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AO-92 Mode L/v postponed
by Andrew Glasbrenner 15 Jul '20

15 Jul '20

I placed AO-92 in Mode L/v this evening at 0302Z. I tested the L band uplink and it was fine. About 6 minutes later and after I had quit listening, the voltage on the satellite dipped below 3.6v and it went into auto safe mode very briefly before exiting eclipse and rebounding. When entering auto safe mode, the L converter is reset to off. So, despite the mode change we are back into U/v. In a way this is good because auto safe mode is doing its job protecting the batteries from over discharge. Until I can work with the engineering team as to the best way forward, we'll have to postpone L/v for now. Sorry, and I'll share more when I know it. 73, Drew KO4MA AMSAT VP Operations

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Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
by Daniel Schultz 15 Jul '20

15 Jul '20

> The benefit to Slack is having channels for each topic. In this case, > discussion about Board Membership can be in it's own channel. People who > are not interested are not required to read. That is the basic problem with American politics today. Each of us can choose our own news sources so that we hear only the news that we want to hear. When the whole country tuned in to Uncle Walt (that's Walter Cronkite for you younger folk) every night at 6:30, we still had disagreements but at least we started out with the same facts. I'm sorry if you find these political matters distracting, but as I said before, these satellites are not going to build themselves. They take extreme effort and dedication from a lot of passionate people, and any time you have more than a few of these type-A personalities assembled together, there will be disagreements. Your support of AMSAT through your dues is important, but paying dues once a year is not enough. You have to be an involved citizen of YOUR organization, you have to keep up with issues, even political issues, and you have to cast your vote wisely. And if you care enough to read Amsat-bb every day but you are not an AMSAT member, why the heck not? We need your money, but more importantly, we need your active participation. 73, Dan Schultz N8FGV

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Field Day results are due soon
by Bruce 15 Jul '20

15 Jul '20

Time is drawing near. If you have not submitted your field day report, you still have a little bit of time left. They are due to me at kk5do at arrl.net or kk5do at amsat.org by Friday, July 17, 2020 at 11:59 PM. Even if you only made one contact, you can still submit. 73...bruce -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards AMSAT Board Member 2016-2020 ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat

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AO-27
by Steve Kristoff 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

Did AO-27 shut down in the middle of a pass over N. America in the most recent pass a few minutes ago (or was it just me)? I heard some folks and was ready to call, then nothing but static. Steve AI9IN

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Former AMSAT President Barry Baines, WD4ASW, Endorses N8HM, N8MH, and KK5DO
by Upward To HEO 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

We are honored to receive the endorsement of former AMSAT President Barry Baines, WD4ASW, in this year's AMSAT Board of Directors election. Please read his letter at https://www.upwardtoheo.com/updates/former-amsat-president-barry-baines-wd4… While you're there, please check out our biographies and information about our plans on our website. We'd like your support. Together we will return amateur radio to HEO! 73, Paul, N8HM / Mark, N8MH / Bruce, KK5DO www.upwardtoheo.com

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Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim
by Rich Gopstein 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

First: I'm not a lawyer. These are my observations only. This is what I learned over the past few days while researching the claim that the AMSAT money spent on legal services related to the new directors was "unauthorized". - I read the AMSAT bylaws. They are very readable, BTW - and not long. - The bylaws say that expenses can be authorized either by the board itself or by the officers of AMSAT if the board delegates that authority. - If an expense went to the board for approval, it would show up in the minutes of that board meeting. - If an expense were authorized by an officer, then it wouldn't show up in the minutes of a board meeting. - The claim that the expenses were unauthorized was based on the observation that there was no record in the board meeting minutes of the authorization. However, as mentioned above, not everything has to go to the board for approval. And that decision is up to the board itself. - In this case, the members of the AMSAT board at the time said that the expenses were authorized. - Since the board has the authority to authorize expenditures (directly or indirectly) and they say the expenses were authorized, that indicates to me that the expenses were authorized. Note: Michelle and Patrick were not members of the board when this happened. They were analyzing this after the fact. Rich KD2CQ AMSAT Life Member

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Emergency Moderation Update.
by Robert Bankston 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

As you may or may not be aware, our IT department activated the Emergency Moderation feature last night. I am restoring AMSAT-BB back to full functionality; however I offer you this stern warning. If you violate AMSAT's Acceptable Use Policy, you will be individually moderated. This will serve as your first warning. A second offense will result in permanent removal from the list. Subscribing to the AMSAT-BB is a privilege, not a right. If you feel free to yell, scream, attack, and/or make false/baseless accusations, do it in your own back yard. It will not be tolerated here. Myself and my volunteer moderators are not here to babysit you. Read the AUP and understand this List is for constructive discussion, appropriate in content and respectful of the other readers. https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/AMSAT_AUP_061819… understand Robert Bankston, KE4AL Vice-President, User Services Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)

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Re: [amsat-bb] Slack vs. eMail -- The medium is the message
by Ciemon Dunville 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

Good luck with that. I too think that email is too slow and cumbersome for conversations these days so I set up a Discord server and whilst there was an initial influx of people there are usually only about 10 consistently there these days. I've set up extra channels for topics and countries, there could me more but it would seem that the AMSAT crowd are content with the way things are. Should you want a look at the Discord server the invitation link is https://discord.gg/S8M9NP2 73 Ciemon G0TRT

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Candidate Statements
by Ev Tupis 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

Where would one go to learn who the candidates are and what they wish to accomplish if elected?

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amsat-bb now on emergency moderation.
by Joseph B. Fitzgerald 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

The amsat-bb list has been placed in "Emergency Moderation" mode as of approximately 02:30 UTC Tuesday due to numerous violations of the Acceptable Use Policy for the AMSAT Public Mailing Lists. In relevant part: "Strong disagreements on issues are inevitable, but the AMSAT mailing lists are not the place for exchanges which become spiteful, unproductive exchanges. If you must have a heated exchange, it should be conducted privately and not in public on a mailing list. In addition, you agree that as a user of the AMSAT Lists, you will not ...communicate any .... vulgar, hateful ... material of any sort." Outgoing mail from the AMSAT mail server is rate limited. Recent unusually high list traffic has caused some delivery delays prior to the emergency moderation action made at 02:30 UTC. Joe Fitzgerald KM1P AMSAT IT

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Why we are having this big unpleasant argument on your satellite mailing list
by Bruce Perens 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

Most of you are members of AMSAT. IMO the organization has some serious problems, and as members it is your duty to steer the organization with your votes. That means that you should remain aware of what is going on and you should make an informed vote. The satellite discussions go on, mostly uninterrupted, all year. A short break for politics is not unreasonable, and acrimonious discussion is to be expected when we take that break. Organisations are run by people who would not be doing the work if they did not have strong emotions about it. And they all have their own failings. Unfortunately, volunteer non-profit directors (and many public ones in big corporations) never learn a critical skill of democracy: *how to deal properly with opposition. *That is the root of what we are arguing about now. Opposition are not the enemy! Yet, they are clearly being treated as such. They are simply people who would reform the organization or take it in a different direction from the incumbents. In this case, Michelle and Patrick, before they were elected, were the loyal opposition - dedicated to a better organization, and deeply troubled by the decisions and conduct of the incumbent board. The incumbent's response was not to work with the opposition, but to hunker down and use lawyers. To the incumbent's great distress, the very same people got sent to the board by the membership! Leading to more lawyers. IMO the incumbents should have read this as a signal from the membership, rather than doubling down their resistance. The sad reality is that the newly-elected directors have never been allowed to function as directors. You should be concerned, since they are the people whom you elected to represent you. The main means used to disable your elected representatives has been refusal by the incumbents to hold board meetings. This refusal is almost total, with exactly *one* meeting being held after the organization's annual convention. The second means used to disenfranchise the newly-elected directors was that the incumbents withheld information which a director would generally be expected to have access to. As it happened, this information was at least in part discussion of those very same people, and contracting of legal counsel in a process against them. Every board has the right to legal counsel. But it's expensive, and must be used wisely. This was not a wise use. A wise use would have been to engage the opposition rather than to hunker down. One very large cause of all of this is that the same people have been running AMSAT for a very long time, and it becomes an echo chamber after a while - the us-vs-them mentality of the board vs. the opposition - but really the board vs. everyone else - becomes self-reinforcing. This is obviously wrong for the organization. The solution is simple, and every organization needs it: *regular turn-over of the people in the organization's leadership. *Not the stratification that we currently have. You can fix this by electing more new blood to the board. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually :-)

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Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read (Bruce Perens)
by Paul F. Merrill 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

