AMSAT-BB September 2012

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Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
by Andrew Glasbrenner 25 Sep '12

25 Sep '12

>As it turns out there IS no launch fund for any HEO satellite for me to >contribute to. Incorrect. http://www.amsat-dl.org/index.php/spendendonations-topmenu-125 I've given to AMSAT-NA, -DL, and -UK, and am members of -NA and -UK. I'd be a member of -DL, but my wife gets tired of me asking what this and that means in Deutsch. 73, Drew KO4MA

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Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7, Issue 312)
by Trevor . 25 Sep '12

25 Sep '12

> Clearly, we must expand beyond the amateur radio community > to raise funds of this magnitude, but to do so requires > both a non-amateur radio "vision" to what a HEO satellite > would provide (e.g. excite non-amateurs) as well as a > "Case for Support" that would attract major donors, > such as foundations. Very well put Barry. If we look at the Kickstarter site we can see satellite projects that between them have raised almost $300,000 yet the online Fundraising by the projects took just 30 days. ArduSat - $106,330 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/575960623/ardusat-your-arduino-experime… KickSat - $74,587 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zacinaction/kicksat-your-personal-space… SkyCube - $116,890 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/880837561/skycube-the-first-satellite-l… None of the individuals involved in those projects has any previous track record in building and launching satellites, yet lots of people were happy to back them with hard cash. How is it people with no proven track record can so easily raise such sums of money ? It's down to communications, they actively sought to engage with people and involve them in what they were doing. I think there's something we can learn here. Across the world millions of people are keen on space and would love to be involved in a space project, even if it's just donating $25 to it - We need to reach out to them. 73 Trevor M5AKA

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I have the answer!
by K4FEG 25 Sep '12

25 Sep '12

AMSAT needs to form a union, overpay it's employees, then the leadership can tell the US government that if we don't get a massive infusion of taxpayer dollars that AMSAT will have to file for bankruptcy, therefore putting all of those high paid union employees out of a job, and as a side bar we can tell them that we are doing solar panel research as well. Hell with the way this president likes to throw money away, I figure we'll have over $500,000,000.00 by election day(isn't that what they gave that solar cell company a few months ago?) You boy's at HQ gotta think outside the box! we could put transponder on the moon with that kinda cash! I think I'll go listen to some telemetry to soothe my jangled nerves! See how easy that was to solve!

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Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
by Andrew Glasbrenner 25 Sep '12

25 Sep '12

>someone points out that it is in fact, no longer our band? > 70cm is a shared band, and is where the bulk of the cubes go. Amateur radio is a secondary user. Were the satellites (at least from the US) to apply for a part 5 experimental license, they could and would use the exact same frequencies. In fact, it's happened already. It's a moot point about "our band" vs. "their band". We need to adapt or perish, as plain as that. >More seriously: I see the FOX PayPal applet saying a little under $7.5k >at the present. How long has it taken to raise that amount? That portion of the funding dates from about when ARISSat reentered in January, and we switched widgets to the current Fox one. More was raised from direct mailings to members. >How much >do we actually need? Or to get to the crux of the matter, at the >current rate, when will we hit the required target, in comparison to >when we need to pay for the launch? "We" have a subsidized launch already courtesy of NASA's ELANA program, because of the educational aspect. Current estimate is late 2013, details to be determined. Other flight opportunities for additional spacecraft are pending. The funds being raised now go towards construction and other costs. See http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/fox/ for more info. All of this is regularly updated in letters and the Journal that go to current paid members, as well as ANS and on the website. 73, Drew KO4MA

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Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
by wa4hfn＠comcast.net 24 Sep '12

