February 2007 - AMSAT-BB - mailman.amsat.org

Cease Fire Request (Blocking Members)
by Matt Bennett 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Hi Everyone, I too wished to remain sidelined for this one, but I cannot help myself at this point. After re-reading the posts and analyzing them a little bit, I was able to identify the two sides to the ongoing argument without specifically identifying them... Side A says: 1) You should be free to express your opinion on the BB 2) Censorship or editing of posts is a violation of the Constitution 3) Communication via email has different rules than those of operating on the air Side B says: 1) Posts to the BB should follow the Amateur Code 2) Posting of an opinion without proper justification is an ignorant post 3) If you don't care for someone's opinion, just delete it What side are you on? Having trouble picking one side?? There's a good reason for that--the reason is that BOTH sides have things they can agree on, but NEITHER side recognizes it. Instead, both sides continue to argue without objective and continue to do so in a manner that is un-becoming of gentlemen and fellow amateurs all for the sake of having the last word. This shouldn't surpise anyone--we're all human, and this is what we do (myself included at times). However, if we are to find ourselves in such a situation, it is crucial that we DO NOT ignore it, but rather work toward a resolution for the sake of the parties involved and (most importantly) the AMSAT-BB community. Just for justification's sake, did anyone notice the number of recent posts from new operators and spacecraft developers? Are these emails the impression we want to give those new operators?? I implore those involved, please take this opportunity to assess this situation and cease communications on this thread. Yes, we all have a right to our opinions. Yes, these opinions should not be censored. However, we should never aim to offend with our opinions, but rather provoke the technical ingenuities and interests that have brought us all here to this BB in the first place. Thanks all. 73, Matt Bennett KF6RTB Matt Bennett KF6RTB UCISAT Communications Team Member University of California, Irvine www.ucisat.net --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

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Re: censorship or lost mail
by Peter svoboda 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

On 20 Feb 2007 at 19:20, KA2AEV(a)aol.com wrote: Is that the only nonsense you can post? Can't you be little original or is that past your adult educational level which is probably first grade? On 19 Feb 2007 at 8:27, Joseph Trombino Jr wrote: > Sorry, but I must respectfully disagree....I belong to a couple of other > email reflectors that had a few bad apples.....continuously causing > dissention and problems with inflammatory and derogatory postings. You poor brainwashed simple minded ignorant moron. I was trying hard to not respond, but this is am important point. Everyone has freewill and the ability to act out of their own accord. Just because someone is associated with a larger group does not imply that all members of any such group condone, support or would/have carry out similar acts. Ernie Howard wrote: > You poor brainwashed simple minded ignorant moron. > > You've been watching too many left wing canadian news shows. A few unlawful > acts by several solders out of several hundred thousand.... You have more > crime in your city than that..... Should we lock you up and call you a > lawbreaker because of a few of your fellow citizens? ------------------------------------------------------ Ernie Howard, Jr W8EH Middletown, Ohio E-mail: w8eh(a)cinci.rr.com Web Page: http://home.cinci.rr.com/w8eh ------------------------------------------------------ Luc Leblanc wrote: Someone who's watching the last BB post and reactions just send me a note where he's making reference to the actual mood down the border. The situation is so trouble that many are loosing their natural social guidelines. He strongly feel that many irrational comments are a strong indicator that some are in the early stages of depression. You may be depressed if you're experiencing: * A major drop in your mood that lasts most of the day and is consistently low for two weeks or more. * A loss of interest in things you normally love to do. * Irritability at home or at work. (I added on the internet) * Grudges against people you perceive have wronged you. * A desire to avoid other people. (I added fltering their messages) * Overwhelming feelings of sadness or grief. * Unreasonable feelings of guilt. How is depression treated? Those who realize they are suffering from depression benefit from professional counseling and - possibly - medication. There is a wide range of anti- depressants on the market that have been approved in the treatment of depression. Medication does not normally "cure" depression. But it can help people get through their daily routines. As usual the first steps is to admit that we have a problem, but what will happen with those who does not want to listen prefering to discard some post on the BB? 73 Peter --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.

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Re: Could we raise orbit thru magnetorque?
by Daniel Schultz 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Physics 101: a magnetic dipole can only apply a torque to a satellite, it cannot apply an unbalanced force, and thus cannot accelerate the satellite in its orbit. Dan Schultz N8FGV

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70 cm pre-amp and bias T sold
by Michael Tondee 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

The amp and bias tee I posted for sale on the board earlier are sold. Thanks for everyone's interest. 73, Michael W4HIJ

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RS-22 Telemetry
by Paulo Pinto 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

I also heard RS-22 very well. I was correcting Doppler manually. Hopefully you can hear a mp3 file on this link: http://www.ct1ete.net/tcp/rs22_20_02_07.mp3 73 CT1ETE, Paulo

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Re: censorship or lost mail
by Tony Langdon (ATC) 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

I notice there are delays of approximately 4 hours on the list, so either it's being moderated for the time being, or there are delays on the net... > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick McGrane [mailto:N2OEQ@aceweb.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2007 07:58 > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] censorship or lost mail > > > It appears one of my emails in reply to a snippit response > has not made it through. > > Is This BBS censored or should I try again.? > > Pat N2OEQ > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of > the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the > amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: > http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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America is ugly betty
by Luc Leblanc 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

