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Re: AO-91 and Max Valier Sat
by Jean Marc Momple 06 Oct '23

06 Oct '23

Zach, Thanks for the info. I wish to share that during the past decade I had same kind of issue trying to decode some genuine coordinated birds and received signals from other birds who uses radio Ham frequencies without even bothering about IARU coordinations. Guys like Daniel (EA4GPZ), and others did write a lot about some abusing our spectrum for commercial ventures without giving a minimum to the HAM community, we are taken for a ride by some. The IARU coordination team is doing a great job, I therefore appeal to all national HAM associations to make the required pressure on their regulators to ensure that all birds using HAM frequencires are coordinated by IARU as a prerequisite before being deployed. My one cent input. 73 Jean Marc (3B8DU) > On Oct 6, 2023, at 7:42 PM, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > Hello all, > > While listening to this morning's AO-91 pass, I noticed CW-modulated noise in the background. So did one or more operators on AO-91, who thought that the station was trying to send CW through AO-91. > > Switching over to CW mode, I copied: "manfred es christ fuchs 73 de ii3mv max valier sat manfred es christa fuchs 73 de ii3mv max" > > This turns out to be the Max Valier satellite, launched in 2017, which (unfortunately) uses Amateur Radio spectrum for a scientific downlink and does not provide any communication resources in return. > > AO-91's downlink is close enough to Max Valier's that, with Doppler correction, may make it into your receiver's FM discriminator and show up as CW-modulated noise when AO-91's signal fades. > > Hopefully, this note will inform other stations that one should not assume intentional or unintentional interference without verifying the origin of the signal received. > > 73, > > --- ZachEA4N0ZGO > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at https://mailman.amsat.org

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Re: AO-91 and Max Valier Sat
by JOHN GEIGER 06 Oct '23

06 Oct '23

I have heard the MV satellite on AO91 downwind several times on the past. Sometimes their footprints just line up. Wonder if they would send an SWL card for a reception report.73 John AF5CC Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 10:42:22 -0500 amsat-bb(a)amsat.org wrote ----Hello all, While listening to this morning's AO-91 pass, I noticed CW-modulated noise in the background. So did one or more operators on AO-91, who thought that the station was trying to send CW through AO-91. Switching over to CW mode, I copied: "manfred es christ fuchs 73 de ii3mv max valier sat manfred es christa fuchs 73 de ii3mv max" This turns out to be the Max Valier satellite, launched in 2017, which (unfortunately) uses Amateur Radio spectrum for a scientific downlink and does not provide any communication resources in return. AO-91's downlink is close enough to Max Valier's that, with Doppler correction, may make it into your receiver's FM discriminator and show up as CW-modulated noise when AO-91's signal fades. Hopefully, this note will inform other stations that one should not assume intentional or unintentional interference without verifying the origin of the signal received. 73, --- Zach N0ZGO ----------------------------------------------------------- Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ View archives of this mailing list at https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at https://mailman.amsat.org

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AO-91 and Max Valier Sat
by Zach Metzinger 06 Oct '23

06 Oct '23

Hello all, While listening to this morning's AO-91 pass, I noticed CW-modulated noise in the background. So did one or more operators on AO-91, who thought that the station was trying to send CW through AO-91. Switching over to CW mode, I copied: "manfred es christ fuchs 73 de ii3mv max valier sat manfred es christa fuchs 73 de ii3mv max" This turns out to be the Max Valier satellite, launched in 2017, which (unfortunately) uses Amateur Radio spectrum for a scientific downlink and does not provide any communication resources in return. AO-91's downlink is close enough to Max Valier's that, with Doppler correction, may make it into your receiver's FM discriminator and show up as CW-modulated noise when AO-91's signal fades. Hopefully, this note will inform other stations that one should not assume intentional or unintentional interference without verifying the origin of the signal received. 73, --- Zach N0ZGO

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Re: ITU Handbook on Small Satellites
by ji1izr/Masahiro Sanada 06 Oct '23

06 Oct '23

Hello, Nico PA0DLO, de ji1izr/Masahiro. Thank you for your helpful information. This is very important information for me, too. ********************************** Masahiro Sanada JI1IZR PM95pi Hiratsuka-city Kanagawa,Japan ji1izr_1975(a)nifty.com ji1izr(a)jarl.com ji1izr(a)jamsat.or.jp blog in English: https://ji1izr.cocolog-nifty.com/ blog in Japanese: https://ji1izr.air-nifty.com/ **********************************

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Re: ITU Handbook on Small Satellites
by Paulo PV8DX 06 Oct '23

