July 2009 - AMSAT-BB - mailman.amsat.org

Evidence of moon landings....!
by Darin Cowan 22 Jul '09

22 Jul '09

Which is more reasonable: 1. That a 40 year grand conspiracy involving literally thousands of people from multiple, antagonistic countries, could pull off and maintain the illusion that nobody has walked on the moon. Recognizing that the Soviet Union and China both would have benefitted greatly for exposing such fakery, and recognizing that the US government by itself - let alone all the other people, organizations, and governments that have a stake in it - can't keep even a little secret like "I went to Argentina to get a piece on the side". Recognizing all the photographs, the rocks, the satellites, the orbiters, the explosion of technology and so forth. Recognizing that the governments in question have been unable, in the same time period, to keep their leaders from being shot at by simple lunatics, and that those governments haven't even been able to construct a convincing lie about WMD in the middle-east: something that really, everyone would believe with little effort? OR 2. That men have actually been on the moon as reported? The whole idea that the moon landings were faked is, quite simply, weapons-grade stupid. It flies in the face of logic and reason. No moon-conspiracy theorist has ever been able to produce a shred of evidence that anything has been faked... a task that should be INCREDIBLY easy given the number of people that have to be involved to this day. Scientists, on the other hand have produced photos, rocks, and mountains of other evidence, not the least of which is the dozen people who have actually been there, a good many of which are still walking around. People who still tout this moon-landing-fake conspiracy are nutters, plain and simple. There are many places I'd expect to find woo-woo conspiracy believers, but never on the AMSAT list. Can we please put this issue to bed and go back to satellites and radio now. -VE3OIJ

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Doug's (KD8CAO/P) recent road trip!
by Gkcarr 22 Jul '09

22 Jul '09

Ditto. George WA5KBH EM30 -----Original message----- From: David - KG4ZLB kg4zlb(a)googlemail.com Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:50:27 -0500 To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org Subject: [Spam] [amsat-bb] Doug's (KD8CAO/P) recent road trip! > All, > > I wanted to publicly thank Doug for going on the road recently and > activating grids that we might not see again for some time and more > especially for the QSL cards which he sent subsequently. Mine arrived > today, a card for each contact with full 6 character grid square > locators and County information - great for those of us that chase > these additional bits of information. > > Many thanks Doug! > > 73 > > -- > David > KG4ZLB > www.kg4zlb.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Re: AMSAT Officer Assistance
by Andrew Glasbrenner 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

All, First- If you want to get in touch with an officer or a board member, email them directly. Callsign(a)amsat.org almost always works, or go to the webpage and use the link next to their name. If it is time sensitive or very important, call the office and Martha will direct you to the appropriate person and probably even give you their phone number. Second- If you can, try investigating the question a bit before immediately passing it off. I can tell you I am running at about 150% with AMSAT things that require my attention. Not to sound crass, but at least 75% of the email questions I get could be solved with Google and 30 seconds of your time. I love helping people and helping AMSAT, but sometimes folks ought to just look on their own first. It feels better when you get the answer that way. 73, Drew KO4MA

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thanks to amsat and nasa
by andy thomas 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

I write this just after the liftoff from the moon +40 years. Many thanks to amsat and to nasa for the thrilling participation in the moon landing - again,+40. Last night as the *live* audio came over the 'net I sms/texted my (grown up) kids as if it were live - GO for powered descent, 44000 ft, 60 seconds etc - and they really got excited about it! "Sorry what?" "Where are you getting this from?" "Wicked!" My teenage son said how he could tell his son (if and when he will ever have one, hi) how his father and grandfather heard and saw it live, and how he experienced it "live" with his own father: and so the generations go on. and to get a picture live from space, with the voice of JFK - another story - Buzz, and Neil, made a superb evening and worthy of such an anniversary. many thanks andy G0SFJ

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AO-51/Apollo 11 audio/images
by Mark VandeWettering 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

I managed to dust off the Arrow antenna and my trusty little VX-3R (at the last minute I couldn't locate my TH-D7A, which I like a little better, but the VX-3R works) and aimed it at the sky. I had a bit of trouble with the manual tracking, but I recorded about 10 minutes, netting four different attempts at the SSTV image. I blogged it here: http://brainwagon.org/2009/07/20/40th-anniversary-of-apollo-11-on-ao-51/ MP3 and images are available. Not the greatest, but not terrible either. 73 Mark K6HX

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Re: AMSAT Officer Assistance
by Clint Bradford 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Just received my AMSAT board member personal contact on this inquiry. Thank you very much. Thread can end now - it is being handled. Clint Bradford, K6LCS 909-241-7666

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WD9EWK Update
by n3tl＠bellsouth.net 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Hey everyone, Patrick asked me to post the following schedule for FM-satellite passes later this afternoon and evening. AO-27 19:17 UTC - He will be on from the DM48/DM49 boundary IF he has visibility to the east. 20:58 UTC - He will be on from the DM38/DM48 grid boundary. 22:39 UTC - He will be on from the DM38/DM48 grid boundary. AO-51 23:23 UTC - He will be on from somewhere IF he has visibility to the east. 00:59 UTC - He will be on from the DM37/DM38 grid boundary. 73, Tim - N3TL