> > Bruce - I responded to you privately - it took effort on your part to > choose to add the entire group to your reply. By doing so, you've > extablished, for me at least, your level of trustworthiness and integrity > in this discussion. Paul > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:09:12 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: "Paul F. Merrill" <marinesvcs(a)gmail.com>, AMSAT BB > <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read > Message-ID: > < > CAK2MWOv13HXELW1kRJiZWGo2GUTBXgOV39atn5xVWY5SrKztzw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The point I was trying to make was that by posing Robert's Rules as the > tool of unsavory individuals, you seem to pose all rules that way. I think > we should both agree that corporate directors should know their bylaws. It > was my experience that Clayton did not read them before taking on operating > the AMSAT election. AMSAT had to be told that it had a responsibility to > provide addresses to the candidates for campaigning. The bylaws also call > for the organizations publications to be available for campaigning - which > is still not being fulfilled. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 12:31 AM Paul F. Merrill <marinesvcs(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I know what they are. It was an example, perhaps too subtle, of the > > continually-plumbed depths of human dipshittery. > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 23:01 Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> wrote: > > > >> Paul, > >> > >> Roberts Rules are regarding parliamentary procedure. AMSAT's bylaws are > >> at > >> > https://www.amsat.org/bylaws-of-the-radio-amateur-satellite-corporation/ > >> . They do not specify parliamentary procedure. They are about > >> responsibilities of a director, elections, etc. And if you have the > choice, > >> Roberts is an antique, good parliamentarians use Sturgis. > >> > >> Bruce > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:12 PM Paul F. Merrill via AMSAT-BB < > >> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > >> > >>> I agree that this mailing list has strayed from its strongest > >>> contribution: > >>> satellite information, discussion, and mentoring. > >>> > >>> I come from, and have been on the BOD of, a professional organization > >>> for a > >>> number of years now. > >>> > >>> FWIW, I know too well that an organization often lawyers up to protect > >>> itself, and in our issues, our attorney was engaged to act solely on > >>> behalf > >>> of the Organization and not necessarily current management. > >>> > >>> This thread has turned in to a long, ugly diatribe filled with > >>> accusations, > >>> counter-accusations, and painfully-obvious shills. I am a > >>> recently-renewed > >>> member who doesn?t have a dog in the fight, so I just want what?s best > >>> for > >>> AMSAT. > >>> > >>> Sadly, the stereotypes are starting to show - the members who > contribute > >>> nothing but want to tear down those ?In power,? the members who > >>> contribute > >>> nothing and don?t want anyone to make waves, and the few who actually > do > >>> anything. As a number of people have commented, working in a > non-profit > >>> or > >>> unpaid leadership role is utterly thankless, which is lost on many > >>> people - > >>> especially those who have never labored in this sort of endeavor. > >>> > >>> My favorite story from our times of trouble is when our Parliamentarian > >>> said, ?Roberts Rules are the last refuge of a scoundrel. Grown men and > >>> women should be able to comport themselves reasonably...but then I?d be > >>> out > >>> of a job.? I?m taking a little license with his exact words, but the > >>> sentiment, along with my experience, formed my native distrust of those > >>> who > >>> are right and everyone and everything before them is wrong. > So...there?s > >>> my bias. I will examine that, and all the information I can before I > >>> vote. I hope everyone else will take the time and expend the effort to > >>> vote as intelligently as they can. > >>> > >>> My overriding guidance to my Association is that we contribute to the > >>> group > >>> so that we all benefit from the group. A strong organization should > >>> outlive us. > >>> > >>> Personally, I can?t wait to vote and hopefully put a fork in this. > >>> > >>> Paul / W7IV > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ????????- > >>> > >>> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:27:24 -0700 > >>> From: "Daron Wilson" <daron(a)wilson.org> > >>> To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read > >>> Message-ID: <00b501d658bd$26119cc0$7234d640$@org> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >>> > >>> Is there a bulletin board that discusses amateur radio satellites > >>> operations still? Asking for a friend. This is getting old. > >>> > >>> > >>> Daron N7HQR > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >>> Opinions expressed > >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of > >>> AMSAT-NA. > >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > >>> program! > >>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >>> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:13:46 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Why we are having this big unpleasant argument on > your satellite mailing list > Message-ID: > < > CAK2MWOsL+EO6q3QnLjL395uSeLZR8QnkUuD9q3nJ+O4e7Kvytw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Most of you are members of AMSAT. IMO the organization has some serious > problems, and as members it is your duty to steer the organization with > your votes. That means that you should remain aware of what is going on and > you should make an informed vote. The satellite discussions go on, mostly > uninterrupted, all year. A short break for politics is not unreasonable, > and acrimonious discussion is to be expected when we take that break. > > Organisations are run by people who would not be doing the work if they did > not have strong emotions about it. And they all have their own failings. > Unfortunately, volunteer non-profit directors (and many public ones in big > corporations) never learn a critical skill of democracy: *how to deal > properly with opposition. *That is the root of what we are arguing about > now. Opposition are not the enemy! Yet, they are clearly being treated as > such. They are simply people who would reform the organization or take it > in a different direction from the incumbents. > > In this case, Michelle and Patrick, before they were elected, were the > loyal opposition - dedicated to a better organization, and deeply troubled > by the decisions and conduct of the incumbent board. The incumbent's > response was not to work with the opposition, but to hunker down and use > lawyers. To the incumbent's great distress, the very same people got sent > to the board by the membership! Leading to more lawyers. IMO the incumbents > should have read this as a signal from the membership, rather than doubling > down their resistance. > > The sad reality is that the newly-elected directors have never been allowed > to function as directors. You should be concerned, since they are the > people whom you elected to represent you. The main means used to disable > your elected representatives has been refusal by the incumbents to hold > board meetings. This refusal is almost total, with exactly *one* meeting > being held after the organization's annual convention. > > The second means used to disenfranchise the newly-elected directors was > that the incumbents withheld information which a director would generally > be expected to have access to. As it happened, this information was at > least in part discussion of those very same people, and contracting of > legal counsel in a process against them. > > Every board has the right to legal counsel. But it's expensive, and must be > used wisely. This was not a wise use. A wise use would have been to engage > the opposition rather than to hunker down. > > One very large cause of all of this is that the same people have been > running AMSAT for a very long time, and it becomes an echo chamber after a > while - the us-vs-them mentality of the board vs. the opposition - but > really the board vs. everyone else - becomes self-reinforcing. > > This is obviously wrong for the organization. The solution is simple, and > every organization needs it: *regular turn-over of the people in the > organization's leadership. *Not the stratification that we currently have. > > You can fix this by electing more new blood to the board. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > -- > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually > :-) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:06:31 -0400 > From: Efrem Acosta <W2CZ(a)optonline.net> > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] A question > Message-ID: <F1920021-98F0-4650-B305-74A7DB72521E(a)optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Is it true all posts now on this board are being held for approval by a > moderator? > > > > 73 De W2CZ > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:45:19 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: David Swanson <dave(a)druidnetworks.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAK2MWOv-v8yj5NwO7XKz= > nwxb+p1u-7FUF+fTJUKuNvQ7BPP7g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > David, > > My tweet was NOT deleted, and is still on twitter at > https://twitter.com/BrucePerens/status/1154844208458416128 > As stated repeatedly, both by myself and Michelle, I did not handle the > mailing list, she did. Which was 100% her right as a candidate. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > > It's always fun to remind folks tripping over their own feat lying that > the > > internet is forever. From a Bruce Perens Tweet on July 13, 2020: > > > > "Please see my letter on the web, or the paper copy I've mailed to > everyone > > one of you". > > > > Of course the original tweet was deleted, but the wayback machine never > > forgets. Don't Believe me? http://druidnetworks.com/2020-07-13.png > > > > If you still think the membership list wasn't compromised, I just heard > > Director Thompson will be auctioning off their ocean front property in > > Arizona to all the members this year to raise funds for their microwave, > > digital only, strictly open source crowd funded, vegan, social justice > > aware cubesat launch to Proxima Centauri. Of course this launch will only > > come after 10 years of ground station development, but fueled with enough > > hopes, dreams and promises it will become a reality! > > > > For the rest of us who actually want to keep amateur radio in (real) > space > > and are disgusted at the violations of privacy that occured by 3rd > parties > > working to get Director Thompson and Director Stoddard elected, well, you > > should know what to do. > > > > -Dave, KG5CCI > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM Michelle Thompson < > > mountain.michelle(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > No database went anywhere except to candidates. This is allowed in the > > > bylaws. > > > > > > Then, an automated bulk mail printing server was used. I recommended > the > > > company to Brennan Price for this year's mailing. Good service, > > > inexpensive. > > > > > > Return addresses don't magically transfer information. > > > > > > -Michelle W5NYV > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 04:32 David Swanson <dave(a)druidnetworks.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Spin Spin Spin. The simple truth here is Director Thompson took the > > AMSAT > > >> member database, and handed it over to a 3rd party competing entity > for > > the > > >> purpose of solicitation. I know I did not give ORI my home address, > yet > > ORI > > >> sent me a letter. This was a violation of my privacy, and for AMSAT > > >> members living in the EU, this was a violation of the law. Any attempt > > to > > >> explain this away is just more lies and deceit from Director Thompson > > about > > >> the shady practices they have engaged in over the past few years. As I > > keep > > >> saying, this isn't a one time thing, this is a pattern of > > >> reprehensible behavior that is unbecoming of an elected position and > > this > > >> community. Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should resign. > > >> > > >> -Dave, KG5CCI > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:33 AM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < > > >> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Yes, I can. > > >>> > > >>> That part of Clayton's letter is wrong and has been repeatedly > > clarified > > >>> before. Including at the 2019 annual board meeting, where Tom Clark > > asked > > >>> me about it, as part of the record. > > >>> > > >>> Clayton Coleman was secretary in 2019. > > >>> > > >>> He ran the election. > > >>> > > >>> He decided that candidate statements were limited in length to 350 > > words, > > >>> would be subject to editorial control by AMSAT, and could not include > > >>> links. These new rules were given to us right before the 4th of July > > >>> holiday with a deadline of the 7th. > > >>> > > >>> This is different than any election before, where statements went > > >>> directly > > >>> to the printer from the candidate, were not limited in length, and no > > one > > >>> from AMSAT leadership (who might be running for reelection > themselves) > > >>> had > > >>> any control over the content of their challengers' statements. > > >>> > > >>> We got these rules right before ballots went out. We (four > challengers) > > >>> already had normal-sized statements on the web and they had been up > six > > >>> weeks at that point. Those were the ones we wanted to use, and link > to. > > >>> > > >>> We knew that as candidates, we had the right to request the mailing > > list, > > >>> and send our own statements, independent of the ballot. > > >>> > > >>> I requested the address list and got the DBASE4 export. > > >>> > > >>> Bruce Perens had already written a letter of support and distributed > it > > >>> widely on the web. It introduced us and included our four full bios > and > > >>> statements. > > >>> > > >>> I asked Bruce if we could use his letter in the mailing. He said yes. > > >>> Since > > >>> he was President of Open Research Institute at the time, he wanted > the > > >>> return address to not be his private home address, but a business > > >>> address. > > >>> That was ORI's address. He was the author of the endorsement, so I > used > > >>> his > > >>> preferred return address. > > >>> > > >>> I converted the DBASE4 to a more useful format, fixed the 50 or so > > >>> undeliverable addresses, and found an inexpensive printer. Then I > sent > > >>> the > > >>> letter from Bruce to the printer, with the bios and statements. > > >>> > > >>> That turned out to be a good thing. Bios and statements were not > > included > > >>> with the ballots mailed out, at all. > > >>> > > >>> If we had not sent the letter, then name recognition would be the > > primary > > >>> factor. We were running against well-known people. > > >>> > > >>> We complained about this. It was unusual departure from the past and > > >>> seemed > > >>> set up to let leadership benefit from being incumbents. > > >>> > > >>> The original proposal from Clayton was for an electronic only ballot. > > >>> Patrick said that the bylaws were a bit clunky here and it did need > to > > be > > >>> mailed out on paper. Paper was required. > > >>> > > >>> This is a big reason why I made a motion at our one board meeting, > in > > >>> March, for a bylaws committee. > > >>> > > >>> This bylaw isn't hard to fix. There's lots of examples out there of > > >>> organizations doing electronic voting with working published bylaws. > > >>> > > >>> Bruce made it very clear, when the incumbents stirred up the pot > about > > >>> the > > >>> return address, that it was an endorsement from him, this was > commonly > > >>> done > > >>> in political campaigns, and it would be grossly improper for me to > use > > >>> AMSATs return address because that would make it look like Bruce was > > >>> speaking for or was from AMSAT. That was not going to happen. *That* > > >>> would > > >>> be improper. > > >>> > > >>> No one candidate wanted their personal address used as a return > > address. > > >>> We > > >>> were mailing this as a slate and splitting the cost. We didn't have > > time > > >>> or > > >>> funds to make an organization or rent a box for one letter on short > > >>> notice. > > >>> The printer required a real return address. > > >>> > > >>> No one had the address list except the candidates. Namely me because > I > > >>> contracted the printer and handled the DBASE4 address conversion. > That > > >>> is a > > >>> neat story in and of itself,, for another time. > > >>> > > >>> Bruce only sent the text to me and chipped in some money for postage. > > >>> > > >>> The printing was automated in Van Nuys, CA. > > >>> > > >>> All of this is known to Clayton Coleman and his friends on the board > > that > > >>> signed the statement from this week. It has been explained by Bruce > > >>> publicly, and by me several times on social media. Tom Clark brought > it > > >>> up > > >>> at the 2019 annual board meeting because of the return address > > >>> pot-stirring. I explained it there too. Like I said, it's on the > > record. > > >>> > > >>> I think insinuating the addresses were mishandled is a deliberate > > >>> twisting > > >>> of honest efforts to scramble to get uncensored candidate statements > > out > > >>> to > > >>> voters on short notice. We just didn't have a lot of time, and Bruce > > was > > >>> very generous in writing a cover letter. > > >>> > > >>> Again, candidates are allowed the use of the mailing lists for > election > > >>> purposes. > > >>> > > >>> So, no, there was no breach. Clayton knows all this. > > >>> > > >>> Saying it the way he did is a cheap shot at me, Patrick, Bruce > Perens, > > >>> and > > >>> ORI. > > >>> > > >>> -Michelle W5NYV > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:11 Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > Hello All, > > >>> > > > >>> > In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we > > all > > >>> > received as members. > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > > >>> > > > >>> > I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed > > >>> before. > > >>> > > > >>> > "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses > to > > >>> > Open Research Institute." > > >>> > > > >>> > Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a > > >>> serious > > >>> > breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information > lost? > > >>> > was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they > > say > > >>> > "out in the wind"? > > >>> > > > >>> > Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack > how > > >>> > ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it > something > > >>> > that was procured online? > > >>> > > > >>> > AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what > > it > > >>> > found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening > in > > >>> > the future. > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > I look forward to an answer > > >>> > > > >>> > 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum > > available > > >>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > > >>> Opinions > > >>> > expressed > > >>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > views > > >>> of > > >>> > AMSAT-NA. > > >>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > > >>> program! > > >>> > Subscription settings: > > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum > available > > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > > >>> Opinions expressed > > >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > > of > > >>> AMSAT-NA. > > >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > > >>> program! > > >>> Subscription settings: > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > >>> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > -- > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually > :-) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 03:04:44 +0700 > From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls(a)gmail.com> > To: Steve Kristoff <skristof(a)etczone.com> > Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAPOM0d= > Pt9kPtHNmgxtfZdM4q2JxxqkbMFNM1pAxdj1cZFLFog(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > It's not that simple Brian. If you follow that line of thinking then > people by the thousands would be renouncing their American citizenship > because of the current shitshow in Washington, but I haven't heard of that > happening. > > The best thing to do is stay in the game, sort through the hysteria and > misinformation and exercise your right to vote when the time comes. Then > you can move Amsat back to becoming an organization you'll want to remain a > part of. > > Ok, back to sleep for me! > > 73, > > Ken Alexander, VE3HLS > So Phisai, Thailand > Blog: bueng-ken.com > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 2:52 AM Steve Kristoff via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > > > > I worked a satellite just this morning. They are still up there. Just > have > > to step away from the computer and turn on the radio. > > > > Steve Ai9IN > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian Karcher via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb(a)amsat.org) > > Date: 07/13/20 12:10 > > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org, amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org > > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > > > > I thought being a member of AMSAT was about keeping amateur radio in > > space, learning about satellites and for some of us working amateur radio > > satellites in space. Since the last election AMSAT seems to be about > > nothing but politics and misinformation. In my opinion AMSAT was a lot > > more fun to be apart of before the last election. All the politics and > > misinformation drives people away from AMSAT and is not good for the > > organization. I have been told in the past by one of the new board > members > > that all of this is necessary for change to happen. I don't see that > AMSAT > > has to go through some fundamental change or movement. I am tired of the > > new AMSAT since the last election. I am seriously considering not > renewing > > my membership and I know plenty of other that are considering the same. > > When will all of this end so we can start enjoying AMSAT again and > working > > satellites? > > > > Brian D. Karcher > > KG5GJT > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:23:41 -0500 > From: David Swanson <dave(a)druidnetworks.com> > To: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > < > CANq+eyV985yF4XZAmiZ0oifyutc+nGosE8RgpC0rZjtuC8h6SA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > By your own words, it was YOUR letter, in a letter YOU sent. No matter how > many times you try and repeat the same line now - you've already proven > yourself to be a fraud. > > And by the way, people often violate the rules for stupid and unnecassary > reasons. It's very rarely the big lie you get caught in, it's all the > smaller ones you use to cover the big one up. > > -Dave, KG5CCI > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:29:50 -0700 > From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer(a)gmail.com> > To: Daniel Velez <djvnet(a)gmail.com> > Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] when is the election being discussed? > Message-ID: > < > CAGHXx8jLoX5ADt7jDHfkh-OOBnH3zWFukA8oAHT-0R3Fq9O3Fw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > If you joined our renewed before July 1st, you will be getting a ballot > after July 15. > > Saludos > Fernando, KF7R > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 1:26 PM Daniel Velez via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > wrote: > > > I joined in June but I haven't seen any ballot info. > > 73 de Dan > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:33:45 -0400 > From: Arthur Feller <afeller(a)ieee.org> > To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle(a)gmail.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-NA, another perspective > Message-ID: <98C0DFD9-D12C-454B-BC39-30133A8CA3FD(a)ieee.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > AMSAT Members: > > We?re going around in circles, getting nowhere fast. No resolution in > sight; only repetition, irritation, and turning away new and renewing > members. Not constructive. > > Much as these subjects need to be and should be discussed, may I suggest > taking this thread offline? > > I?m willing to facilitate an offline discussion. > > 73, art?.. > W4ART Arlington VA > LM-113 > > To thrive in life, you need three bones: a wish bone, a back bone, and a > funny bone. > - Reba McEntire > > http://afeller.us <http://afeller.us/> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:35:14 +0000 (UTC) > From: GEO Badger <w3ab(a)yahoo.com> > To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-NA, another perspective > Message-ID: <865720374.1065652.1594672514170(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I believe that all 501(c)(3) orgs must hold at least one BOD meeting per > year or it is in violation of the incorporation rules and the org will risk > losing their tax exempt status. > 3 Annual Requirements Every Nonprofit Should Know > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > 3 Annual Requirements Every Nonprofit Should Know > > Congratulations, you?ve received 501(c)(3) status, so now what!? PAPERWORK > AND MEETINGS! And also working for th... > | > > | > > | > > > > ---?? > Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side?? > 73 de W3AB/GEO ???? > > http://www.w3ab.org > > You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out". > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:13:20 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: David Swanson <dave(a)druidnetworks.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAK2MWOvcy8V-UUYKEi9QYKuB5p= > Bd-rVVg1KH5DReZ91rwCHcA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > OK, Dave, you were not born yesterday :-) As I have said, I never touched > the mailing list, and never had to. I contributed $500 for postage, the > rest was provided by the candidates. But if I *had* touched the mailing > list, what nefarious things would I have done with it? You are mostly all > listed on QRZ, etc. Am I the guy sending you those mails about how Ed > McMahon will hand you the million-dollar check from Publishers Clearing > House? > > What I am getting at here is that people don't violate rules for really > stupid and unnecessary reasons. There was a simple way to send the letter > within the rules, and we did it. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 12:55 PM David Swanson <dave(a)druidnetworks.com> > wrote: > > > My apologies on the Twitter claim - when I tried loading it from source > > nothing was displaying pre January 28th, 2020 - the day of your 'I am > > signing off of social networking' declaration. (How'd that go btw?) I > only > > assumed you had deleted your tweets. > > > > As to your never ending story changing about the mailing list, I was born > > at night, but it wasn't last night. Go try your story on another mark. > > > > -Dave, KG5CCI > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> wrote: > > > >> David, > >> > >> My tweet was NOT deleted, and is still on twitter at > >> https://twitter.com/BrucePerens/status/1154844208458416128 > >> As stated repeatedly, both by myself and Michelle, I did not handle the > >> mailing list, she did. Which was 100% her right as a candidate. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Bruce > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB < > >> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > >> > >>> It's always fun to remind folks tripping over their own feat lying that > >>> the > >>> internet is forever. From a Bruce Perens Tweet on July 13, 2020: > >>> > >>> "Please see my letter on the web, or the paper copy I've mailed to > >>> everyone > >>> one of you". > >>> > >>> Of course the original tweet was deleted, but the wayback machine never > >>> forgets. Don't Believe me? http://druidnetworks.com/2020-07-13.png > >>> > >>> If you still think the membership list wasn't compromised, I just heard > >>> Director Thompson will be auctioning off their ocean front property in > >>> Arizona to all the members this year to raise funds for their > microwave, > >>> digital only, strictly open source crowd funded, vegan, social justice > >>> aware cubesat launch to Proxima Centauri. Of course this launch will > only > >>> come after 10 years of ground station development, but fueled with > enough > >>> hopes, dreams and promises it will become a reality! > >>> > >>> For the rest of us who actually want to keep amateur radio in (real) > >>> space > >>> and are disgusted at the violations of privacy that occured by 3rd > >>> parties > >>> working to get Director Thompson and Director Stoddard elected, well, > you > >>> should know what to do. > >>> > >>> -Dave, KG5CCI > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM Michelle Thompson < > >>> mountain.michelle(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > No database went anywhere except to candidates. This is allowed in > the > >>> > bylaws. > >>> > > >>> > Then, an automated bulk mail printing server was used. I recommended > >>> the > >>> > company to Brennan Price for this year's mailing. Good service, > >>> > inexpensive. > >>> > > >>> > Return addresses don't magically transfer information. > >>> > > >>> > -Michelle W5NYV > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 04:32 David Swanson <dave(a)druidnetworks.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Spin Spin Spin. The simple truth here is Director Thompson took the > >>> AMSAT > >>> >> member database, and handed it over to a 3rd party competing entity > >>> for the > >>> >> purpose of solicitation. I know I did not give ORI my home address, > >>> yet ORI > >>> >> sent me a letter. This was a violation of my privacy, and for AMSAT > >>> >> members living in the EU, this was a violation of the law. Any > >>> attempt to > >>> >> explain this away is just more lies and deceit from Director > Thompson > >>> about > >>> >> the shady practices they have engaged in over the past few years. As > >>> I keep > >>> >> saying, this isn't a one time thing, this is a pattern of > >>> >> reprehensible behavior that is unbecoming of an elected position and > >>> this > >>> >> community. Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should resign. > >>> >> > >>> >> -Dave, KG5CCI > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:33 AM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < > >>> >> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> Yes, I can. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> That part of Clayton's letter is wrong and has been repeatedly > >>> clarified > >>> >>> before. Including at the 2019 annual board meeting, where Tom Clark > >>> asked > >>> >>> me about it, as part of the record. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Clayton Coleman was secretary in 2019. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> He ran the election. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> He decided that candidate statements were limited in length to 350 > >>> words, > >>> >>> would be subject to editorial control by AMSAT, and could not > include > >>> >>> links. These new rules were given to us right before the 4th of > July > >>> >>> holiday with a deadline of the 7th. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> This is different than any election before, where statements went > >>> >>> directly > >>> >>> to the printer from the candidate, were not limited in length, and > >>> no one > >>> >>> from AMSAT leadership (who might be running for reelection > >>> themselves) > >>> >>> had > >>> >>> any control over the content of their challengers' statements. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> We got these rules right before ballots went out. We (four > >>> challengers) > >>> >>> already had normal-sized statements on the web and they had been up > >>> six > >>> >>> weeks at that point. Those were the ones we wanted to use, and link > >>> to. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> We knew that as candidates, we had the right to request the mailing > >>> list, > >>> >>> and send our own statements, independent of the ballot. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I requested the address list and got the DBASE4 export. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Bruce Perens had already written a letter of support and > distributed > >>> it > >>> >>> widely on the web. It introduced us and included our four full bios > >>> and > >>> >>> statements. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I asked Bruce if we could use his letter in the mailing. He said > yes. > >>> >>> Since > >>> >>> he was President of Open Research Institute at the time, he wanted > >>> the > >>> >>> return address to not be his private home address, but a business > >>> >>> address. > >>> >>> That was ORI's address. He was the author of the endorsement, so I > >>> used > >>> >>> his > >>> >>> preferred return address. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I converted the DBASE4 to a more useful format, fixed the 50 or so > >>> >>> undeliverable addresses, and found an inexpensive printer. Then I > >>> sent > >>> >>> the > >>> >>> letter from Bruce to the printer, with the bios and statements. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> That turned out to be a good thing. Bios and statements were not > >>> included > >>> >>> with the ballots mailed out, at all. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> If we had not sent the letter, then name recognition would be the > >>> primary > >>> >>> factor. We were running against well-known people. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> We complained about this. It was unusual departure from the past > and > >>> >>> seemed > >>> >>> set up to let leadership benefit from being incumbents. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The original proposal from Clayton was for an electronic only > ballot. > >>> >>> Patrick said that the bylaws were a bit clunky here and it did need > >>> to be > >>> >>> mailed out on paper. Paper was required. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> This is a big reason why I made a motion at our one board meeting, > >>> in > >>> >>> March, for a bylaws committee. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> This bylaw isn't hard to fix. There's lots of examples out there of > >>> >>> organizations doing electronic voting with working published > bylaws. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Bruce made it very clear, when the incumbents stirred up the pot > >>> about > >>> >>> the > >>> >>> return address, that it was an endorsement from him, this was > >>> commonly > >>> >>> done > >>> >>> in political campaigns, and it would be grossly improper for me to > >>> use > >>> >>> AMSATs return address because that would make it look like Bruce > was > >>> >>> speaking for or was from AMSAT. That was not going to happen. > *That* > >>> >>> would > >>> >>> be improper. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> No one candidate wanted their personal address used as a return > >>> address. > >>> >>> We > >>> >>> were mailing this as a slate and splitting the cost. We didn't have > >>> time > >>> >>> or > >>> >>> funds to make an organization or rent a box for one letter on short > >>> >>> notice. > >>> >>> The printer required a real return address. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> No one had the address list except the candidates. Namely me > because > >>> I > >>> >>> contracted the printer and handled the DBASE4 address conversion. > >>> That > >>> >>> is a > >>> >>> neat story in and of itself,, for another time. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Bruce only sent the text to me and chipped in some money for > postage. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The printing was automated in Van Nuys, CA. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> All of this is known to Clayton Coleman and his friends on the > board > >>> that > >>> >>> signed the statement from this week. It has been explained by Bruce > >>> >>> publicly, and by me several times on social media. Tom Clark > brought > >>> it > >>> >>> up > >>> >>> at the 2019 annual board meeting because of the return address > >>> >>> pot-stirring. I explained it there too. Like I said, it's on the > >>> record. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I think insinuating the addresses were mishandled is a deliberate > >>> >>> twisting > >>> >>> of honest efforts to scramble to get uncensored candidate > statements > >>> out > >>> >>> to > >>> >>> voters on short notice. We just didn't have a lot of time, and > Bruce > >>> was > >>> >>> very generous in writing a cover letter. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Again, candidates are allowed the use of the mailing lists for > >>> election > >>> >>> purposes. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> So, no, there was no breach. Clayton knows all this. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Saying it the way he did is a cheap shot at me, Patrick, Bruce > >>> Perens, > >>> >>> and > >>> >>> ORI. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> -Michelle W5NYV > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:11 Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > > > >>> >>> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Hello All, > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter > >>> we all > >>> >>> > received as members. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> > https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed > >>> >>> before. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses > >>> to > >>> >>> > Open Research Institute." > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a > >>> >>> serious > >>> >>> > breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information > >>> lost? > >>> >>> > was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as > they > >>> say > >>> >>> > "out in the wind"? > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack > >>> how > >>> >>> > ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it > >>> something > >>> >>> > that was procured online? > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back > >>> what it > >>> >>> > found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from > happening > >>> in > >>> >>> > the future. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > I look forward to an answer > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum > >>> available > >>> >>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >>> >>> Opinions > >>> >>> > expressed > >>> >>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > >>> views > >>> >>> of > >>> >>> > AMSAT-NA. > >>> >>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > >>> >>> program! > >>> >>> > Subscription settings: > >>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum > >>> available > >>> >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >>> >>> Opinions expressed > >>> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > >>> views of > >>> >>> AMSAT-NA. > >>> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > >>> >>> program! > >>> >>> Subscription settings: > >>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >>> Opinions expressed > >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of > >>> AMSAT-NA. > >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > >>> program! > >>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is > >> eventually :-) > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via amsat-bb(a)amsat.org. > AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons > worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ------------------------------ > > End of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 15, Issue 247 > ***************************************** >