06 Oct '23

HI Nico, Thanks Excellent contribution. Some doubts resolved. I believe! 73 de Paulo PV8DX Em sex., 6 de out. de 2023 às 08:37, Nico Janssen via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> escreveu: > > Sometimes we see discussions on whether or not a satellite > can be called an "amateur satelite". > > This is what the 2023 edition of the ITU Handbook on Small Satellites says: > > "5.4 Amateur-satellite missions > > Amateur-satellite missions use satellites “self-training and > communication”, with no pecuniary interest and > could be categorised under three broad types: > • Amateur missions that allow for two-way communications including > transponders and repeaters > among others. > • Amateur missions that might provide useful technology for future > amateur missions. > • Amateur‐educational missions where there is an amateur interest, not > necessarily involving two‐ > way communications, exposing students in Science, Technology, > Engineering and Mathematics > (STEM) projects with the aim to encourage these students to enter a > career in a STEM topic. > > Key points are that the mission must be related to radio technique, and > that the mission will not offer a > pecuniary interest. The mission must relate in some way to the > advancement and understanding of the technical > and operational aspects of radio and satellite systems and are relevant > to the amateur and amateur-satellite > services. This excludes more general science payloads within missions > like earth-observation, biology, wildlife > tracking, geology, etc. which should be operated under other > radiocommunication services because they are > not related to radio technique. Furthermore, any mission that proposes > any sort of pecuniary (monetary or > financial) return is specifically excluded from amateur and > amateur-satellite service bands. > > Radio technique means having a reasonable possibility of application to > radio communication systems > operated in the amateur satellite service. Missions that are classified > as amateur-educational might study > aspects within the following topics: > • Radiocommunication modulation methods and transmission protocols > • Attitude determination and control systems > • Command and control procedures > • Radio receivers, transmitters and transponders > • Satellite antennas systems > • Sensors to study spacecraft performance > • Power controls and supplies for use in space > • Spacecraft computers, memory, operating systems, programs and related > items > • Radiation effects on electronic components > • Radio wave propagation > • Meteor trail reflection and other sporadic propagation mechanisms > • Measurements of the orbital environment > • Solar panel technologies > • Software Defined Radios > • Radiation tolerant electronics > • In-orbit spacecraft software updates. > > Technology developed and information acquired by missions studying the > above topic have direct relevance > to the advancement of the amateur-satellite service. > > Satellite missions that are purely amateur include: > • Linear transponders or FM repeaters for voice or data communications > • Digital voice repeaters > • Transmission of images using appropriate analogue or digital standards > • Amateur Packet Reporting System (APRS) transmissions > • Microwave beacons > • Digital Store-and-forward bulletin boards and global messaging systems. > > Transmission of telemetry alone and without additional mission > components is generally an insufficient reason > for a mission to be considered for operation within frequency bands > allocated to the amateur-satellite service." > > 73, > Nico PA0DLO > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at > https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ > > View archives of this mailing list at > https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org > Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at > https://mailman.amsat.org -- *73 Paulo PV8DX* LABRE/ARRL member ITU 12 - GRID FJ92pt https://www.labre-rr.org/radioamadorismonaescola.html <http://www.labre-rr.org> pv8dx(a)labre-rr.org pv8dx(a)arrl.net

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ITU Handbook on Small Satellites
by Nico Janssen 06 Oct '23

06 Oct '23

Sometimes we see discussions on whether or not a satellite can be called an "amateur satelite". This is what the 2023 edition of the ITU Handbook on Small Satellites says: "5.4 Amateur-satellite missions Amateur-satellite missions use satellites “self-training and communication”, with no pecuniary interest and could be categorised under three broad types: • Amateur missions that allow for two-way communications including transponders and repeaters among others. • Amateur missions that might provide useful technology for future amateur missions. • Amateur‐educational missions where there is an amateur interest, not necessarily involving two‐ way communications, exposing students in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) projects with the aim to encourage these students to enter a career in a STEM topic. Key points are that the mission must be related to radio technique, and that the mission will not offer a pecuniary interest. The mission must relate in some way to the advancement and understanding of the technical and operational aspects of radio and satellite systems and are relevant to the amateur and amateur-satellite services. This excludes more general science payloads within missions like earth-observation, biology, wildlife tracking, geology, etc. which should be operated under other radiocommunication services because they are not related to radio technique. Furthermore, any mission that proposes any sort of pecuniary (monetary or financial) return is specifically excluded from amateur and amateur-satellite service bands. Radio technique means having a reasonable possibility of application to radio communication systems operated in the amateur satellite service. Missions that are classified as amateur-educational might study aspects within the following topics: • Radiocommunication modulation methods and transmission protocols • Attitude determination and control systems • Command and control procedures • Radio receivers, transmitters and transponders • Satellite antennas systems • Sensors to study spacecraft performance • Power controls and supplies for use in space • Spacecraft computers, memory, operating systems, programs and related items • Radiation effects on electronic components • Radio wave propagation • Meteor trail reflection and other sporadic propagation mechanisms • Measurements of the orbital environment • Solar panel technologies • Software Defined Radios • Radiation tolerant electronics • In-orbit spacecraft software updates. Technology developed and information acquired by missions studying the above topic have direct relevance to the advancement of the amateur-satellite service. Satellite missions that are purely amateur include: • Linear transponders or FM repeaters for voice or data communications • Digital voice repeaters • Transmission of images using appropriate analogue or digital standards • Amateur Packet Reporting System (APRS) transmissions • Microwave beacons • Digital Store-and-forward bulletin boards and global messaging systems. Transmission of telemetry alone and without additional mission components is generally an insufficient reason for a mission to be considered for operation within frequency bands allocated to the amateur-satellite service." 73, Nico PA0DLO

