at hand. But in your view (at least as best as I understand it) that evaluation should not be made because "at least they tried". sorry I dont buy that logic Robert WB5MZO _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:… _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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MFJ/Cushcraft
by Bob 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

I don't know if this is good or not. We'll see. http://www.mfjenterprises.com/cushcraft/ 73 Bob W7LRD

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AO-51 V/S activity
by Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Hi! Since it is summertime here, coupled with working extra time during most of the last week, I didn't get out to work a lot of AO-51 passes while the S-band downlink was on. I was able to work two AO-51 V/S passes - a western pass Thursday evening, and an eastern pass Saturday afternoon. Using the same basic setup as I have done for V/S over the past 3 years, changing only the transmit antenna (Elk log periodic, instead of my Arrow Antennas Yagi) and receive radio (mobile radio, instead of an HT), it was as I remember it. Unfortunately, there weren't a lot of stations on those passes. Thursday evening (early Friday, UTC time) had just 4 stations on - XE2BHL, W7LRD, KC9ELU, and N0JY. I was operating from the Phoenix city park where I do most of my satellite operating when I am not on the road, at the DM33xp/DM43ap grid boundary. I was in Tucson for most of Saturday, and stopped in Marana - a northwest suburb of Tucson, just off the I-10 freeway in grid DM42jl - for that pass on my way home from there. I worked 4 stations from down there (K8YSE, WA5KBH, XE2BHL, and KC9ELU), and heard one other I was not able to make a QSO with (N5ZNL). Thanks to all of you for showing up and putting some activity on those passes! There hasn't been a lot of chatter on the -BB about this week of V/S activity. Did other operators hear more activity on other passes? How did it go for those in other parts of the world? I hope there were times with more activity than having only 5 or 6 stations on these passes during a week's time. I had my S-band gear in my truck for the entire week, so I could get on whenever I had free time to work AO-51 passes. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ P.S.: If anyone who worked me yesterday from DM42 wants my QSL card for our QSO, please e-mail me with QSO details. If you're in the log, I'll send out a card.

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Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
by Nitin Muttin [VU3TYG] 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Not sure if this will be having the functions of 910H. 73's Nitin [VU3TYG] --------- Original Message -------- From: Simon HB9DRV <simon(a)hb9drv.ch> To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio Date: 08/20/09 11:59 AM" > By the looks of the front panel I think it'll offer the same features for > satellites as the IC-910H. > > We should know a lot more after the weekend show in Japan. > > Simon Brown, HB9DRV > www.ham-radio-deluxe.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg(a)yahoo.com> > > > > Will it do full duplex for the satellites, or dual receive? > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ________________________________________________

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AO-51 mode change
by David - KG4ZLB 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

To any Command Team members: I have a great pass at just after 7.00pm edt this evening, that's only 23:00 utc - so will AO-51 remain in its current config until 00:00utc and be commanded by someone else on the planet? I just don't want to set everything up for Mode S to find that its stopped an hour earlier than scheduled! Thanks David -- David KG4ZLB www.kg4zlb.com

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Re: HR1LW Grid ?
by John W Lee 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Hi Al, ! He is in Tegucigalpa, my map shows EK64. I have 3 QSL from him, none of them has the grid on it. 73, John On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:57:50 -0500 Alvaro de Leon Romo <xe2at(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > > > Who know the HR1LW grid ? > > In QRZ is not shown... > > > > Many thanks in advance , like always > > Al XE2AT > > _________________________________________________________________ > Con Windows Live, puedes organizar, editar y compartir tus fotos. > http://www.microsoft.com/mexico/windows/windowslive/products/photo-galler y-edit.aspx > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the > author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ____________________________________________________________ Medical Coding Degrees Earn your medical billing & coding degree, 100% online. Enroll today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=M0vIk0vR6fW46Sa-4LVM2AAAJ1CmZ…

