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Re: FT-736R won't send CW
by R. Chastain 08 Jul '09

08 Jul '09

I know it's a simple anwser but make sure the CW plug is wired the same. It might be a stereo plug and wired differently for the 736R and the 767. 73's RoD --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Allen Vinegar <tokens(a)myranch.com> wrote: > From: Allen Vinegar <tokens(a)myranch.com> > Subject: [amsat-bb] FT-736R won't send CW > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 10:26 AM > I posted this to the 736R forum but > have not received any good answers. I know I must be missing > something obvious but I can't get my FT-736R to work in CW > mode. I plug in the same key I use with my FT-767GX, press > the CW button, turn on the VOX, press down the key and > nothing happens. Rig works fine on SSB and FM. Before I open > up the case and dig in, what am I missing?? > > Thanks! > > Al W8KHP > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. > Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur > satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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AMSAT Field Day Summary Sheets Due
by Bruce 08 Jul '09

08 Jul '09

If you participated in AMSAT Field Day and would like your efforts to count towards AMSAT Field Day, you have until Monday, July 13, 2009 at 11:59PM CDT to submit your entries. They can be emailed to me at kk5do(a)arrl.net or kk5do(a)amsat.org You can also send them in the mail but give plenty of time for them to arrive or you will be out of luck. I will send you a confirmation email when I receive your entry (might take a day depending on my work schedule). Photos and neat descriptions of your field day antics and events are welcome. 73...bruce -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat

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Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: Re:dream)
by Tony Langdon 08 Jul '09

08 Jul '09

At 04:05 AM 7/8/2009, kd8bxp(a)aol.com wrote: >So let's say I know your personal capcode - I send to you making a >call up now "KF8II de KD8BXP pls call on 40meter 7.100 at 2200z" > >I think that would be 100% legal. So it is all about content and not >about the techonolgy of it being a oneway device I'd agree with this logic. It is establishing a QSO, albeit on a different frequency. Similarly, a pager could be used to send signal reports, when there's only a 1 way path. For example, I can hear someone on HF, but they can't hear me, I could send a page saying "UR 5x1, can't reply, amp no go" . Now this is becoming a real time, cross band, cross mode QSO, and those ARE legal. :) 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com

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Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:Re:dream)
by Tony Langdon 08 Jul '09

08 Jul '09

At 02:28 AM 7/8/2009, kd8bxp(a)aol.com wrote: >I don't have the time or money to go into a legal battle with FCC - >and I don't want to loose my license if this is in their minds >illegal. I am just not willing to do that - Well, the worst case scenario I see is that because you acted in good faith, not with intent to break the rules, the FCC would write to you advising that they consider what you're doing to be illegal, please stop. If you have any questions, please contact... So, all you'd have to do if you got the letter would be to stop operating your pager transmitter, and THEN, since they initiated contact, give the FCC a call and discuss it further. >There is no reason that I can see to break the law (maybe) and let >it sort itself out latter. The rules are sometimes vague for a reason. The FCC (or whoever) don't have a crystal ball, and can't fully predict which way technology will be develop or used. If they see a problem, they will advise those they judge to be of concern. I can't see them slapping a fine on you without warning, when you're not doing anything malicious. Worst I'd expect is a cease and desist letter (and if you got one of those, THEN you'd better stop what they asked you to stop doing! :) ). Speaking of rules, in Australia, there has been a trend towards taking out specifics (such as modes allowed on each band) and replacing them with more general limits, such as bandwidth. This is another sign of the authorities saying we should organise our own sandpit to play in (they just tell us where we can play), but play nice and don't give anyone a "free ride" where they aren't allowed to go. :) 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com

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EN86 Drummond Island MI
by John Papay 08 Jul '09

