October 2006 - AMSAT-BB - mailman.amsat.org

1.2ghz helix 4sale
by w7lrd＠comcast.net 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

Hello About a day left on this antenna. 73 Bob W7LRD Seattle http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=001&item=110039356818&rd=1…

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Comcast
by Robert McGwier 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

Comcast has autoblocked amsat-bb as a source of spam. This is crap of course but it will take some time to get them to fix it. I have not seen a note in my in-box since early Sunday. I really do wish comcast would modify this behavior. This fix has been requested. Bob N4HY -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair "You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat." - Einstein

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AO-27 status???
by David 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

Hello all: I am a AO-27 user from Madrid Spain. I remember some months ago I read a email telling that the AO-27 was going in eclipse and this email is to ask if the eclipse season is over. Is the satellite operative again?. If not... when the Control team expects to have it operative. I have tried this weekend with no success. My last QSO was in May 2006. 73 de David EB4DEH

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It is time to look foward...
by Stefan Wagener 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

It is a good time to move on. There was a lot of discussion on both sides of the fence. The board has made a decision to move forward with the Eagle communication package and a clear compromise has emerged. For example: Eagle will have a lot of what was asked for by the membership (see 2004 survey results in the AMSAT Journal Vol 27 # 5). We (the members) asked for Mode U/V and the board responded with: An SSB/CW (etc.) transponder with uplink on U-band and downlink on V-band. System design has a goal that it be usable over 75% of the orbit, as well as a low rate text message system, like SMS. In addition, the membership asked for U/S, V/A and L/S and the board responded with: An SSB/CW (etc.) transponder with uplink on L-band and downlink on S1-band (2.4 Ghz), .and a lot more. There will always be questions and need for discussions. However, I hope that in the future board members will not keep the membership hostage by threatening to leave if they face criticism. I also hope that members will not anymore accuse elected members of running their own agenda, because face it; we all have our agenda and ideas. The difference is that some are willing to work for it as volunteers within AMSAT and move the organization and projects forward. It is important to notice that we all elect the board to make decisions. That's what they did. Now that decisions are made we can look forward to make our dreams of a new HEO a reality. All of the recently elected board members promised to be transparent and communicate their ideas and thoughts with us. In return we need to keep our promise as members to support AMSAT and the projects ahead. Let's keep our promises to each other and together AMSAT will be what we all want it to be, a place where we can enjoy a great hobby and at the same time learn from each other. It is "Thanksgiving" weekend in Canada and I am certainly thankful for all of the amateur radio satellites that "others" have made a reality for me to use and enjoy. I am also thankful for all the new birds in planning and construction that again many "others" are working hard to make into reality. The least I and you can do is to support these initiatives. 73, Stefan, VE4NSA

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More Clutter on 2.4 GHz
by Trevor 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

New licence free digital 2.4 GHz handheld two-way radios have been launched. These feature Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum (FHSS) for enhance security and provide one-to-one and one-to-many calling. Full details at http://www.relcom.co.uk/digital1.htm 73 Trevor M5AKA --------------- Daily Amateur Radio RSS News: http://www.southgatearc.org/ Email your news items to: editor at southgatearc.org News On Your Website: http://www.southgatearc.org/rss/index.htm News On Your PC: http://www.southgatearc.org/rss/newsreader.htm Upload Your News: http://www.southgatearc.org/news/your_news.htm --------------- ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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HITSAT FM Oct 9
by Mineo Wakita 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

> JR8YJT CA502001461,0924164152,1CE,206,1C2.2,1,0,0K~ http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/hitsat03.htm --------------------------------------------- Name: Mineo Wakita / JE9PEL, JAMSAT member Mail: ei7m-wkt(a)asahi-net.or.jp URL : http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/ QTH : Yokohama Japan, GL:pm95tj Date: Oct 9, 2006 ---------------------------------------------

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Re: More Clutter on 2.4 GHz
by Tony Langdon (ATC) 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

> I googled the product with the "50" at the end of the part > number and several sites came up with "claimed" ranges > between 5 and 10 kilometers. Because the product seems only > to be available in the UK I didn't convert it to miles but I > think it's 3-6 of them. You got the conversion right... :-) Interesting radios, the question is whether small business will take to them, and how far down the price will drop. The current price (269 UK Pounds) is definitely going to limit it to those security conscious businesses who want more than 5 users at a time in a conversation (up to 5 users can be handled using cell phone PTT fairly cheaply over much greater distances). In the longer term, they may become an issue.

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Re: S band interference solution
by John Champa 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