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My visit to Ham Fair Tokyo and joining JAMSAT booth
by William Leijenaar 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Hello (J)AMSATs, Today was the last day of Tokyo Ham Fair, which was another great day like it was yesterday. I was at the JAMSAT booth where I showed my small transponder design to the HAM people, which gave a lot off interest from all kinds of people. Possibilities for future satellite have been created and people have been made interrested in doing satellite communication. I had also the opertunity to meet a lot of people using the VO-52 satellite, on which is my transponder. It is a great joy to see the satellite activities here on the other side of the globe (seen from my home in The Netherlands). I noticed that a lot of CW is used here. Some people are doing city junting, which means they have their car build like a satellite station (incl. rotor and elevation) and hop between satellite passes from one city to another, and try to make QSOs from as many cities as possible. The car stations are real nice contructions, and of great ham spirit. Very nice to see... There was also a list with number of contacts made for each satellite pass by one ham. The highest number was on VO-52 with 42 QSO's for one pass (over Japan), 36 in CW and 6 in SSB. Its really amazing, and it must have been done with very high time efficiency, and a very fast CW wrist hihi... It was a great time at the JAMSAT booth, and we had a nice after party with lot of JAMSAT members, and with delicious Japanese food. My thanks for the great hospitality from the JAMSAT people, and thanks for the nice talks we had about satellites. 73 de JA/PE1RAH William Leijenaar in Tokyo (till 28 August) ---

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Re: (amsat-bb) Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS(butal)
by Dale Hershberger 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Well put Dan...Thank you! Folks need to put their energy in the positive and try to improve things if they do not agree the ways things are going. Dale KL7XJ

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HR1LW Grid ?
by Alvaro de Leon Romo 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Who know the HR1LW grid ? In QRZ is not shown... Many thanks in advance , like always Al XE2AT _________________________________________________________________ Con Windows Live, puedes organizar, editar y compartir tus fotos. http://www.microsoft.com/mexico/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-…

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Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400
by Lowell White 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

My Yaesu G-5400 rotor pair is about 150' from my shack. I am wanting to gauge the feasibility of putting the rotor controller within 100' (due to on-hand control cable lengths) of the antennas (in a garage). I would then run a separate (on-hand) PC-controller cable (fewer conductors as using the DIN interface on the back of the controller) to the rotor controller box from a PC and adapter / interface (if needed) in my shack (approx. 50'). Is it crazy to consider or should I just pony up for more of the (dual) rotor control cable and run the control box itself in my shack? What would I need to do at the PC end to appropriately 'signal' the 'semi-remote' control box. Ideas? Thanks, Lowell K9LDW

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Best source for current satellite status
by Randy 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Is the AMSAT status page the best source for ALL possible Amateur radio satellites that we can access? I got a new 440 yagi and cant find a satellite to test on .. I know AO-51 would be good, but not in that mode untiul Monday. And I heard that some of the older satellites only run off the solar array So nitetime passes are unusable? My capability here is only 2 meter / 70 cm FM. ( for now anyways. ) Thanks for help and input.. Randy

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Orbitron-Wispdde
by Gary Lockhart 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

I am trying to put together a computer controlled az-el rotator system with BS2 processor control like KO6TH using U-100 rotors. With Orbitron for satellite prediction and Wispdde comunication I do not get data display on the LCD display. The display works for other program titles. I tried Nova (demo) thinking the BS2 needed different input but still nothing to display. I used Free Serial Port Monitor and could see ASCI output that looked like what I wanted with satellite name, AZ and EL with numbers but the values did not match the satellite tracking program, they never changed! This was true with both Orbitron and Nova. I am using Orbitron 3.71, Wispdde 4.2, 4.3.0.7 and 4.3.0.2 modified by AD5JN. I have tried all the Wispdde programs at 1200 and 9600 baud. My radio is a FT726 so there is no CAT control there to confirm operation of other equipment. I have tried BS2 programs off the web from KO6TH and SAEBRTrack with out success. My BS2 is rev G and I am using a SC-IOREL4 relay board to mount the BS2. Demo display and relay programs run fine. I do not understand why the data into the BS2 isn't the same showing on Wisp panel. Any thoughts? Gary AB3ID Snow Hill, MD

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Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
by Karl Sandstrom 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h7Z7pEKkpg Karl R. Sandstrom, K5MAN Greenwell Springs, Louisiana

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Re: Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400
by Lowell White 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