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Trim your messages
by Daniel Schultz 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

Would you all please trim the messages that you are replying too? There is no need to quote more lines of text back to the -bb then you are writing yourself. Better yet, don't quote anything at all, we can probably follow the message thread by this point in the discussion. That would go a long way toward raising the signal to noise ratio of the present discussion. Dan N8FGV

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Re: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim
by Bruce Perens 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

I don't actually understand why we are discussing whether they were authorized. That is, at most, of tertiary importance. Of primary importance would be: was this a good decision, and a good use of the organization's funds, wherever they came from? I also don't consider it relevant whether the funds were membership dues, donations, or a grant. Although most grants are earmarked for a purpose, so that is less likely. Let's just talk about "was this smart, was it responsible, is it the kind of decision I'd like to see from the board in the future?" Thanks Bruce On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 6:24 PM Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> wrote: > I don't actually understand why we are discussing whether they were > authorized. That is, at most, of tertiary importance. Of primary importance > would be: was this a good decision, and a good use of the organization's > funds, wherever they came from? > > I also don't consider it relevant whether the funds were membership dues, > donations, or a grant. Although most grants are earmarked for a purpose, so > that is less likely. > > Let's just talk about "was this smart, was it responsible, is it the kind > of decision I'd like to see from the board in the future?" > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 6:17 PM Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > >> Let me clarify: >> >> I said "the board said the expenses were authorized." >> >> I didn't say "the board directly authorized the expenses" >> >> The implication is that the officers authorized the expenses and the board >> was OK with that. And since it's up to the board to decide what the >> officers can or can't authorize, the fact that they said that the expenses >> were authorized should be sufficient. >> >> Rich >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:46 PM Steve Kristoff via AMSAT-BB < >> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: >> >> > >> > But even in your own evaluation there are contradictions. >> > >> > Quote from your email: "If an expense went to the board for approval, it >> > would show up in the >> > minutes of that board meeting." >> > >> > Further down your email: "- In this case, the members of the AMSAT board >> > at the time said that the >> > expenses were authorized." >> > >> > >> > Then, by your own evaluation of the by-laws, if the members of the board >> > authorized the expenditures (second quote), shouldn't that authorization >> > show up in the minutes of the board meeting? (first quote) >> > >> > Steve AI9IN >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Rich Gopstein via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb(a)amsat.org) >> > Date: 07/13/20 15:25 >> > To: Amsat - BBs (AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org) >> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Brief summary of the "unauthorized expenses" claim >> > >> > First: I'm not a lawyer. These are my observations only. >> > >> > This is what I learned over the past few days while researching the >> claim >> > that the AMSAT money spent on legal services related to the new >> directors >> > was "unauthorized". >> > >> > - I read the AMSAT bylaws. They are very readable, BTW - and not >> long. >> > - The bylaws say that expenses can be authorized either by the board >> > itself or by the officers of AMSAT if the board delegates that >> authority. >> > - If an expense went to the board for approval, it would show up in >> the >> > minutes of that board meeting. >> > - If an expense were authorized by an officer, then it wouldn't show >> up >> > in the minutes of a board meeting. >> > - The claim that the expenses were unauthorized was based on the >> > observation that there was no record in the board meeting minutes of >> the >> > authorization. However, as mentioned above, not everything has to go >> to >> > the board for approval. And that decision is up to the board itself. >> > - In this case, the members of the AMSAT board at the time said that >> the >> > expenses were authorized. >> > - Since the board has the authority to authorize expenditures >> (directly >> > or indirectly) and they say the expenses were authorized, that >> indicates >> > to >> > me that the expenses were authorized. >> > >> > Note: Michelle and Patrick were not members of the board when this >> > happened. They were analyzing this after the fact. >> > >> > Rich >> > KD2CQ >> > AMSAT Life Member >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions >> > expressed >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> > AMSAT-NA. >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >

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Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list
by Bruce Perens 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

The candidates are allowed the use of the mailing list for their campaign. If you read the bylaws, they make it very clear. One of the candidates did all of the handling of the mailing list. Incidentally, the board was not aware that they had to give the mailing list to the candidates. This was something the candidates had to tell them, after I read the bylaws. Had the board run things the way they desired, only a board controlled 200 word statement would have reached you from the candidates, except for the incumbents, who have had free use of AMSAT's official publications to carry their opinions. In a more perfect world, the board would have known their own bylaws, or at least the secretary who was running the election would have read them. But in a more perfect world, two people were trying to reform the organization with not face quite this uphill a battle. Thanks Bruce On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:00 PM Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well how did the bulk mailing company get the AMSAT member mailing list if > AMSAT did not provide it? > > Kevin > > > On 7/12/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > > The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address, under "Open > Research Institute" was used as the return address. This was a mistake and > I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the author of the mailer, in which I > introduced the candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and > did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed someone responsible > who had a right to see that address, and promptly forgot it. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all >> received as members. >> >> >> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… >> >> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. >> >> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to >> Open Research Institute." >> >> Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious >> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? >> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say >> "out in the wind"? >> >> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how >> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something >> that was procured online? >> >> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it >> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in >> the future. >> >> >> I look forward to an answer >> >> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > >

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Publications and mailing lists
by Brennan Price 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

I generally don't intend to engage in the ongoing discussion s beyond an announcement on process once the ballots are mailed (which they will be, tomorrow or Wednesday, on or before the date specified in the bylaws), but I do want to address what the Bylaws say about the organization's publications and mailing lists, as I think (perhaps naïvely) that would be helpful. Article III Section 3 provides, in relevant part: <<Duly nominated and eligible candidates shall be afforded equal opportunity to circulate statements of their qualifications and positions to the Members through the corporation’s publications and shall have use of the corporation’s mailing lists for election-related purposes at no cost to the corporation.>> The production and publication schedule of the AMSAT Journal does not render it a suitable vehicle for candidate statements given the bylaws-mandated nomination and election timing. The absence of campaign statements from the Journal is entirely consistent with the Bylaws: no opportunity for any candidate is inherently equal opportunity for all candidates. Traditionally, the organization has used the ballot mailing itself the relevant publication, and this is the approach that will be taken this year. The "equal opportunity" requirement and paper format (not to mention common practice across multiple organization's) necessitates a target word count, balanced to the extent possible against letting candidates have their say. All candidates met or came close to meeting the target I suggested (350 words), with the most long-winded exceeding by 14 words according to the Word 2016 word counter. Upon review, I offered the remaining candidates the chance to expand up to 364 words. None of them took the offer. All six statements will accompany the ballot, and none of them required editorial work beyond the correction of a repeated word and an excess space. I thank the candidates for making that part of the job easy. I have construed the mailing list as the postal mailing list, which has been offered to each candidate (and thus far, five of the six have accepted the list). Data protection regulations require the corporation to take reasonable efforts to safeguard personally identifiable information, and candidates accepting the list have agreed to support those efforts by limiting use of the list for the "election-related purposes" specified in the bylaws. Two results follow: 1) There are no election-related purposes once the election ends. Accordingly, candidates have agreed to discard the list after the election. 2) It is common to engage agents for mailing and postage purposes. I will not hyper-officiate any candidate's choice to do so, but candidates have agreed that any agent will have access to the list only for the time necessary to execute the mailing and will be required by the candidate to discard it afterwards. This is a reasonable effort to safeguard in light of the bylaws requirement for candidate access to mailing lists, which establishes an expectation (however infrequently it came to fruition in past) that members may receive election-related postal mail. I think that's enough for now. 73,Brennan Price, N4QXSecretary, AMSAT Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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AMSAT Member Mailing list
by Kevin 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

Hello All, In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all received as members. https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to Open Research Institute." Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say "out in the wind"? Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something that was procured online? AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in the future. I look forward to an answer 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623

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huskysat-1
by Rosa & Robert Fitzpatrick 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

what is the latest status on huskysat-1.thank you bob/kb5sqgGranbury tx

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children
by 73 Bob W7LRD 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

When my children were very young they would very occasionally get into fights and conflicts. I would put them both into a small room in the house and tell them, "you're not coming out until you can get along. > 73 Bob W7LRD