I am completely exceeded by about an hundred of private messages. Some are asking me to remain private others don't mention it. Remain confident the bad ones are already in the barrel... Each and every post will be answered back globally. Starting by the one who asked me on what i was sit "I think he has sat on something and it is giving him pain." I remember someone asking the same thing... i just hope it was not related to his wife or his daughter probably they never experience as much paint than the family and mothers of those pile up in one of the pictures made by AMERICAN SOLDIERS. Not to mention the Arab womens rape by american soldiers in Irak. As an hollow tentative to show down Bruce H Snyder KG4YEV reply "must be the tolerance for drinking on the job thing " Wonderfull United States" But i remain confident it is the ugly side of it the religious right who hang even to a point to strategically forgetting their 13th commandment "You shall not murder" Just a note here if you read my title "NO MILITARY COOPERATION ON AO-51" i was not referring to any army but as some invited me to comment on US army involvement in Irak. It was not the subject of my post the links are. Now for the benefits the military give us i consider it was a gift a way to help amateur radio serving in emergencies or to improve their communication skills. I am still believing they where not asking to be repaid back in any way or in any form. But some stupid folks in AMSAT-NA are again showing up their stupidness in giving up an amateurs radio apparatus to help an US army wing. WRONG DECISION in a wrong period of time where a stupid moron probably as stupid as the same ones Bruce KG4YEV refers to:(" & believe me our Canadian counterparts to the north taught me a few things about having some fun") and who are trying to mess up the whole world. Stupidity has no sex and borders. What else remain to be commented? The troll, block and delete key ones or Kevin WA6FWF stating US army rape and killings are "...stupid stunts" That's probably what's Ernie Howard W8EH refers to: (DIATRIBE - Noun. A lengthy and unsubstantiated submission or request regarding an otherwise simple matter by an ignorant author.) It is an impressive statement showing up an extremely high level of intelligence mostly inspired by a simple dictionnary... But as in any simple citrus we can always expel some juice. He got the 10 level mark when he wrote "He needs to go." That's exactly what's more than 50% of the US population wants including their own government and the rest of the world regarding the US military occupation in Irak. Why AMSAT-NA IS TAKING SIDE HERE " please be patient as we cooperate with our friends at the USAFA " Let them making their own test on their own frequencies! Here now stands the relation made by Robert Davies KI4HXT "To compare the US Air Force Academy and AMSAT to the NAZI and Ed Long WA4SWJ "between Arguing with our friends that are non-lovers of the military on this BB is like wrestling with pigs:" They dont even pay any respect to their own nation peoples that's just confirm why AMSAT-NA should not get involved with any military operations. The subject matter is highly volatile and can deteriorate... I will be on the air on any satellite available and i will try to reach any awards available without considering to prostitute myself with any military or commercial organization (As always i will follow up the gentleman agreement on the air) I still believe those who are helping any amateur group launching and building amateur satellite are doing so without any pay back retribution minding in money nor in services. As a reminder the purpose of my first post was to not get involved with any military operation using AO-51 or any other amateur radio satellite. For those who want's to discuss any other matter do it privately. Here is a definition of the word stupidity that's the base i used for this text. It is wide and not restrictive to any part of my text but can vary from context to another but he never carry any pejorative intent. STUPIDITY; Stupidity is the quality or condition of being stupid, or lacking intelligence, as opposed to being merely ignorant or uneducated. This quality can be attributed to both an individual (e.g. Penny Person is stupid) or a person's actions, words or beliefs (e.g., Penny Person's policies are stupid). The term can thus also refer to poor use of judgement, or insensitivity to nuances in a person who is otherwise intelligent. The determination of who is stupid is relatively difficult, despite attempts to measure intelligence (and thus stupidity) such as IQ tests. The adjective is also used as a general pejorative (e.g. I didn't borrow your stupid cap - go look for it yourself). What's the joke here! Kevin WA6FWF wish me "no 73 for you...." Just to let you know i already get my valentine one...it's probably "a vague sign of fraternalism" "first authentic use of 73 is in the publication The National Telegraphic Review and Operators' Guide, first published in April 1857. At that time, 73 meant "My love to you"! Succeeding issues of this publication continued to use this definition of the term. Curiously enough, some of the other numerals used then had the same definition as they have now, but within a short time, the use of 73 began to change. "In the National Telegraph Convention, the numeral was changed from the Valentine-type sentiment to a vague sign of fraternalism" "-" "How far San Jose is from Castro distric in San Francisco?" Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE

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could we raise orbit etc.
by don 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

This is so on topic that it deserves to grow a life. Since both the earth and the sun have magnetic fields it may be possible, at various times depending on the relative positions of the spacecraft, earth and sun to change the spacecraft velocity by using magnetic systems. This is an interesting subject that is sure to have been discussed before, but an internet search didn't come up with much at all. Some one on the list will probably be able to point to some research on the subject. For sure it would be a slow,computation intensive endeavor but I cannot see why it, theoretically at least, cannot be done. Don ZL1THO AMSAT MEMBER 36225

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US launch vehicle history [was: Re: Godwin's law]
by Margaret Leber 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

From: Patrick McGrane [mailto:N2OEQ@aceweb.com] > The US brought Werner Von Braun here to the US to design rockets > which included the Atlas 5. Check your history. Von Braun worked on Redstone and Jupiter/Jupiter-C, since he was working for the Army. The original Atlas was the work of Karel Jan Bossart (who came to the US from Belgium in 1930), and was a USAF project. Von Braun left the Army to work for NASA at Marshall in 1960, where he led the Saturn program. Atlas 5 was a *much* more recent program, it even came after Atlas II. The first Atlas 5 flight was in 2002. Folks who read all of the thread in question know who *actually* busted Godwin's Law first. :-) -- 73 de Maggie K3XS Editor, Phil-Mont Mobile Radio Club Blurb - http://www.phil-mont.org Elecraft K2 #1641 -- AOPA 925383 -- ARRL 39280

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Pehuensat-1 heard
by john heath 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Hi chaps, Three short busrst of packet heard on the 22:30 pass here in the UK. The bird was over the mid atlantic. data bursts were too weak for MixW to dig out of the mush. 73 John G7HIA

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