Hi Jim, Yes, that would be a possibility. The "in between" is indeed a garage - technically attached to our home but as far as cabnle paths go, somewhat removed to to an obfuscated connection between respective attics. A spare, old PC is not scarce... may consider. Besides, who doesn't have CAT5 in their garage... or close to it? ;-) Another has suggested I just go ahead and home run the standard cables all the way to the shack / office so as to have manual control in addition to PZC control... and a simpler intermediate step. That will mean an additional splice block but can be done as long as the rotors are happy with a lengthier run... which was part of my initial concern. Thanks, Lowell ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:00:36 PM CDT From: Jim Walls <jim(a)k6ccc.org> To: Amsat-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400 > Lowell White wrote: > > My Yaesu G-5400 rotor pair is about 150' from my shack. > > > > I am wanting to gauge the feasibility of putting the rotor controller within > > 100' (due to on-hand control cable lengths) of the antennas (in a garage). > > > > I would then run a separate (on-hand) PC-controller cable (fewer conductors as > > using the DIN interface on the back of the controller) to the rotor controller > > box from a PC and adapter / interface (if needed) in my shack (approx. 50'). > > > > Is it crazy to consider or should I just pony up for more of the (dual) rotor > > control cable and run the control box itself in my shack? > > > > What would I need to do at the PC end to appropriately 'signal' the > > 'semi-remote' control box. > > > > I am making an assumption, that may not be the case. I am assuming that > there is a protected location closer to the tower. For example the > tower is next to the garage and the shack is in the house. If that is > the case, what I would do is run the remote control PC at the remote > location, and control it over your LAN with a remote desktop program > such as VNC (http://www.realvnc.com/). That does make the assumption > that you have an extra PC floating around, but for most of us the > question is not IF we have one, but rather which of of the several > should I use... It also assumes that you have a house LAN - although if > you don't, most PCs these days have a network connection already built > in so it would be easy to implement. > > -- > 73 > ------------------------------------- > Jim Walls - K6CCC > jim(a)k6ccc.org > Ofc: 818-548-4804 > http://home.earthlink.net/~k6ccc > AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395 > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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Orbitron-Wispdde
by Gary Lockhart 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

I am trying to put together a computer controlled az-el rotator system with BS2 processor control like KO6TH using U-100 rotors. With Orbitron for satellite prediction and Wispdde comunication I do not get data display on the LCD display. The display works for other program titles. I tried Nova (demo) thinking the BS2 needed different input but still nothing to display. I used Free Serial Port Monitor and could see ASCI output that looked like what I wanted with satellite name, AZ and EL with numbers but the values did not match the satellite tracking program, they never changed! This was true with both Orbitron and Nova. I am using Orbitron 3.71, Wispdde 4.2, 4.3.0.7 and 4.3.0.2 modified by AD5JN. I have tried all the Wispdde programs at 1200 and 9600 baud. My radio is a FT726 so there is no CAT control there to confirm operation of other equipment. I have tried BS2 programs off the web from KO6TH and SAEBRTrack with out success. My BS2 is rev G and I am using a SC-IOREL4 relay board to mount the BS2. Demo display and relay programs run fine. I do not understand why the data into the BS2 isn't the same showing on Wisp panel. Any thoughts? Gary AB3ID Snow Hill, MD

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AO-7 TLM Beacon
by Joseph Armbruster 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

Is anyone able to hear the AO-7 beacon on: 145.9775 MHz CW? I just tried without any luck, from Orlando FL. Joseph Armbruster, KJ4JIO

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if it's there use it
by w7lrd＠comcast.net 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

With all the bruhaha over satsuit, heo, meo, leo, sstv, fm,ssb/cw etc. Not being "tuned" in to the politics etc of building, launching satellites. I (and most of us should) just contribute ($), use and enjoy what we have when we have it. Strap a handheld to a brick and throw it over my house and I'll try to work it! 73 Bob W7LRD Seattle

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SS-2
by Howie DeFelice 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

I agree with "the Bobs" and others that you have to play the cards you're dealt and be part of the solution. Allot of people put many hours of time, effort and their own money into AMSAT and I certainly thank them all. I disagree that we should abandon the "HEO fetish" as it was put. At the moment it seems unlikely there will ever be another AO-40 but there could be opportunities for ride shares to higher orbits. But for that to remain even a remote possibility, we need to "be in the game". By continuing to be a visible member of the space community we enhance our chances of finding new opportunities for transport to space. We must continue to be flexible and adapt to whatever opportunity comes along. I think that is exactly where AMSAT has been moving. This may be a dum question but, since so much effort has gone into building SuitSat-2, why are we throwing it out the ISS door? It appears we have multiple unused antenna ports on the ISS. If we connected SS-2 to one of those it will stay in orbit a long time, we don't need to repackage it to survive space or put in batteries. I'm sure there would be a process to make that happen not to mention maybe install an antenna. Even if it took another year to make happen, wouldn't it be worth it? Howie AB2S _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Back…

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ZD8DC Active on FO-29
by Hal Lund ZS6WB 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