24 Sep '12

More space junk JUNK as far as we hams care. How many of these things do you need. Send up a good repeater and we will all be happy Beep Beep Beep Beep Beep Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vu Trong Thu" <thuvt(a)fpt.edu.vn> To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:29:18 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat Dear everyone, According to latest news from JAXA, deployment of the 5 CubeSats to space by the robotic arm of Kibo module on the ISS will be carried out on Thursday, September 27. Here is the plan: - First, 15h10 to 15h20: WE WISH and RAIKO from POD #1 - Second,16h30 to 16h40: TechEdSat, F-1 và FITSAT-1 from POD#2 All time in UTC. The event is planned to be broadcasted live on the following websites: http://iss.jaxa.jp/iss/jaxa_exp/hoshide/library/live/ http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv 30 minutes after deployment from the station, F-1 will begin transmitting beacon alternatively on its main and backup channels. Telemetry and beacon data from F-1 contain critical information about the satellite’s health (battery & solar cell voltages, temperature readings) and they are very important to us, especially in the first week of operation. Thus, we would like to ask the amateur radio community to help in tracking and receiving data from F-1 CubeSat. Here’s a quick summary of F-1’ frequencies: - 145.980 MHz: main channel, 1.0W RF output, FM, AFSK 1200bps, one telemetry packet every 30 seconds, operates in the dark by default (but can be commanded later to operate in sunlight as well) - 437.485 MHz: backup channel, 0.2W RF output, FM, PWM CW beacon, each beacon transmission lasts about 20 seconds then 60 seconds delay, only operates in sunlight More information and guide to download F-1 telemetry decoder can be found at http://fspace.edu.vn/?page_id=27. Decoded data can be submitted to us via the telemetry decoder or by sending to me directly (thuvt(a)fpt.edu.vn), audio records are highly appreciated. Please feel free to send me a message if there is any question. We would really appreciate your kind support! 73, Thu XV9AA F-1 CubeSat Project Manager _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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UT1FG QSLs
by Dave Webb KB1PVH 24 Sep '12

24 Sep '12

For those interested, My grid confirmations just arrived in the mail today from Yuri's QSL manager, so I'm sure those of you who are waiting may see them soon also. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR

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Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
by Mike Rupprecht 24 Sep '12

24 Sep '12

Dear Thu, ... good luck for an successful mission! As you already know - my station is up and running to support you and your student group. Looking forward to receiving F-1 telemetry. Best wishes, 73 Mike DK3WN -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: amsat-bb-bounces(a)amsat.org [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Vu Trong Thu Gesendet: Montag, 24. September 2012 13:29 An: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org Betreff: [amsat-bb] Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat Dear everyone, According to latest news from JAXA, deployment of the 5 CubeSats to space by the robotic arm of Kibo module on the ISS will be carried out on Thursday, September 27. Here is the plan: - First, 15h10 to 15h20: WE WISH and RAIKO from POD #1 - Second,16h30 to 16h40: TechEdSat, F-1 và FITSAT-1 from POD#2 All time in UTC. The event is planned to be broadcasted live on the following websites: http://iss.jaxa.jp/iss/jaxa_exp/hoshide/library/live/ http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv 30 minutes after deployment from the station, F-1 will begin transmitting beacon alternatively on its main and backup channels. Telemetry and beacon data from F-1 contain critical information about the satellite’s health (battery & solar cell voltages, temperature readings) and they are very important to us, especially in the first week of operation. Thus, we would like to ask the amateur radio community to help in tracking and receiving data from F-1 CubeSat. Here’s a quick summary of F-1’ frequencies: - 145.980 MHz: main channel, 1.0W RF output, FM, AFSK 1200bps, one telemetry packet every 30 seconds, operates in the dark by default (but can be commanded later to operate in sunlight as well) - 437.485 MHz: backup channel, 0.2W RF output, FM, PWM CW beacon, each beacon transmission lasts about 20 seconds then 60 seconds delay, only operates in sunlight More information and guide to download F-1 telemetry decoder can be found at http://fspace.edu.vn/?page_id=27. Decoded data can be submitted to us via the telemetry decoder or by sending to me directly (thuvt(a)fpt.edu.vn), audio records are highly appreciated. Please feel free to send me a message if there is any question. We would really appreciate your kind support! 73, Thu XV9AA F-1 CubeSat Project Manager _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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ARRL - Michael Owen VK3KI (SK)
by Trevor . 24 Sep '12