Bob, If I wrote anything that offended the Engineering Team in any way whatsoever, you have my sincere apology. The AMSAT Engineers literally give of their lives to make this dream possible for the rest of us to enjoy. They deserve nothing but our highest respect and consideration. Just to make certain their are no hard feelings, my 3 figure donation is on the way to AMSAT. Vy 73, John - K8OCL >From: Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier(a)comcast.net> >To: Dave Guimont <dguimon1(a)san.rr.com> >CC: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org >Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: S band interference solution >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:03:32 -0400 > >Dear AMSAT friends: > >I would like to thank all of you for your wonderful positive support. I >am on the 100-th hour I have given to AMSAT this week. In the next >three weeks I wil spend four days doing mechanical design work on Eagle >and four days doing computer work for Phase 3E and Eagle where we are >attempting to bring up the computer bus system that will control the >spacecraft. > >Your constructive criticism, based on nearly completely FALSE >information, has been a major source of inspiration for many VOLUNTEERS >who do this work > >The engineers recommended to the AMSAT-NA board of directors that we >adopt a U/V/L/S standard transponder set for linear operation based upon >SDX in its primary form. THIS IS A LINEAR TRANSPONDER SUITE. Our >current calculations show that on V band it will be much louder than >AO-13 and slightly louder than P3E on V. On S band downlink for Eagle >we will be MUCH louder than AO-13 and significantly louder than AO-40. > >The advanced communications package recommended to the AMSAT BOD will >use two uplinks, L band and 3.4 GHZ. It has a proposed C band >downlink. The system design proposes the use of the SAME 60cm dish that >many of you have purchased from James Miller or Dave Olean will work >perfectly with a proposed dual band feed/widget we are proposing and >will design. The details of this work will be forthcoming in the next >few months. > >The user will need your AO-13/AO-40 station to operate the V/U/L/S >packages and widget that you will not be able to easily build but will >be able to purchase from some group like TAPR or Ettus or AMSAT. The >single most expensive decision we have made is to have sufficient solar >arrays to support both packages. > >Please expect to see lots of details from us. An official announcement >from the organization will appear on ANS and AMSAT web site shortly. I >have requested a lot of money from the AMSAT board of directors to begin >real work on details of this during the year 2007. This is in addition >to the budget we have requested for our support activities for P3E. > >Irrespective of all of the things said here about me and the >unbelievable collection of the most high powered technical team we have >assembled in a long time, we continue to work hard on your behalf. I >am really personally disappointed in the level of discourse in the AMSAT >BB. It is extremely harmful, possibly beyond repair, to our >organization. We are seeking serious external funding, and we need to >make a significant investment in many areas to get this spacecraft >built. I have never been prouder of where the AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-DL >engineers are going on your behalf than I am right now. I am very >disappointed in the members of this forum. It is so damaging to our >public image that if this does not improve and significantly, I will >have to recommend that we end its current form. You are hurting your >fellow satellite users and the VERY small number of volunteers who make >serious personal sacrifices to build these things, and much larger >number of volunteers who daily make quiet personal efforts in near >silence on all our behalf. In my opinion, there is not a single member >of the included thread who can hold their heads high and be proud of it. > >Let me remind you once again. NO ONE speaks for AMSAT-NA outside of the >entire board of directors who make policy and the five or so bylaws >enabled officers. Anyone else may have influence. But until you hear >the outcome from official channels. On P3E and AMSAT-DL, NO ONE >outside of Peter Guelzow is considered by me to represent AMSAT-DL or >Heike Straube on P3E. > >In my opinion, you owe the organization and the members of this forum >an apology. I don't care if none of you speak to me every again. But >the members of the engineering team and the volunteer supprters holding >official positions have been ill served by this. > >Bob >N4HY > > > > > >Dave Guimont wrote: > > > >> On 5 Oct 2006 at 8:21, John Champa wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I really do get bored reading about all these threats to Mode S from >WiFi, > >>> etc. > >>> > >>> > >>> For a bunch of supposedly sophisticated wireless guys, you sure don't >know > >>> beans about > >>> consumer grade wireless devices. That includes our wonderfully >dedicated > >>> but pessimistic AMSAT satellite engineers! > >>> > > > > Luc wrote: > > > > > > > >> I agree... but it sometimes very hard to convince and ridicule may > >> prove too much for some readers > >> but it can be of some help for some stubborn minds who are not > >> pessimistic but unrealistic. > >> > >> > > > > > > Some of these guys would complain if they were hung with a new rope, > > and I'll supply > > ALL THE ROPE THEY CAN USE !!!! > > > > > > > > > > 73, Dave wb6llo(a)amsat.org > > Disagree: I learn.... > > > > Pulling for P3E... > > > > > > > > >-- >AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, >TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair >"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. >You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los >Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly >the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. >The only difference is that there is no cat." - Einstein > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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HITSAT Oct 8
by Mike Rupprecht 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

AOS 0436 UTC Oct 08 (JN49lr) Hit3 3c4c4d4d4d494a4b Hit4 8bdbd1e2 Hit1 jr8yjt Hit2 a0813364921 Hit3 234a51494.494.4. LOS 0441 UTC AOS 0607 UTC Oct 08 (JN49lr) Hit1 jr8yjt Hit2 a0815065424 Hit3 254b4e4a5049484c Hit4 c1dbd1d8 Hit1 jr8yjt Hit2 a0815104826 Hit3 0d4e514a4d49484b Hit4 c1dcd1e1 Hit1 jr8yjt LOS 0616 UTC AOS 0741 UTC Oct 08 (JN49lr) Hit2 a0816392321 Hit3 234b4c494d4a474b Hit4 bddbd1e2 Hit1 jr8yjt Hit2 a0816431724 Hit3 0d4c4f4b4d49494. LOS 0747 UTC AOS 1821 UTC Oct 08 (JN49lr) Hit4 8bdbd1e2 Hit1 jr8yjt Hit2 a090322223a Hit3 39494f494d494949 LOS 1826 UTC

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check out the amsat web site.
by GregWycoff 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

AMSAT Board of Directors Approves Eagle Communications Payloads http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/index.php

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