Dean, ZD8DC is currently active from Ascension Island on FO-29 and possibly also AO-51 and SO-50. So far he has been worked in South Africa on FO-29 by ZS1LS and ZS6WB. In both cases the contact has been on a weekend morning ascending pass when he was heard calling CQ around 435.843 MHz SSB. His activity will probably be mostly on weekends as he works during the week but he could have some good common windows on FO-29 into Africa, South America and Western Europe. If you are in these areas watch for him especially on 23-29-30 August. He will complete his work assignment on Ascension and return to the U.S. on 02 September. Hal ZS6WB

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Re: Piraja's You Tube video
by Dr. Jay Garlitz 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

If you have not watched (PS8RF) Piraja's video of the audio received from ZS2ACP on AO-7 do not miss it. It is an excellent presentation and hopefully will encourage others to work AO-7 DX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meMa0zz5v4k 73, Jay, AA4FL __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4357 (20090821) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

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Suitsat-2 costs
by Andrew Glasbrenner 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

According to Martha, in 2009 we have spent a grand total of $12,361 on Suitsat-2. The 2008 files are not right at hand, but the expense was even less. In comparison we've spent more on ITAR legal help trying to free our volunteers to resume work on P3E. The launch cost for Suitsat-2 will be zero for AMSAT. Nothing paid by AMSAT to Russia, nothing paid by AMSAT to NASA. Nothing. Launch cost for cubesats to LEO (600-800 km) is ~$70,000/kg. Suitsat-2 is over 20kg. I'll let each individual decide whether they think that's a deal or not. It's painfully obvious to me. 73, Drew KO4MA

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Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS
by Armando Mercado 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Greetings, Two things to keep in mind. NASA (USA) is one of 20 plus countries that have a direct interest in the ISS. Second, the MIR space station was orginally intended to have a 5 year life span. It ended up flying for 15 years. 73 Armando N8IGJ >Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:39:40 -0700 (PDT) >From: MM <ka1rrw(a)yahoo.com> >Subject: [amsat-bb] Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS >To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org >Message-ID: <273358.20471.qm(a)web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >The International Space Station will be retired in 20015-2016. >We do not have much time left, before NASA pulls the plug!

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Re: SO-50
by Bill Dzurilla 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

One other important thing to remember about SO-50. Unlike AO-51 and AO-27, it does not transmit a carrier. You won't hear any noise unless someone is transmitting. You can't just wave your antenna around and peak for maximum on a carrier. So unless you are running full duplex and can hear your own signal, in times of low activity you don't know if you are getting into the bird. Although SO-50 is not as strong as the other birds, you can work it easily with an HT and an Elk or Arrow handheld antenna. 73, Bill NZ5N > SO-50 is difficult to work for two reasons, in my opinion: > > > 1 - Its power level is a nominal 250 milliwatts (.25 watt). > > > 2 - It is transmitting that quarter-watt into a 0-gain > quarter-wave vertical mounted on one corner of the > satellite. > > This truly is the QRPp space-radio station! There is a very > good chance that you are doing nothing wrong. I encourage > you, however, to try working a pass without Doppler control. > Let your ears guide you for the Doppler tuning, based on the > relative noise level as the pass unfolds, and park your > uplink at 145.850. > > The very best of luck. Please let us know how you progress. > > > 73, > > Tim - N3Tl > Athens, Ga. - EM84ha

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FT897
by Randy 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

What do you all think of using a Yaesu FT-897 for satellite work? Randy - N2CUA

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Andre, ZS2ACP heard 7695 km via AO-7 Mode B
by ps8rf ps8 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Hello, Today in the orbit of number 59094 of AO-7 ( MODE B - 20:14:21 UTC - 21/08/2009). Could hear the Andre, ZS2ACP calling CQ and reporting signal to another station here in Brazil (PY5LF). Unfortunately I could not find the uplink, was prepared, but I missed the time to call it. Despite the weather have been enough I could not hear me. That's it friends, the AO-7 in spite of 35 years continues to bring surprises to the Community of users of satellite. I Posted the video/audio in two links: see here: http://spacesat.blogspot.com/2009/08/zs2acp-escutado-7695-km-via-ao-7.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meMa0zz5v4k 73 Piraja, PS8RF _________________________________________________________________ Deixe suas conversas mais divertidas. Baixe agora mesmo novos emoticons. É grátis! http://specials.br.msn.com/ilovemessenger/pacotes.aspx

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Re: Semi-remoting the controller for a Yaesu G5400
by bpn518＠aol.com 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Hi Lowell, I think you need only 3 wires for one rotor, and 2 wires for the other (because you'd use the common hot from the first rotor). However, you wouldn't know meter reading for end of travel of the motor, and could damage the rotor. If you are using the remote tracker interface (such as LVB that has front panel control as well as PC control), you could maybe run long cable from the tracker interface (in your shack) to the controller (in your garage), and you would have both control and digital readout of the position, and the LVB would know end of travel of each motor. Other ideas? Regards, Bennett ko2ok