08 Jul '09

Doug, KD8CAO, is now active from EN86, Drummond Island, MI. He worked 17 stations on the last AO51 pass at 2240Z, 7 July 09. He will be active soon on the ssb birds. EN86 is a very rare grid; XE2AT, who is at the top of the VUCC leader board with 900 grids confirmed, still needs it! Doug should be active on Wednesday from EN86 and will be heading back through EN76 Thursday. He only made a few contacts today on his way through EN76. He reports that he has no internet connection on the island but his cellphone is working. He has been using his TH-D7AG and the Arrow on the FM birds but plans to set up the TS2000 with doppler control now that he is on the island. Hope you can make a contact. John K8YSE k8yse(a)amsat.org

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That was GREAT!
by Rick - WA4NVM 08 Jul '09

08 Jul '09

Hi All, It sure was nice to see everyone recognize a rare grid on the bird, work it, and back off to let everyone else work it. I'm referring to the A0-51 pass just now (2238utc) with Doug - KD8CAO in EN86. I was very proud of all the operators during the peak time (the after work crowd) pass of the bird. It shows it can be done..... and thanks to all those that make the effort to activate those rare grids. 73 all from Memphis, Rick - WA4NVM

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W1AW/8
by Mark Spencer 07 Jul '09

07 Jul '09

Thanks to all who helped out with the satellite demonstration during the ARRL teachers institute held in Dayton OH today. The contacts were on AO27 during the 1515 EST pass. For those that contacted me (I was using W1AW/8) that would like a QSL, just send me a card at my call book address and I will return the favor (no SASE required). 73 and CU again from HQ (Newington) July 28th on AO27 and the afternoon pass (EST), there I will of course use W1AW. Mark Mark Spencer, WA8SME ARRL-The national association for Amateur Radio Education and Technology Program Coordinator mspencer(a)arrl.org http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/ 530-495-9150

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Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:Re:dream)
by Roger Kolakowski 07 Jul '09