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TEVEL-7
by david.greenberg 06 Oct '23

06 Oct '23

Hello All, TEVEL-7 FM transponder has been activated, starting from today, 06.10.23 08:00U for 72 hours.73,David 4X1DGנשלח מה-Galaxy שלי

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AMSAT Ambassador News
by Clint Bradford 05 Oct '23

05 Oct '23

AMSAT Ambassador Clint Bradford K6LCS has spoken to these clubs recently … Gallatin Ham Radio Club, Montana London Bridge ARC, Arizona Sevir Amateur Radio Society, Tennessee GOTA HAMS, Southern California Daytona Beach ARA, Florida This month, he'll be informally visiting with hams in the Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria, Germany, and the Netherlands during a personal trip. An email received after a recent presentation ... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hi Clint, Thank you for the well-done presentation this evening. After the Zoom session had ended, my members would not go home: They just wanted to keep talking about your presentation. Again, well done and thank you. 73 Phil N2EDX VP Daytona Beach ARA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Think a 75-minute presentation on "working the easy satellites" would be appropriate for your club or event in November or December? Send email to Clint at k6lcsclint (at) gmail (dot) com /end/

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Check Yo Software!
by Will Brozovic 05 Oct '23

05 Oct '23

Here is a quick video from Scott Manley addressing the recent URD (Unscheduled Rapid Descent) of Roscosmos' Luna 25 lander. About five lunar spacecraft have failed over the past few years due to software errors. I'd love to chat with anyone who has more insight to these incidents, they are quite interesting and I'd like to learn more. https://youtu.be/TJ_a4NCIImk?si=0KlRDYIRiLUBWUe4 -Will Brozovic AMSAT Flight Software

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Re: ICOM 9100 setting for BPSK 1200 satellite telemetry
by David G0MRF 04 Oct '23

04 Oct '23

Set the radio to USB, as you would do for normal audio QSOs Make sure the audio from the radio is fed to the dashboard software. You should see it in the waterfall display.Find the satellite and manually tune Doppler to see if you can get decodes and get familiar with the sound. When that works, then try the Doppler tracking. It should sound / look like this when on frequency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFfBKQGXwtg using audio or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0RuhPoJgZU using an SDR 73 David On Wednesday, 4 October 2023 at 17:46:44 UTC, Dr. Shakeel -ur-Rehman via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: I am trying to get telemetry from funcube -1 AO 73 satellite.i have taken real time pass but only beacon sounds are received.I have installed USB audio driver for ICOM 9100.I have set CI-v to 19200 .I have correctly configured ICOM 9100 for Doppler setting in satpc32.AO 73 satellite dashboard is set for capture from sound card. Dashboard Input is set to USB audio driver. I am unable to find problem why AO 73 satellite telemetry is not being received by its dashboard software.I have taken many high elevation angle passes more than 70degree but telemetry i is not being received. Anyone please help may be ICOM BPSK 1200 mode is not set but I don't know because display on the ICOM screen doesn't Show BPSK written. Only USB main bandLsb sub band is written on the screen of ICOM.Which mode is used for BPSK demodulation.how to know that ICOM is sending the satellite Signal to dashboard software. Where to set bpsk baud rate of 1200 in ICOM. Any help I am depressed I have taken five to six passes of Real time during Day time.i have asked amsat UK and they also confirmed that the AO 73 is transmitting telemetry in Day passes. Please guide which other satellite can be tried for telemetry download and which software can be used for their telemetry decoding. Very thankful for help RegardsShakeelAP2sur ----------------------------------------------------------- Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Acceptable Use and Privacy Policies available at https://www.amsat.org/about-amsat/ View archives of this mailing list at https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to amsat-bb-leave(a)amsat.org Manage all of your AMSAT-NA mailing list preferences at https://mailman.amsat.org

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