24 Sep '12

ARRL note the contribution of Michael Owen VK3KI (SK) to the Amateur-satellite Service: “Among the assignments that Michael drew at WARC-79 was to draft a resolution to exempt the Amateur-Satellite Service from coordination procedures that otherwise would have bogged us down in endless paperwork and great expense. As an attorney it was just the sort of thing he was good at. His work has stood the test of time, and it remains in effect to this day. No good deed goes unpunished, so in 2003, he was brought back to Geneva as a member of the IARU team to handle the rewrite of Article 25, the rules that apply specifically to the Amateur and Amateur-Satellite Services." See http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-3-chairman-michael-owen-vk3ki-sk 73 Trevor M5AKA

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Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
by Trevor . 24 Sep '12

24 Sep '12

Thanks for the update Thu. I appreciate the work that you and the students from the FPT University have put into this project. I hope the deployment of F-1 and the other CubeSats will be a success and I look forward to receiving the signals. 73 Trevor M5AKA --- On Mon, 24/9/12, Vu Trong Thu <thuvt(a)fpt.edu.vn> wrote: > From: Vu Trong Thu <thuvt(a)fpt.edu.vn> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Date: Monday, 24 September, 2012, 12:29 > Dear everyone, > > According to latest news from JAXA, deployment of the 5 > CubeSats to space by > the robotic arm of Kibo module on the ISS will be carried > out on Thursday, > September 27. Here is the plan: > > - First, 15h10 to 15h20: > WE WISH and RAIKO from POD #1 > > - Second,16h30 to 16h40: > TechEdSat, F-1 và FITSAT-1 from POD#2 > > > > All time in UTC. The event is planned to be broadcasted live > on the > following websites: > > http://iss.jaxa.jp/iss/jaxa_exp/hoshide/library/live/ > > http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv > > > > 30 minutes after deployment from the station, F-1 will begin > transmitting > beacon alternatively on its main and backup channels. > Telemetry and beacon > data from F-1 contain critical information about the > satellite’s health > (battery & solar cell voltages, temperature readings) > and they are very > important to us, especially in the first week of operation. > Thus, we would > like to ask the amateur radio community to help in tracking > and receiving > data from F-1 CubeSat. > > > > Here’s a quick summary of F-1’ frequencies: > > - 145.980 MHz: main > channel, 1.0W RF output, FM, AFSK 1200bps, one > telemetry packet every 30 seconds, operates in the dark by > default (but can > be commanded later to operate in sunlight as well) > > - 437.485 MHz: backup > channel, 0.2W RF output, FM, PWM CW beacon, > each beacon transmission lasts about 20 seconds then 60 > seconds delay, only > operates in sunlight > > > > More information and guide to download F-1 telemetry decoder > can be found at > http://fspace.edu.vn/?page_id=27. Decoded data can be > submitted to us via > the telemetry decoder or by sending to me directly (thuvt(a)fpt.edu.vn), > audio > records are highly appreciated. > > > > Please feel free to send me a message if there is any > question. We would > really appreciate your kind support! > > > > 73, > > Thu XV9AA > > F-1 CubeSat Project Manager > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. > Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur > satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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my 2 cents
by Bob- W7LRD 24 Sep '12

24 Sep '12

Now with my system back up and running I can pay closer attention to the "goings" on. We regularly read here about the usual complaining and belly aching about FM vs linear sats, no HEO. Whining that no one is listening to "ME". We appear to coddle the new beginner, and we should provide them the necessary guidance to get going. Now we have to smooze the "educational" aspect of satellite creation. The caveat should be, hang a transponder on it. I read of some of our European friends dismanteling their antennas, others refusing to join AMSAT or any other satellite organization for whatever reason. I don't like to pay taxes but I must, I/we should look at it the same way. Those "things" up there in space just didn't just happen. The days of a cheap/free ride are gone, it's all about money to get there. With the bean counters in charge now. We try to make "easy sats". Personally I don't want easy sats. I want hard sats. I want to be challenged to the point of ripping my hair (what's left) out. I started with satellites in the mid 90's not because it was easy, but because it was hard. It made me work at it. It challenged my limited capabilities, and through that I gained confidence to try even more. Like try to work a LEO with a L/S transponder. Try keeping up with that puppy. My late father told me, "the difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer". By Challenging ourselves we keep the old curmudgeons happy (if that's possible). Back in my corner now. I'll try not to relive the AO-40 days (sobsob) here, I know it gets old for some of you. Though it was a killer satellite! 73 Bob W7LRD Seattle

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