07 Jul '09

Don't forget the 6 meter Model control frequencies... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: <kd8bxp(a)aol.com> To: <dave(a)mynatt.biz>; <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org>; "'Bob Bruninga '" <bruninga(a)usna.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:Re:dream) > Good afternoon to all - > On the subject of amatuer paging > > While in an email letter to Nigel (sorry I don't remember his call) > I may have just convenced (sp) myself that paging is probably perfectly legal in the ham bands > > Let's see if I can follow my own logic and then let's get a paging network up and running :-) > > I am not In front of my computer and not looking at Part 97 - so I maybe off a bit > > There are a couple of parts of part 97 that applie > > Paging is a digital mode - YES got that covered > POCSAG the format for paging is open and avaiable to anyone who wants to use it - freely avaible protocal - YES got that covered > > The issue comes when you think as pageing as a one way device - now Part 97 limits what type of one way transmittions we can do - I think it specifically say there are three types of one way transmittions we can do. I can't remember all of them - the two I do remember and I think applie are trying to make a QSO and the telemetery - weather, local and national emergancy, dx reports, would fit without question into the telemetery area - each can be set on its own capcode and every amateur pager can have those cap codes programmed into it - However > Pagers all have a "personal" capcode - we have a choice of either setting all of the personal capcodes to the same one - not using personal and not recording the personal capcodes - OR finding the reasoning why a personal capcode is legal to use - > We are allowed to make one way transmittions to establish a QSO - as I said I am not looking at part 97 but as I recall - it doesn't say we have to establish on the same band or at the same time - just that we can use it to establish a QSO - > So let's say I know your personal capcode - I send to you making a call up now "KF8II de KD8BXP pls call on 40meter 7.100 at 2200z" > > I think that would be 100% legal. So it is all about content and not about the techonolgy of it being a oneway device > > LeRoy, KD8BXP > http://www.HamOhio.com > > Sent on the Now Network from my Sprint® BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave" <dave(a)mynatt.biz> > > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:28:27 > To: <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org>; 'Bob Bruninga '<bruninga(a)usna.edu> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: Re: > dream) > > > Doesn't anyone know someone at the FCC to get a prelim opinion or 'sense of > the commission' without a rule having to be made? A phone call maybe... > > > Dave > DM78qd // KA0SWT > If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be > eating frozen radio dinners.-- Johnny Carson > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Bruninga > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:55 AM > To: Ben Jackson > Cc: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: Re: > dream) > > >> Using paging devices on Amateur Radio is perfectly legal like any > >> other radio. It all boils down to use. If you use it for setting up > >> a one-way systemm for a pizza delivery service, it is clearly > >> illegal. If you use it as part of your overall local communications > >> network of amateur radio volunters it is just one more tool in the > >> tool box. > > > > Unfortunately, the way Part 97 currently reads is that most pager > > transmissions to an individual are illegal under §97.111(b), as it is > > a "one way" > > transmission that, in most cases, would not qualify under the "legal" > > list. > > Sorry, one can also claim that every transmission is one-way because only > under full duplex conditions is a system truely two-way. There are all > kinds of applications in amateur radio where one side of the link uses > different hardware than the other return side, and once can make all kinds > of arguments as to how much delay is involved between the transmission and > the receiption.. 3 seconds? 10 seconds, a minute? 10 minutes? A day? > When you make a call to a party TO ESTABLISH commmunications it is one way, > until the person gets his system going and responds. > > In my mind a pager is just another way of making the call. THe intent is > NOT ONE WAY, it is to provide a call-up or a message as part of a CLEARLY > TWO-WAY amateur network. > > There is no reason to nit pick rules. When one is broadcasting (one way) to > the general public or using amateur radio inappropriately, I think everyone > can tell when it is blatanly illegal. I just don't see the FCC cares one > nit about some of these debates when any one can see that hams are taking > initiative to better their use of the radio art. > > >> You just have to ignore the curmudgeons who have nothing better to do > >> than nit-pick ways to prevent other hams from developing useful > >> applications of technology. A pager is simply the text-to-user > >> device integrated into the normal local 2-way amateur radio > >> communications system. > > > > The issue is that, according to Part 97, it can't be used beyond QSTs, > > telemetry, or "necessary" > > emergency communications. Could I get away with setting up such a > > system? Likely. Do I foot to stand on when my local OO comes knocking? > > Not so much. > > Some OO's are part of the problem, not the solution... > > >> An amateur satellite would make a great downlink to these pagers. > >> Again, the goal should simply be, any message, any time, anywhere > >> using any device to any user by callsign alone. > > Bob, WB4APR > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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missing a drop cord
by John Price 07 Jul '09

07 Jul '09

Picked up my satellite station from Geep's place this afternoon. Seems all is there except one heavy drop cord. It is black I believe and about 25 foot long. It goes in my camper. It is #12 wire. If you have one and don't know were it is supposed to live please let me know. If you think of anyone else that might have had stuff to pack up please let me know. Thanks << John -- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator AO-7,AO-27,FO-29,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52,ISS Email N4QWF(a)AMSAT.ORG Echolink nodes #110903 -L #388463 http://home.comcast.net/~n4qwf/site/ Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ Amsat Member #27845 DXCC #33,478 VUCC SAT #135 WAS SAT #296 51 on AO-51 #13 LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il >From the Foothills of the Blueridge *Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"

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Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:Re:dream)
by John B. Stephensen 07 Jul '09