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13 Jul '20

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Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list
by Brian Karcher 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I thought being a member of AMSAT was about keeping amateur radio in space, learning about satellites and for some of us working amateur radio satellites in space. Since the last election AMSAT seems to be about nothing but politics and misinformation. In my opinion AMSAT was a lot more fun to be apart of before the last election. All the politics and misinformation drives people away from AMSAT and is not good for the organization. I have been told in the past by one of the new board members that all of this is necessary for change to happen. I don't see that AMSAT has to go through some fundamental change or movement. I am tired of the new AMSAT since the last election. I am seriously considering not renewing my membership and I know plenty of other that are considering the same. When will all of this end so we can start enjoying AMSAT again and working satellites? Brian D. Karcher KG5GJT > On July 13, 2020 at 8:55 AM amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org wrote: > > > Send AMSAT-BB mailing list submissions to > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > amsat-bb-owner(a)amsat.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AMSAT-BB digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Back after a 2 yr absence (Armando Mercado) > 2. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Michelle Thompson) > 3. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (David Swanson) > 4. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Hans BX2ABT) > 5. AMSAT Member Mailing list (Bruce Perens) > 6. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Bruce Perens) > 7. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Bruce Perens) > 8. Re: AMSAT Member Mailing list (Bruce Perens) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:57:45 -0400 > From: Armando Mercado <am25544(a)gmail.com> > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Back after a 2 yr absence > Message-ID: > <CAOgooFkH6TK5L=zMEvg7qis17gh-QOz1T2UVT3361i1=SNPN_Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I recently renewed my membership. Looks like I have a lot of catching up > to do. > Armando, N8IGJ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 03:29:49 -0700 > From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle(a)gmail.com> > To: Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CACvjz2U2fCYU4r8fLYE49HG80VHCRh9_LyW-5QQ5JP-cdNkUsA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yes, I can. > > That part of Clayton's letter is wrong and has been repeatedly clarified > before. Including at the 2019 annual board meeting, where Tom Clark asked > me about it, as part of the record. > > Clayton Coleman was secretary in 2019. > > He ran the election. > > He decided that candidate statements were limited in length to 350 words, > would be subject to editorial control by AMSAT, and could not include > links. These new rules were given to us right before the 4th of July > holiday with a deadline of the 7th. > > This is different than any election before, where statements went directly > to the printer from the candidate, were not limited in length, and no one > from AMSAT leadership (who might be running for reelection themselves) had > any control over the content of their challengers' statements. > > We got these rules right before ballots went out. We (four challengers) > already had normal-sized statements on the web and they had been up six > weeks at that point. Those were the ones we wanted to use, and link to. > > We knew that as candidates, we had the right to request the mailing list, > and send our own statements, independent of the ballot. > > I requested the address list and got the DBASE4 export. > > Bruce Perens had already written a letter of support and distributed it > widely on the web. It introduced us and included our four full bios and > statements. > > I asked Bruce if we could use his letter in the mailing. He said yes. Since > he was President of Open Research Institute at the time, he wanted the > return address to not be his private home address, but a business address. > That was ORI's address. He was the author of the endorsement, so I used his > preferred return address. > > I converted the DBASE4 to a more useful format, fixed the 50 or so > undeliverable addresses, and found an inexpensive printer. Then I sent the > letter from Bruce to the printer, with the bios and statements. > > That turned out to be a good thing. Bios and statements were not included > with the ballots mailed out, at all. > > If we had not sent the letter, then name recognition would be the primary > factor. We were running against well-known people. > > We complained about this. It was unusual departure from the past and seemed > set up to let leadership benefit from being incumbents. > > The original proposal from Clayton was for an electronic only ballot. > Patrick said that the bylaws were a bit clunky here and it did need to be > mailed out on paper. Paper was required. > > This is a big reason why I made a motion at our one board meeting, in > March, for a bylaws committee. > > This bylaw isn't hard to fix. There's lots of examples out there of > organizations doing electronic voting with working published bylaws. > > Bruce made it very clear, when the incumbents stirred up the pot about the > return address, that it was an endorsement from him, this was commonly done > in political campaigns, and it would be grossly improper for me to use > AMSATs return address because that would make it look like Bruce was > speaking for or was from AMSAT. That was not going to happen. *That* would > be improper. > > No one candidate wanted their personal address used as a return address. We > were mailing this as a slate and splitting the cost. We didn't have time or > funds to make an organization or rent a box for one letter on short notice. > The printer required a real return address. > > No one had the address list except the candidates. Namely me because I > contracted the printer and handled the DBASE4 address conversion. That is a > neat story in and of itself,, for another time. > > Bruce only sent the text to me and chipped in some money for postage. > > The printing was automated in Van Nuys, CA. > > All of this is known to Clayton Coleman and his friends on the board that > signed the statement from this week. It has been explained by Bruce > publicly, and by me several times on social media. Tom Clark brought it up > at the 2019 annual board meeting because of the return address > pot-stirring. I explained it there too. Like I said, it's on the record. > > I think insinuating the addresses were mishandled is a deliberate twisting > of honest efforts to scramble to get uncensored candidate statements out to > voters on short notice. We just didn't have a lot of time, and Bruce was > very generous in writing a cover letter. > > Again, candidates are allowed the use of the mailing lists for election > purposes. > > So, no, there was no breach. Clayton knows all this. > > Saying it the way he did is a cheap shot at me, Patrick, Bruce Perens, and > ORI. > > -Michelle W5NYV > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:11 Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > > received as members. > > > > > > https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > > > > I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. > > > > "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > > Open Research Institute." > > > > Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious > > breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > > was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > > "out in the wind"? > > > > Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > > ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > > that was procured online? > > > > AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > > found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > > the future. > > > > > > I look forward to an answer > > > > 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:32:38 -0500 > From: David Swanson <dave(a)druidnetworks.com> > To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle(a)gmail.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CANq+eyWHQ8o369h6=fqi1PJLWuMGP-1dTVj5Oej2CstAPY8S-w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Spin Spin Spin. The simple truth here is Director Thompson took the AMSAT > member database, and handed it over to a 3rd party competing entity for the > purpose of solicitation. I know I did not give ORI my home address, yet ORI > sent me a letter. This was a violation of my privacy, and for AMSAT > members living in the EU, this was a violation of the law. Any attempt to > explain this away is just more lies and deceit from Director Thompson about > the shady practices they have engaged in over the past few years. As I keep > saying, this isn't a one time thing, this is a pattern of > reprehensible behavior that is unbecoming of an elected position and this > community. Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should resign. > > -Dave, KG5CCI > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:33 AM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > > Yes, I can. > > > > That part of Clayton's letter is wrong and has been repeatedly clarified > > before. Including at the 2019 annual board meeting, where Tom Clark asked > > me about it, as part of the record. > > > > Clayton Coleman was secretary in 2019. > > > > He ran the election. > > > > He decided that candidate statements were limited in length to 350 words, > > would be subject to editorial control by AMSAT, and could not include > > links. These new rules were given to us right before the 4th of July > > holiday with a deadline of the 7th. > > > > This is different than any election before, where statements went directly > > to the printer from the candidate, were not limited in length, and no one > > from AMSAT leadership (who might be running for reelection themselves) had > > any control over the content of their challengers' statements. > > > > We got these rules right before ballots went out. We (four challengers) > > already had normal-sized statements on the web and they had been up six > > weeks at that point. Those were the ones we wanted to use, and link to. > > > > We knew that as candidates, we had the right to request the mailing list, > > and send our own statements, independent of the ballot. > > > > I requested the address list and got the DBASE4 export. > > > > Bruce Perens had already written a letter of support and distributed it > > widely on the web. It introduced us and included our four full bios and > > statements. > > > > I asked Bruce if we could use his letter in the mailing. He said yes. Since > > he was President of Open Research Institute at the time, he wanted the > > return address to not be his private home address, but a business address. > > That was ORI's address. He was the author of the endorsement, so I used his > > preferred return address. > > > > I converted the DBASE4 to a more useful format, fixed the 50 or so > > undeliverable addresses, and found an inexpensive printer. Then I sent the > > letter from Bruce to the printer, with the bios and statements. > > > > That turned out to be a good thing. Bios and statements were not included > > with the ballots mailed out, at all. > > > > If we had not sent the letter, then name recognition would be the primary > > factor. We were running against well-known people. > > > > We complained about this. It was unusual departure from the past and seemed > > set up to let leadership benefit from being incumbents. > > > > The original proposal from Clayton was for an electronic only ballot. > > Patrick said that the bylaws were a bit clunky here and it did need to be > > mailed out on paper. Paper was required. > > > > This is a big reason why I made a motion at our one board meeting, in > > March, for a bylaws committee. > > > > This bylaw isn't hard to fix. There's lots of examples out there of > > organizations doing electronic voting with working published bylaws. > > > > Bruce made it very clear, when the incumbents stirred up the pot about the > > return address, that it was an endorsement from him, this was commonly done > > in political campaigns, and it would be grossly improper for me to use > > AMSATs return address because that would make it look like Bruce was > > speaking for or was from AMSAT. That was not going to happen. *That* would > > be improper. > > > > No one candidate wanted their personal address used as a return address. We > > were mailing this as a slate and splitting the cost. We didn't have time or > > funds to make an organization or rent a box for one letter on short notice. > > The printer required a real return address. > > > > No one had the address list except the candidates. Namely me because I > > contracted the printer and handled the DBASE4 address conversion. That is a > > neat story in and of itself,, for another time. > > > > Bruce only sent the text to me and chipped in some money for postage. > > > > The printing was automated in Van Nuys, CA. > > > > All of this is known to Clayton Coleman and his friends on the board that > > signed the statement from this week. It has been explained by Bruce > > publicly, and by me several times on social media. Tom Clark brought it up > > at the 2019 annual board meeting because of the return address > > pot-stirring. I explained it there too. Like I said, it's on the record. > > > > I think insinuating the addresses were mishandled is a deliberate twisting > > of honest efforts to scramble to get uncensored candidate statements out to > > voters on short notice. We just didn't have a lot of time, and Bruce was > > very generous in writing a cover letter. > > > > Again, candidates are allowed the use of the mailing lists for election > > purposes. > > > > So, no, there was no breach. Clayton knows all this. > > > > Saying it the way he did is a cheap shot at me, Patrick, Bruce Perens, and > > ORI. > > > > -Michelle W5NYV > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:11 Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > > > received as members. > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > > > > > > I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. > > > > > > "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > > > Open Research Institute." > > > > > > Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious > > > breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > > > was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > > > "out in the wind"? > > > > > > Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > > > ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > > > that was procured online? > > > > > > AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > > > found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > > > the future. > > > > > > > > > I look forward to an answer > > > > > > 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > > Opinions > > > expressed > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > > AMSAT-NA. > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > > program! > > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:02:25 +0800 > From: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt(a)msa.hinet.net> > To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: <4c8da5db-cddd-e51e-0b26-9142c1787528(a)msa.hinet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 7/13/20 7:32 PM, David Swanson via AMSAT-BB wrote: > > Spin Spin Spin. > > I think this is the biggest problem in the world right now. > > People simply don't want to believe each other any more, or even > entertain the thought that the "opponent" might be (partially) right or > acting in good faith. Mistakes cannot be forgiven, because they are > always made with malicious intent. And one's own actions are always > right, because the other party is always wrong. > > The trenches are dug, the weapons are loaded: let's go to war. > > In the meantime the Russians give us Sputnik RS-44 (almost MEO), the > Chinese shoot cool experiments into space (albeit with the quality of > most stuff made in China) and the Germans achieve the first > geo-stationary amateur payload. What does AMSAT-NA achieve? The world is > already shaking its head when the USA are mentioned because of how it > handles COVID-19. Now the amateur radio world laughs at how AMSAT-NA is > handling itself. To quote your great leader: "So sad!" > > 73 de Hans (BX2ABT) > > > P.S. not an AMSAT-NA member, just here to share and learn about > satellites. Now ducking for incoming flak. > > > > > > The simple truth here is Director Thompson took the AMSAT > > member database, and handed it over to a 3rd party competing entity for the > > purpose of solicitation. I know I did not give ORI my home address, yet ORI > > sent me a letter. This was a violation of my privacy, and for AMSAT > > members living in the EU, this was a violation of the law. Any attempt to > > explain this away is just more lies and deceit from Director Thompson about > > the shady practices they have engaged in over the past few years. As I keep > > saying, this isn't a one time thing, this is a pattern of > > reprehensible behavior that is unbecoming of an elected position and this > > community. Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should resign. > > > > -Dave, KG5CCI > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:33 AM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < > > amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > > >> Yes, I can. > >> > >> That part of Clayton's letter is wrong and has been repeatedly clarified > >> before. Including at the 2019 annual board meeting, where Tom Clark asked > >> me about it, as part of the record. > >> > >> Clayton Coleman was secretary in 2019. > >> > >> He ran the election. > >> > >> He decided that candidate statements were limited in length to 350 words, > >> would be subject to editorial control by AMSAT, and could not include > >> links. These new rules were given to us right before the 4th of July > >> holiday with a deadline of the 7th. > >> > >> This is different than any election before, where statements went directly > >> to the printer from the candidate, were not limited in length, and no one > >> from AMSAT leadership (who might be running for reelection themselves) had > >> any control over the content of their challengers' statements. > >> > >> We got these rules right before ballots went out. We (four challengers) > >> already had normal-sized statements on the web and they had been up six > >> weeks at that point. Those were the ones we wanted to use, and link to. > >> > >> We knew that as candidates, we had the right to request the mailing list, > >> and send our own statements, independent of the ballot. > >> > >> I requested the address list and got the DBASE4 export. > >> > >> Bruce Perens had already written a letter of support and distributed it > >> widely on the web. It introduced us and included our four full bios and > >> statements. > >> > >> I asked Bruce if we could use his letter in the mailing. He said yes. Since > >> he was President of Open Research Institute at the time, he wanted the > >> return address to not be his private home address, but a business address. > >> That was ORI's address. He was the author of the endorsement, so I used his > >> preferred return address. > >> > >> I converted the DBASE4 to a more useful format, fixed the 50 or so > >> undeliverable addresses, and found an inexpensive printer. Then I sent the > >> letter from Bruce to the printer, with the bios and statements. > >> > >> That turned out to be a good thing. Bios and statements were not included > >> with the ballots mailed out, at all. > >> > >> If we had not sent the letter, then name recognition would be the primary > >> factor. We were running against well-known people. > >> > >> We complained about this. It was unusual departure from the past and seemed > >> set up to let leadership benefit from being incumbents. > >> > >> The original proposal from Clayton was for an electronic only ballot. > >> Patrick said that the bylaws were a bit clunky here and it did need to be > >> mailed out on paper. Paper was required. > >> > >> This is a big reason why I made a motion at our one board meeting, in > >> March, for a bylaws committee. > >> > >> This bylaw isn't hard to fix. There's lots of examples out there of > >> organizations doing electronic voting with working published bylaws. > >> > >> Bruce made it very clear, when the incumbents stirred up the pot about the > >> return address, that it was an endorsement from him, this was commonly done > >> in political campaigns, and it would be grossly improper for me to use > >> AMSATs return address because that would make it look like Bruce was > >> speaking for or was from AMSAT. That was not going to happen. *That* would > >> be improper. > >> > >> No one candidate wanted their personal address used as a return address. We > >> were mailing this as a slate and splitting the cost. We didn't have time or > >> funds to make an organization or rent a box for one letter on short notice. > >> The printer required a real return address. > >> > >> No one had the address list except the candidates. Namely me because I > >> contracted the printer and handled the DBASE4 address conversion. That is a > >> neat story in and of itself,, for another time. > >> > >> Bruce only sent the text to me and chipped in some money for postage. > >> > >> The printing was automated in Van Nuys, CA. > >> > >> All of this is known to Clayton Coleman and his friends on the board that > >> signed the statement from this week. It has been explained by Bruce > >> publicly, and by me several times on social media. Tom Clark brought it up > >> at the 2019 annual board meeting because of the return address > >> pot-stirring. I explained it there too. Like I said, it's on the record. > >> > >> I think insinuating the addresses were mishandled is a deliberate twisting > >> of honest efforts to scramble to get uncensored candidate statements out to > >> voters on short notice. We just didn't have a lot of time, and Bruce was > >> very generous in writing a cover letter. > >> > >> Again, candidates are allowed the use of the mailing lists for election > >> purposes. > >> > >> So, no, there was no breach. Clayton knows all this. > >> > >> Saying it the way he did is a cheap shot at me, Patrick, Bruce Perens, and > >> ORI. > >> > >> -Michelle W5NYV > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:11 Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello All, > >>> > >>> In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > >>> received as members. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > >>> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. > >>> > >>> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > >>> Open Research Institute." > >>> > >>> Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious > >>> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > >>> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > >>> "out in the wind"? > >>> > >>> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > >>> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > >>> that was procured online? > >>> > >>> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > >>> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > >>> the future. > >>> > >>> > >>> I look forward to an answer > >>> > >>> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >> Opinions > >>> expressed > >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > >>> AMSAT-NA. > >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > >> program! > >>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > >> expressed > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > >> AMSAT-NA. > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:33:38 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAK2MWOs9Vjn46XSXiOt-a_453vZnObB5GsPF+RhZV7EuryDyLg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > Date: Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > To: Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> > > > The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address, under "Open > Research Institute" was used as the return address. This was a mistake and > I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the author of the mailer, in which I > introduced the candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and > did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed someone responsible > who had a right to see that address, and promptly forgot it. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > > received as members. > > > > > > https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > > > > I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. > > > > "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > > Open Research Institute." > > > > Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious > > breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > > was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > > "out in the wind"? > > > > Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > > ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > > that was procured online? > > > > AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > > found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > > the future. > > > > > > I look forward to an answer > > > > 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:08:35 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAK2MWOskn_hhT4MpdhwQ2-nz7P44u+SUVuYvr-PYd7P8k3-ARw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The candidates are allowed the use of the mailing list for their campaign. > If you read the bylaws, they make it very clear. One of the candidates did > all of the handling of the mailing list. > > Incidentally, the board was not aware that they had to give the mailing > list to the candidates. This was something the candidates had to tell them, > after I read the bylaws. Had the board run things the way they desired, > only a board controlled 200 word statement would have reached you from the > candidates, except for the incumbents, who have had free use of AMSAT's > official publications to carry their opinions. > > In a more perfect world, the board would have known their own bylaws, or at > least the secretary who was running the election would have read them. > > But in a more perfect world, two people were trying to reform the > organization with not face quite this uphill a battle. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:00 PM Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well how did the bulk mailing company get the AMSAT member mailing list if > > AMSAT did not provide it? > > > > Kevin > > > > > > On 7/12/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address, under "Open > > Research Institute" was used as the return address. This was a mistake and > > I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the author of the mailer, in which I > > introduced the candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and > > did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed someone responsible > > who had a right to see that address, and promptly forgot it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bruce > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Hello All, > >> > >> In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > >> received as members. > >> > >> > >> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > >> > >> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. > >> > >> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > >> Open Research Institute." > >> > >> Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious > >> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > >> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > >> "out in the wind"? > >> > >> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > >> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > >> that was procured online? > >> > >> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > >> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > >> the future. > >> > >> > >> I look forward to an answer > >> > >> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >> Opinions expressed > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > >> AMSAT-NA. > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:48:21 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAK2MWOu-sb=r3bn14TwkT37m_LVhhj+rGrMHM90O0O_nQkjYuw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Kevin, > > No, I never saw the mailing list . I didn't do the mailing . I only wrote > the content . > > So, why was I involved at all ? > > I won't say I'm the best tech evangelist you know, because that is for > other people to judge. However, if you count the Open Source movement in > software; the campaign for the elimination of the Morse code requirement > for Amateur Radio licenses, which among other things I got on the front > page of the New York Times, above the fold; My work to help elect a new > ARRL board to end the confidentiality versus transparency debacle; And my > global appearance for IBM's "Dear Tech", campaign, which got at least 50000 > television and Internet airplays; > > If you count all those things, I am probably the person you want > introducing you as a candidate, and I might be a good person to tell you > how to run a campaign. > > As it happens I wrote my own campaign, which I was going to put out under > my own name, endorsing those candidates. And then the candidates chose to > use it as their main campaign statement. This was very flattering and > entirely their own choice. > > As an ARRL member, it was my right to participate in their election, and it > is my right to participate in AMSAT's. > > Thanks > > Bruce K6BP > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:29 PM Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Bruce, > > So hang on a moment, you're telling me that the candidates are allowed > > to use the mailing list for their campaign (fine), but rather than them > > doing it themselves they turned the task over to you? So you were in > > possession of the mailing list and then you turned it over to the bulk > > mailing center when you authored the mailer? > > > > Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/12/2020 9:08 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > The candidates are allowed the use of the mailing list for their campaign. > > If you read the bylaws, they make it very clear. One of the candidates did > > all of the handling of the mailing list. > > > > Incidentally, the board was not aware that they had to give the mailing > > list to the candidates. This was something the candidates had to tell them, > > after I read the bylaws. Had the board run things the way they desired, > > only a board controlled 200 word statement would have reached you from the > > candidates, except for the incumbents, who have had free use of AMSAT's > > official publications to carry their opinions. > > > > In a more perfect world, the board would have known their own bylaws, or > > at least the secretary who was running the election would have read them. > > > > But in a more perfect world, two people were trying to reform the > > organization with not face quite this uphill a battle. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bruce > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:00 PM Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Well how did the bulk mailing company get the AMSAT member mailing list > >> if AMSAT did not provide it? > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> > >> On 7/12/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > >> > >> The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address, under "Open > >> Research Institute" was used as the return address. This was a mistake and > >> I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the author of the mailer, in which I > >> introduced the candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and > >> did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed someone responsible > >> who had a right to see that address, and promptly forgot it. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Bruce > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello All, > >>> > >>> In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > >>> received as members. > >>> > >>> > >>> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > >>> > >>> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. > >>> > >>> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > >>> Open Research Institute." > >>> > >>> Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious > >>> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > >>> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > >>> "out in the wind"? > >>> > >>> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > >>> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > >>> that was procured online? > >>> > >>> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > >>> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > >>> the future. > >>> > >>> > >>> I look forward to an answer > >>> > >>> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >>> Opinions expressed > >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > >>> AMSAT-NA. > >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > >>> program! > >>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:30:29 -0700 > From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> > To: Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> > Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAK2MWOsYiCqnWi8igTOnVC-vh_Xo=yFtZKYgwwgnzYF-6qNfPQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The candidate felt that since I wrote the letter, that the return address > should be mine. I didn't ask for it, I especially did not ask for my home > address, which is not in the call book, to be used. As it happens, I found > out about one silent key member in the return mail, which I passed on and > promptly forgot. I work for lawyers all day in my consulting business, and > thus I read the rules, I understand the rules, I follow the rules. These > are not, by the way, Robert's Rules of Order. These are things like what a > director is responsible for, and how to run an election. It really bothers > me that the incumbents didn't know those rules. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 10:11 PM Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well Bruce, > > > > Something doesn't jive here, " I didn't do the mailing . I only wrote > > the content " then it seems the candidate would have been the person that > > was dealing with the bulk mailer and would have had their return address > > listed and it would not have been your home address on it. > > > > Guess it's time to pick a different bulk mailer. > > > > > > Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > > > > > > > > > > On 7/12/2020 9:48 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > Kevin, > > > > No, I never saw the mailing list . I didn't do the mailing . I only wrote > > the content . > > > > So, why was I involved at all ? > > > > I won't say I'm the best tech evangelist you know, because that is for > > other people to judge. However, if you count the Open Source movement in > > software; the campaign for the elimination of the Morse code requirement > > for Amateur Radio licenses, which among other things I got on the front > > page of the New York Times, above the fold; My work to help elect a new > > ARRL board to end the confidentiality versus transparency debacle; And my > > global appearance for IBM's "Dear Tech", campaign, which got at least 50000 > > television and Internet airplays; > > > > If you count all those things, I am probably the person you want > > introducing you as a candidate, and I might be a good person to tell you > > how to run a campaign. > > > > As it happens I wrote my own campaign, which I was going to put out under > > my own name, endorsing those candidates. And then the candidates chose to > > use it as their main campaign statement. This was very flattering and > > entirely their own choice. > > > > As an ARRL member, it was my right to participate in their election, and > > it is my right to participate in AMSAT's. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bruce K6BP > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:29 PM Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Bruce, > >> So hang on a moment, you're telling me that the candidates are allowed > >> to use the mailing list for their campaign (fine), but rather than them > >> doing it themselves they turned the task over to you? So you were in > >> possession of the mailing list and then you turned it over to the bulk > >> mailing center when you authored the mailer? > >> > >> Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 7/12/2020 9:08 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > >> > >> The candidates are allowed the use of the mailing list for their > >> campaign. If you read the bylaws, they make it very clear. One of the > >> candidates did all of the handling of the mailing list. > >> > >> Incidentally, the board was not aware that they had to give the mailing > >> list to the candidates. This was something the candidates had to tell them, > >> after I read the bylaws. Had the board run things the way they desired, > >> only a board controlled 200 word statement would have reached you from the > >> candidates, except for the incumbents, who have had free use of AMSAT's > >> official publications to carry their opinions. > >> > >> In a more perfect world, the board would have known their own bylaws, or > >> at least the secretary who was running the election would have read them. > >> > >> But in a more perfect world, two people were trying to reform the > >> organization with not face quite this uphill a battle. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Bruce > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:00 PM Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Well how did the bulk mailing company get the AMSAT member mailing list > >>> if AMSAT did not provide it? > >>> > >>> Kevin > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/12/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > >>> > >>> The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address, under "Open > >>> Research Institute" was used as the return address. This was a mistake and > >>> I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the author of the mailer, in which I > >>> introduced the candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and > >>> did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed someone responsible > >>> who had a right to see that address, and promptly forgot it. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Bruce > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello All, > >>>> > >>>> In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > >>>> received as members. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > >>>> > >>>> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed > >>>> before. > >>>> > >>>> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > >>>> Open Research Institute." > >>>> > >>>> Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a > >>>> serious > >>>> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > >>>> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > >>>> "out in the wind"? > >>>> > >>>> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > >>>> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > >>>> that was procured online? > >>>> > >>>> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > >>>> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > >>>> the future. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I look forward to an answer > >>>> > >>>> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >>>> Opinions expressed > >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > >>>> of AMSAT-NA. > >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > >>>> program! > >>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via amsat-bb(a)amsat.org. > AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ------------------------------ > > End of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 15, Issue 241 > *****************************************