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Re: AMSAT Officer Assistance
by Clint Bradford 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

What am I doing wrong? Twice in the past month I have tried to get a personal answer from an AMSAT board member to direct questions posed by a satellite builder. Questions raised after reading our questionnaire regarding sat building. Can we please get our fecal matter together for this gentleman, and get authoritative answers to him? Or is this beyond the scope of AMSAT and its current leadership? Clint Bradford

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Re: Evidence of moon landings....!
by Jim Jerzycke 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Not so much the FCC as our wonderful public "Education" system that seems to have forgotten how to instill critical thinking in their students. Jim KQ6EA --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Joe <nss(a)mwt.net> wrote: From: Joe <nss(a)mwt.net> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....! To: "STeve Andre'" <andres(a)msu.edu>, amsat-bb(a)amsat.org Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:47 AM Why does everyone continue to try to talk to this Brain dead person. it really goes to show how the FCC has dumbed down the tests. geez STeve Andre' wrote: >On Tuesday 21 July 2009 02:52:08 Edward Cole wrote: > > >>>LeRoy, >>> >>>I'm not sure how you can have a source other than NASA, other than two >>>hams who made independant recordings of Apollo transmissions. In 1971 >>>(summer issue) a QST article talks of Dick Knadle(sp?) KRIW who got some, >>>and another ham, I believe W4HHK received signals as well. >>> >>>I'd also bet the Russian space agency has stuff. >>> >>>Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you have questions about any >>>"fakery" of moon landings, find the Myth Busters TV show. They did a >>>*really* good job of debunking several myths about how things were faked. >>> >>>I do not find this discussion OT for Amsat-bb, because this affects us. >>>It erodes the effort of tens of thousands of technical people, and has >>>ripple effects for the USA, far beyond the original topic. >>> >>>--STeve Andre' >>>wb8wsf en82 >>> >>> >[snip] > > >>Steve you can add my witness of the Lunar orbiter signal on S-band >>received on a ten foot comm dish that my supervisor with JPL set up >>in his yard using a diode mixer and a microwave signal generator for >>LO. The signal exhibited expected Doppler shift and every 20-minutes >>or so it dropped out (occulted by the Moon as the orbiter orbited >>behind). This was not Apollo-11 but one of the other missions >>afterward, to memory (long time ago - 1971). We both worked at >>Goldstone tracking facility back then. We only detected the carrier >>since the dish was insufficient size for recovering the modulated signal. >> >>73, Ed - KL7UW (then K8MWA/K6) >> >> > >Wow... I have never talked with someone who heard "raw" signals from >Apollo before. It must have been an amazing experience. So not quite >enough to decode it, but enough to get the carrier. I'm sure noise has >never been as exciting, before or since. ;-) > >Thanks for this. > >--STeve Andre' >wb8wsf en82 >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.21/2252 - Release Date: 07/21/09 05:58:00 > > > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Re: Evidence of moon landings....!
by STeve Andre' 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

On Monday 20 July 2009 10:27:12 kd8bxp(a)aol.com wrote: > It wouldn't be as hard to hoax something like that at all - > > And yes - I know what I am going to say will make people think that I got > the idea from a movie. I did not. > > But the movie Capricorn One (Which was made late 70s early 80s I believe) > is a movie about a manned program to mars - the program had problems and it > was decided to rather then have it fail - Nasa would fake it - there were > problems of course with faking it as well - namely the astronauts where > going to play along until the space craft ended up being destroyed because > of the heat shield - so the astronauts had to be killed. Anyways, total > fiction - I know it I understand. But in the movie - key personnel in Nasa > knew about the hoax - knew what was going on and miss directed the > underlings - at one point - a man working in control runs and program on > his own - saying the messages couldn't be coming from mars the signals were > too close - the director (who is in on the hoax) asks which console he is > on - and then states oh yes we have been having problems with that console > - the next day the worker is assigned a different job - but will not let > well enough alone - speaks to a reported (movie remember) - and is then > eliminated - > > Point is - if only the high up know about the hoax and the miss-direction - > then a hoax on a massive scale can be pulled off - > > Now - as I said in one of my other posts - I still have questions - but > the gentleman who has been emailing me has made me think a little more on > what was going on. > > Is it a hoax? I don't know I said that before. > I would like to think not, but I still have questions about it. > Did I just give you a movie plot for me reasons it could have been - Yes > and I fully realize it was a movie plot. And therefore not anyway real > life. Just interesting That is all I am saying. Here - I don't like the > idea of all the information coming from one source - more sources are > needed. I am open to the possibility I am wrong - I just want to see prove > from a source other then Nasa [snip] LeRoy, I'm not sure how you can have a source other than NASA, other than two hams who made independant recordings of Apollo transmissions. In 1971 (summer issue) a QST article talks of Dick Knadle(sp?) KRIW who got some, and another ham, I believe W4HHK received signals as well. I'd also bet the Russian space agency has stuff. Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you have questions about any "fakery" of moon landings, find the Myth Busters TV show. They did a *really* good job of debunking several myths about how things were faked. I do not find this discussion OT for Amsat-bb, because this affects us. It erodes the effort of tens of thousands of technical people, and has ripple effects for the USA, far beyond the original topic. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en82

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