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Re: Difference between Yaesu G5400, G5600 and G5500
by bpn518＠aol.com 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Jan, Yes, add the C in the 5600 controller, and your old motors will work. I did that with mine, and I now also use the LVB tracker. Regards, Bennett ko2ok

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Fwd: PARACHUTE MOBILE 1.2 GHz FM this Sunday 1280.225
by Fabiano Moser 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Re-sending... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: boeing377 <BOEING377(a)gmail.com> Date: 2009/8/20 Subject: [AlincoDJ-G7] PARACHUTE MOBILE 1.2 GHz FM this Sunday 1280.225 To: AlincoDJ-G7(a)yahoogroups.com Mark AF6IM and Michael KF6WRW will be skydiving at Byron CA this Sunday and will do some HAHO (high altitude high opening) jumps to give us enough time to do ham radio comms. Jump altitudes will be approx 14,000 ft. We will not be using oxygen gear. These are practice jumps for the big event planned for October, HF radio HAHO jumps at an altitude of 18,000 to 24,000 feet depending on FAA clearances and conflicting air traffic. We are using these practice jumps to work out kinks in mounting, mics, noise cancellation, headphones etc. and just getting used to flying our ram air ("square") chutes and communicating simultaneously. I plan to operate on the 1282.225 MHz repeater for at least one jump. I will announce about a half hour pre jump as I can reach ths repeater from the ground in Byron. Jon, K6OJ, our crew chief, will be on the ground at Byron and will coordinate some 2 meter simplex comms for me. Details to follow. I will call Michael KI6QNZ by phone from Byron to give him an ETA on jump times Sunday. He has volunteered to put out the info on the N6NFI repeater 145.230 which we cannot reach from the ground in Byron. We would like to use APRS for more than just position reporting on our later jumps. Relatively cheap pulse oximeters now have USB output. We'd like to have APRS report our blood oxygen levels and pulse rates to our ground crew. If we have oxygen system failures we may not be able to recognize them ourselves due to hypoxia. Ground controllers could detect it and try to inform us by radio. Even if we did not hear or understand the radio warnings, the ground crew could at least see our altitude, heading and speed and dead reckon where we might be landing in an impaired state. The ground crew could dispatch resources to our predicted landing area which could be miles away from the DZ. From 24,000 feet in calm air, we can glide about 15 miles horizontally, much more if we are running downwind. Garmin 350s (or the more expensive Kenwood APRS GPS plotters) interfaced to APRS could prove very useful. On these recent practice jumps we had winds up to 20 knots at the higher altitudes and had to fly into the wind to maintain position over the DZ while descending. We'd also like the ground crew to help us calculate winds aloft (speed and direction) during our jumps. If we make a constant rate turn of 360 degrees, our ground track in calm air will be a perfect circle. If there are winds aloft, the circle will be distorted. We should show a peak in groundspeed when running directly downwind during the turns. It is too complicated to do the figuring under canopy, but pretty easy for a trained ground crew. We will need quite a few people because there are so many different tasks to do during the jump. Jon K6OJ will be determining resource needs and allocations. I am sure he will welcome volunteers. The October jumps were originally scheduled for Monterey (Marina airport) but we are considering Byron too. In the event of an oxygen failure, an uncontrolled parachute could head FAR out to sea (over 15 miles) from our planned altitudes if we jumped at Marina. Byron has its own nearby hazards: windmill farms, high voltage towers and lines, canals and lakes, etc. We are balancing the risks and still deciding. Byron is a bit closer to our ham community. Monterey offers incredible aerial scenery. We will carry floatation gear no matter where we jump, but a far offshore ocean landing could prove fatal due to hypothermia even if afloat. if we choose Monterey we may wear anti exposure jumpsuits. I have some surplus ones used by flight crews. VERY uncomfortable (basically a drysuit) but better safe than sorry. Anyone out there have the expertise to interface a pulse oximeter with APRS to report blood oxygen levels? We'd also like to get ATV coverage of the October HF jumps and maybe even some of the practice jumps. I'd be willing to fly a video camera and ATV xmtr, but dont have any gear. Any ideas? My nmail address is below. LOTS to do in advance of our October jumps. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I will also have a portable ADF ready for October for the use of our ground crew. Additional DF resources will be welcomed. 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New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
by Simon (HB9DRV) 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Looks like the IC-9100 will make a possible sneak appearance in a few days, there's a Yahoo! group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ic9100/ This group for the new ICOM transceiver, IC-9100 HF+VHF+UHF+(D-Star+23CM, optional), built-in HF/50MHz ATU(tuner), 32 bit IF-DSP, 24 bit A/D conv. HF/50MHz 100 watts, 144MHz 50 watts, 430MHz 50 watts, optional 1200MHz 10 watts output. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