07 Jul '09

In 97.111 the following one-way transmissions are authorized: (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations. (6) Transmissions necessary to distribute information bulletins. 73, John KD6OZH ----- Original Message ----- From: <kd8bxp(a)aol.com> To: <dave(a)mynatt.biz>; <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org>; "'Bob Bruninga '" <bruninga(a)usna.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 18:05 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:Re:dream) > Good afternoon to all - > On the subject of amatuer paging > > While in an email letter to Nigel (sorry I don't remember his call) > I may have just convenced (sp) myself that paging is probably perfectly > legal in the ham bands > > Let's see if I can follow my own logic and then let's get a paging network > up and running :-) > > I am not In front of my computer and not looking at Part 97 - so I maybe > off a bit > > There are a couple of parts of part 97 that applie > > Paging is a digital mode - YES got that covered > POCSAG the format for paging is open and avaiable to anyone who wants to > use it - freely avaible protocal - YES got that covered > > The issue comes when you think as pageing as a one way device - now Part > 97 limits what type of one way transmittions we can do - I think it > specifically say there are three types of one way transmittions we can do. > I can't remember all of them - the two I do remember and I think applie > are trying to make a QSO and the telemetery - weather, local and national > emergancy, dx reports, would fit without question into the telemetery > area - each can be set on its own capcode and every amateur pager can have > those cap codes programmed into it - However > Pagers all have a "personal" capcode - we have a choice of either setting > all of the personal capcodes to the same one - not using personal and not > recording the personal capcodes - OR finding the reasoning why a personal > capcode is legal to use - > We are allowed to make one way transmittions to establish a QSO - as I > said I am not looking at part 97 but as I recall - it doesn't say we have > to establish on the same band or at the same time - just that we can use > it to establish a QSO - > So let's say I know your personal capcode - I send to you making a call up > now "KF8II de KD8BXP pls call on 40meter 7.100 at 2200z" > > I think that would be 100% legal. So it is all about content and not about > the techonolgy of it being a oneway device > > LeRoy, KD8BXP > http://www.HamOhio.com > > Sent on the Now Network from my Sprint® BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave" <dave(a)mynatt.biz> > > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:28:27 > To: <AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org>; 'Bob Bruninga '<bruninga(a)usna.edu> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: > Re: > dream) > > > Doesn't anyone know someone at the FCC to get a prelim opinion or 'sense > of > the commission' without a rule having to be made? A phone call maybe... > > > Dave > DM78qd // KA0SWT > If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still > be > eating frozen radio dinners.-- Johnny Carson > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Bruninga > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:55 AM > To: Ben Jackson > Cc: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: > Re: > dream) > >>> Using paging devices on Amateur Radio is perfectly legal like any >>> other radio. It all boils down to use. If you use it for setting up >>> a one-way systemm for a pizza delivery service, it is clearly >>> illegal. If you use it as part of your overall local communications >>> network of amateur radio volunters it is just one more tool in the >>> tool box. >> >> Unfortunately, the way Part 97 currently reads is that most pager >> transmissions to an individual are illegal under §97.111(b), as it is >> a "one way" >> transmission that, in most cases, would not qualify under the "legal" >> list. > > Sorry, one can also claim that every transmission is one-way because only > under full duplex conditions is a system truely two-way. There are all > kinds of applications in amateur radio where one side of the link uses > different hardware than the other return side, and once can make all kinds > of arguments as to how much delay is involved between the transmission and > the receiption.. 3 seconds? 10 seconds, a minute? 10 minutes? A day? > When you make a call to a party TO ESTABLISH commmunications it is one > way, > until the person gets his system going and responds. > > In my mind a pager is just another way of making the call. THe intent is > NOT ONE WAY, it is to provide a call-up or a message as part of a CLEARLY > TWO-WAY amateur network. > > There is no reason to nit pick rules. When one is broadcasting (one way) > to > the general public or using amateur radio inappropriately, I think > everyone > can tell when it is blatanly illegal. I just don't see the FCC cares one > nit about some of these debates when any one can see that hams are taking > initiative to better their use of the radio art. > >>> You just have to ignore the curmudgeons who have nothing better to do >>> than nit-pick ways to prevent other hams from developing useful >>> applications of technology. A pager is simply the text-to-user >>> device integrated into the normal local 2-way amateur radio >>> communications system. >> >> The issue is that, according to Part 97, it can't be used beyond QSTs, >> telemetry, or "necessary" >> emergency communications. Could I get away with setting up such a >> system? Likely. Do I foot to stand on when my local OO comes knocking? >> Not so much. > > Some OO's are part of the problem, not the solution... > >>> An amateur satellite would make a great downlink to these pagers. >>> Again, the goal should simply be, any message, any time, anywhere >>> using any device to any user by callsign alone. > > Bob, WB4APR > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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