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The future of the ISS.
by John Hackett 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Group, Once again, it seems that some of the Amsat-bb members have apparently no clue as to what goes on outside America. The future of the ISS, discussion ... It does appear that some of the contributors are oblivious to the fact that The Russians have already informed NASA that they (The Russians) intend to pull the plug, to concentrate on their own space station ... more than likely backed by The European Space Agency. News and comments at the end of the following website. ... <http://www.russianspaceweb.com/opsek.html> GM1SXX and myself wrote an article on this very subject some time ago. Those interested may read it at ... <http://www.observations.biz/Joint_Observations/Joint_observations_07_07_200…> Somebody commented - "It's politics" ... that part is true, it's mainly a combination of politics and money. My own personal opinion is that the Russians don't fancy the idea of footing the bill alone, and prefer to do things their own way. 73 John. <la2qaa(a)amsat.org>

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KLM 2M 22C
by Luc Leblanc 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

I just assemble and "old" oscar 1 era KLM 2M 22C beam over the week end to ended stuck up with one element and no matching pre drilled hole in the boom tube. Did anyone recollect if KLM ever missed pre drilled hole in their workmanship? My assembly was on the side of a bit hurry and i will have to recheck al the measurements but with the pre drilled bolt holes boom section attachment it is hard to make mistakes but we never know! Thank's for your inputs? "-" Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE

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A memorable night in the AO-7
by ps8rf ps8 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hello to all, I published a video/audio on the Internet with a few QSOs among of friends via AO-7 - in the same orbit. I found interesting post the video file because I still had not heard at other times this number of friends by using the AO-7. I feel privileged to be in my city and listen to many friends through the AO-7. I gave the name the video "A memorable night in the AO-7". Well, I am not an expert in assembling the videos, but I hope we all enjoy and feel excited to participate actively in future projects of satellites for radio amateurs. The video is approximately 22 minutes, see here: http://spacesat.blogspot.com/2009/08/uma-noite-memoravel-no-ao-7.html Listened: Miguel, CX1TH Ignacio, LU1ESY Tadeu, PY2SAD Roland, PY4ZBZ Luciano, PY5LF Piraja, PS8RF Juan , LU2DPW Guillermo , HK6IOP Josef, K3SZH Arthur, K4YYL Gregory, N3MVF Douglas, KD8CAO Daniel, AJ9K Michael, KC9ELU. Thanks Piraja, PS8RF _________________________________________________________________ Novo Internet Explorer 8. Baixe agora, é grátis! http://brasil.microsoft.com.br/IE8/mergulhe/?utm_source=MSN%3BHotmail&utm_m…

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Re: A memorable night in the AO-7
by Rodney Waln 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

very nice video, very good pictures to go with the audio, you did good, Rodney kc0zhf

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IC910 and AO-51 VS
by WB2LLP 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

I have been trying to get Instant Track 150 to control my IC910 when tracking AO-51 VS. Since my down converter translates to 145 Mhz, I assign the down path to the 2 meter side of the 910. I then create a factious path for the 432 side. When I enter the R command, IT starts displaying both the 144 and 432 sides but in alternating places. Is it possible to tell Instant Track to concentrate solely on the 144 path and ignore the 432 path? I have not found a way to do this and a search of the documentation does not find a solution. What I was trying to do was let Instant track handle the 2401 Doppler shift and I would handle a separate radio for the 144 uplink. Can I do what I want to do with IT or is it time to say goodbye to a friend and move up. TNX es 73 de WB2LLP Gene

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EM18/19 Activated Aug 22
by Gail A Mcdaniel 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

We will activate grid-boundary EM18xx/EM19xa just northeast of Keene, KS (Wabaunsee County) on August 22nd during the AO-27 pass @ 19:04UTC, the SO-50 pass @ 20:43UTC and AO-27 pass @ 20:43UTC (times are approximate). We will be using our HT's w/Arrow and ELK antennas. If you need a QSL for the contact, just send me an e-mail, I'll confirm with the log and send you a card. No need for SASE or return card. David McDaniel - KB0RZE Gail McDaniel - KB0RZD

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Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net Tonight August 20 at8PM ET on Echolink N2EYH-L
by Cotejaune2＠aol.com 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hello everyone It is time once again for the HVSG Net tonight at 8 PM on Echolink N2EYH-L.Please join us for the Net and share your satellite knowledge with the group. Tell us about any exciting contacts you have made. Tell us about your station. Your favorite antennas. Hope to hear you there. 73 Gary WA2AQH

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South Africa - Brasil on FO-29
by Roland Zurmely 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

QSO with Allan ZS1LS 09:48 UTC #64243 on FO-29 near apogee. Distance 6339 km. 73 de Roland PY4ZBZ

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You learn something new every day...
by N0JY 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hello AO-51 V/S gang! I've been on the past couple of nights trying out my modified K5GNA BBQ dish, I had removed the dipole and replaced it with a LHCP patch feed I built. Past mode */S runs on AO-51 were spent getting the feed back in the focus. The passes this week though still left me with some bad fades and signals varying from S9+ to nothing but noise. Well I finally figured it out during the 00:00 pass tonight... I'm using SATPC32 rotor control and I was fiddling with the pointing corrections. Tonight was an overhead pass, so the signals should have been great. They weren't though, so I started tweaking the rotor degree corrections. Came to find that a +14 degree azimuth gave me the great signals I expected to hear! So I got to thinking about it. I know the rotator/antenna assembly is pointed right, north is north and east is east and such. All of the other antennas give me the kind of signals I expect, when pointing toward a particular satellite and some local beacons and sweeping around them. So it must be one of two things: either the patch feed is off center, and I'll admit that it was heck to line up exactly using the PVC arrangement that I have created to get the AIDC downconverter pointed back toward the dish. I looks pretty centered... but, could it be off just a tad to the side so that I am actually feeding off-center, hence the need for a 15 degree adjustment to get the best signal? The other thought, the dish is mounted with the left edge about 1 foot to the right of the 70cm 40el crossed yagi, could the yagi be influencing the signal causing the apparent bend in the pointing? And probably vice versa, if so. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated. Meantime, I have at least a workaround to get the solid downlink that I was looking for. No polarization fades with the CP patch, and the 15 degrees offpoint isn't going to affect the 2m uplink as the bandwidth of that antenna (20el crossed) doesn't seem to mind. So, hopefully you won't have to hear me sign because I lost the downlink anymore this week! 73 and thanks, Jerry N0JY

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ISS future?
by Randy 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

""" We have 5-6 years left of ISS. We need to make the best of what little time we have left. Everyone needs to work harder, better and faster. I would hate to see those remaining 11 unused antennas go to waste when ISS burns up.""" Ok , label me ignorant .. But is it that difficult to boost its orbit? I guess I need a techie explaination .. Heck .. If its going to just burn up .. Then just before it gets to the point off no return, then take those Huge solar panels to the moon .. LOL or take some of the modules to the moon .. Whats going to replace the space station? The lunar base? Anyways... Someone explain to me please lol Cheers Randy - N2CUA

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SK: Art Goldman. N3OY
by Tom Clark, K3IO 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

It is with great sadness that I learned of the recent passing of Art Goldman, N3OY (formerly WA3CVG). Art was 67 and succumbed to melanoma. Information is at http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/obituaries/bal-md.ob.ci.goldman05aug05,0,7…. Art was very active in CARA (Columbia Amateur Radio Association) and was an AMSAT Life Member. Art often handled the satellite Field Day effort at W3AO(see http://www.arrl.org/contests/soapbox/?con_id=133&call=W3AO <http://www.arrl.org/contests/soapbox/?con_id=133&call=W3AO> for 2006 pictures. W3AO is the 19 xmtr multi-multi joint effort of CARA & PVRC). Art lived in Columbia which has severe antenna limits. Despite this, he managed to get on AO-40 using BBQ dish antennas. He show up frequently in the AMSAT-BB archives. Art was also very active in the packet radio world in the 80's & 90's. Art (with NG6Q) developed the TCP/IP driver for the Eagle Computer card (Zilog 8530) for KA9Q's NOS. . A personal remembrance: Rick Hambly (W2GPS), Bob McGwier (N4HY)& I remember fondly the 8-hour x 2-way "captive audience" trip to/from Dayton a few years ago. Despite Art's New York Jewish roots, he knew every country & western song every made. What with McGwier hailing from redneck Alabama, the trip was hilarious. I particularly remember the two singing to Toby Keith's hit C&W song "I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was!" (complete lyrics are at http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/keith-toby/as-good-as-i-once-was-15917.h…). 73 Art -- you are missed!

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Re: ISS future?
by Randy 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

First of all, thanks for all the replies. Where I got that info was off the ISS FAN CLUB site And was from some one that seemed to be knowledgeable.. But must have been opinion as well .. Trust me when I say that I hope it is around MUCH MUCH Longer .. I would like to be able to work thru It long into My retirement which is in 5 ish years.. And aee them do some Other amateur radio projects, like a constant running SSTV system. More then one radio .. Things like that .. :) Again, thanks for everyone's thoughts .. Always welcomed and muchly appreciated Randy - N2CUA

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AO-27 pass 2030
by Jerry Felts 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

Will the 2-3 stations I just worked on the AO-27 of 2030 please email me? My digital recorder did not work and I was depending on it for logging. -- Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota http://nr5abikeblog.blogspot.com/ http://nr5abeaconblog.blogspot.com/

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PowerPoint Presentations
by Clint BRADFORD 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

As PowerPoint turns twenty-five, some tips on making more effective presentations - from the BBC ,,, http://tinyurl.com/mohy2y Clint Bradford

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Re: AO-27
by Rodney Waln 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

i am not sure, you should be able to do good with your elevation there, if you are putting any power out a all, 1 watt plus you should be doing good, i have worked it with my FT-50 and the ducky, is your transmit power ok, or do you have some local qrm from the AF base?? try to program in terry peak repeater 147.030 + 146.2pl and if you can hit that from your location you should able to do all the FM sats, if that helps, at least see if your TX is ok, Rodney kc0zhf >Am I doing something wrong or is AO-27 just very hard to hit with a >FT-60R handheld, and ELK ant? I have no problems hearing it but >working it is another thing!!

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AO-51 V/S
by w7lrd＠comcast.net 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

This last pass on '51 was notable for almost lack of fading! At least from Seattle. I did some tweeking on the LVB tracker, adjusting in 3 degree increments. Super strong signals on the S band downlink. The usual list of culprits were in attendance. Is there anyone in KL7 that has S band capability? 73 Bob W7LRD

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AMSAT Office closed today
by Gould Smith 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

The AMSAT Office will be closed today due to the loss of the power transformer that supplies the building. 73, Gould

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FREE Satellite Tracker for iPhone 3G S
by Fabiano Moser 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

Hello, For who are interested to have FREE Application in your iPhone for Satellite Tracker (Sat Track) an a beautiful graphics for ISS position (ISSLite), here are two that I have tested and liked so much. Download from AppStore links: Space Station Lite (ISSLite) FREE http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=305522724… Satellite Tracker - FREE http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=306260378… -- 73 Fabiano Moser CR7/PY5RX ARISS-PORTUGAL (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station) Representative at Teleconference and Portugal Telebridge Coordinator. AMRAD/AMSAT-CT http://www.amrad.pt/ariss.php "There is no great talent without great will. (Honoré de Balzac)"

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New Blog Post :!: AMSAT @ Huntsville Hamfest
by Alan Sieg WB5RMG 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

New Blog Post :!: http://wb5rmg.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/amsat-huntsville-hamfest/ /;^) -- # Alan Sieg, WB5RMG since 1976 # http://wb5rmg.somenet.net # http://www.linkedin.com/in/alansieg # wb5rmg<at>amsat<dot>org AMSAT#20554

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Re: AO-27
by John W Lee 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

I actually thought it was one of the easiest ones to hit. Are you transmitting on 145.850 ? 73 John, K6YK On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:56:26 -0600 Jerry Felts <nr5ajerry(a)gmail.com> writes: > Am I doing something wrong or is AO-27 just very hard to hit with a > FT-60R handheld, and ELK ant? I have no problems hearing it but > working it is another thing!! > > -- > Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota > http://nr5abikeblog.blogspot.com/ > http://nr5abeaconblog.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the > author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ____________________________________________________________ Bulk Email Mktg Software Do Bulk Email the Right Way And Watch Your Profits Soar! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=JHQ8G58IqZSxASYL6gUEEAAAJ1CmZ…

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Re: DM19 Activated Aug 17
by Rodney Waln 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

i worked him also, and thanks for the new grid and makeing the trip out to the middle of no were "AKA I will activate grid DM19 (smack in the middle of NV)" made my day, Rodney kc0zhf

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