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Large AZ/El disk rotors
by Ollie Eisman 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Hi everyone, I would like to attach a solid 8' fiberglass dish to an az/el rotor system. Does anyone have any experience with either Alfa Spid Big RAK/RAEL system or the Sub Lunar EME rotor that Green Heron sells? Curious to know how well they work, handle wind gusts, interface with a PC, etc. I like what M2 offers but their prices are a bit more than I can afford. I'm open to suggestions. 73, Ollie AJ1O AMSAT #19698

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Still one part missing.... (skip if you don't want to read about the BoD concerns)
by Roy Dean 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

[Legal Disclaimer: None of the below should be construed as fact. I am only trying to confirm what I know in order to make an informed decision when it comes time to vote. Please feel free to correct any assumptions or conclusions I may have reached below] I understand both of Directors Stoddard's and Thompson's concerns about the validity of certain spending on legal advice. I understand both of Directors Stoddard's and Thompson's concerns about the withholding of corporate documents until a legal demand letter was presented. I understand the concerns of many of the board and executives about a conflict of interest with Director Thomson's involvement with ORI. I understand the concerns of many of the board and executives regarding harassment policies. I understand the concerns of some of the members about the potential misuse of the membership mailing list by an alleged "agent" of Director Thompson (and/or ORI), as well as understanding the reasoning Director Thompson put forward for the ORI return address on mailing in question. One thing I do not understand is why any of this does (or did) affect Director Stoddard? Why was corporate documentation withheld from him? From what I can tell, he has no relation to ORI. Is it because his candidate statement was included with the ORI mailing (I don't even know if it was, I cannot remember and didn't save my mailing)? Was it because he hesitated (or refused) to sign the new NDA? Or did he sign the new NDA? Were all other BoD members asked to sign the NDA prior to being given access to the corporate documents that were alleged to be withheld from Dirs. Stoddard and Thompson? Is that NDA now SOP for all new Directors and Executives? Again, I have had very positive relationships with almost everybody involved, so I want to be sure I understand exactly what has happened so that I can make an informed decision when it is time to vote for new Directors. If anybody feels that I have portrayed them unfairly or incorrectly, please let me know. I know this is just more fuel on the fire, and for that, I apologize. I hope we can all put this behind us soon. --Roy K3RLD

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Re: [amsat-bb] Gravitas
by Robert Ehresman 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I'd like to point out that the "Join AMSAT" page is currently giving out Error 404. PAGE NOT FOUND (ERROR 404) Sorry, but the page you are trying to access either does not exist or is not available. Home <https://launch.amsat.org/> Back Sitemap <https://launch.amsat.org/Sitemap> >I invite you to turn your angst, whatever it >might be, into action by joining AMSAT >and have a vote in the matter. Otherwise, >you?re just ranting with into the wind for >no reason other than to hear your own >voice? >https://www.amsat.org/join-amsat/ ><https://www.amsat.org/join-amsat/>

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AMSAT-NA, another perspective
by Russ Ramirez 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I have been a member on/off since 2012. I have never been removed from this AMSAT mailing list, but have not always been able to log into the AMSAT.org web site. In spite of this, I have renewed my membership, typically at Hamvention (until this year, but did so online), and made extra purchases to support the work of AMSAT. I definitely echo the message of Hans BX2ABT. Not everyone is bad, but unfortunately too many are not good either. When reading over each point of view of this ongoing dispute, it is not very clear what started this dispute. In a statement in response to allegations of financial mismanagement, Clayton wrote: *AMSAT's corporate records give a full accounting of all expendituresand are provided to its Directors upon request, in compliance with ourgoverning documents and law of the District of Columbia (D.C.) Ouroffice remains closed due to COVID-19, where those documents reside.Furthermore, AMSAT complies with IRS rules for 501(c)(3) disclosure ofpublic financial documents, such as the Form 990 available on theAMSAT website * The above statement is either wholly true, or gray, because making a statement like this which is completely false would be illegal. Michelle, you have claimed that you (and Patrick) were denied access to financial transaction records upon your written request. Can we simply focus on *what* specifically started this whole thing? Russ Ramirez K0WFS

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Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 15, Issue 242
by Daniel Schultz 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Dear Gailen, In filing your two line gripe about the "structural squabbling" displacing the normal discussion of the "birds" on amsat-bb, you forwarded all 913 lines of the entire AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 15, Issue 242, back to the group. If you are going to complain about the signal to noise ratio, at least take the time to edit your reply before hitting send. If you can't do that from your iPhone, then wait until you get home and send your reply from a real computer. No we are not going to create yet another mailing list. If you don't like it then hit Delete and go on to the next message about the "birds". Dan Schultz N8FGV ------ Original Message ------ >Received: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:50:47 -0500 >From: Gailen Marshall <gdm2md(a)gmail.com> >To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org >Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 15, Issue 233 >Message-ID: <92CBBC69-47D9-46E3-A39C-4B8DBD8482F5(a)gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Yes! Can we stick to the birds and let those interested in structural squabbling >have their own venue? Gailen N5GDM > >Sent from my iPhone

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when is the election being discussed?
by Daniel Velez 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I joined in June but I haven't seen any ballot info. 73 de Dan

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A question
by Efrem Acosta 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Is it true all posts now on this board are being held for approval by a moderator? 73 De W2CZ Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
by Bruce Perens 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

The point I was trying to make was that by posing Robert's Rules as the tool of unsavory individuals, you seem to pose all rules that way. I think we should both agree that corporate directors should know their bylaws. It was my experience that Clayton did not read them before taking on operating the AMSAT election. AMSAT had to be told that it had a responsibility to provide addresses to the candidates for campaigning. The bylaws also call for the organizations publications to be available for campaigning - which is still not being fulfilled. Thanks Bruce On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 12:31 AM Paul F. Merrill <marinesvcs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I know what they are. It was an example, perhaps too subtle, of the > continually-plumbed depths of human dipshittery. > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 23:01 Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> wrote: > >> Paul, >> >> Roberts Rules are regarding parliamentary procedure. AMSAT's bylaws are >> at >> https://www.amsat.org/bylaws-of-the-radio-amateur-satellite-corporation/ >> . They do not specify parliamentary procedure. They are about >> responsibilities of a director, elections, etc. And if you have the choice, >> Roberts is an antique, good parliamentarians use Sturgis. >> >> Bruce >> >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:12 PM Paul F. Merrill via AMSAT-BB < >> amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: >> >>> I agree that this mailing list has strayed from its strongest >>> contribution: >>> satellite information, discussion, and mentoring. >>> >>> I come from, and have been on the BOD of, a professional organization >>> for a >>> number of years now. >>> >>> FWIW, I know too well that an organization often lawyers up to protect >>> itself, and in our issues, our attorney was engaged to act solely on >>> behalf >>> of the Organization and not necessarily current management. >>> >>> This thread has turned in to a long, ugly diatribe filled with >>> accusations, >>> counter-accusations, and painfully-obvious shills. I am a >>> recently-renewed >>> member who doesn’t have a dog in the fight, so I just want what’s best >>> for >>> AMSAT. >>> >>> Sadly, the stereotypes are starting to show - the members who contribute >>> nothing but want to tear down those “In power,” the members who >>> contribute >>> nothing and don’t want anyone to make waves, and the few who actually do >>> anything. As a number of people have commented, working in a non-profit >>> or >>> unpaid leadership role is utterly thankless, which is lost on many >>> people - >>> especially those who have never labored in this sort of endeavor. >>> >>> My favorite story from our times of trouble is when our Parliamentarian >>> said, “Roberts Rules are the last refuge of a scoundrel. Grown men and >>> women should be able to comport themselves reasonably...but then I’d be >>> out >>> of a job.” I’m taking a little license with his exact words, but the >>> sentiment, along with my experience, formed my native distrust of those >>> who >>> are right and everyone and everything before them is wrong. So...there’s >>> my bias. I will examine that, and all the information I can before I >>> vote. I hope everyone else will take the time and expend the effort to >>> vote as intelligently as they can. >>> >>> My overriding guidance to my Association is that we contribute to the >>> group >>> so that we all benefit from the group. A strong organization should >>> outlive us. >>> >>> Personally, I can’t wait to vote and hopefully put a fork in this. >>> >>> Paul / W7IV >>> >>> >>> >>> ————————- >>> >>> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:27:24 -0700 >>> From: "Daron Wilson" <daron(a)wilson.org> >>> To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> >>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read >>> Message-ID: <00b501d658bd$26119cc0$7234d640$@org> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Is there a bulletin board that discusses amateur radio satellites >>> operations still? Asking for a friend. This is getting old. >>> >>> >>> Daron N7HQR >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>

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Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 15, Issue 243
by Michael Tondee 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Non member here. I am voting. It's called voting with my wallet and withholding financial support until AMSAT does something worth supporting. A good start would be the members cleaning house this election! Probably won't happen and sadly the good ole boy network will remain. As I've already stated, it's not just this scandal either, it's the direction AMSAT has taken since the demise of Eagle and the inability of the entire international community to find a ride for P3-E. Many are frustrated. I think if the AMSAT board and membership would open their eyes, they'd be amazed to find how many other hams are out here who feel the same way and are doing exactly the same as I am too. Done with this now, pointless to comment any further. 73, Michael, W4HIJ > > > Respect and trust are things not easily earned from people we almost never see. It?s not difficult for me to respect and trust my wife having lived with her for 42 years. Politicians and BoD members aren?t like that. We often barely know them so any decision about who to vote for or who to trust when conflicts arise is generally something of a gamble. > > But in this case the "explanation letter" issued by AMSAT was signed by some people I've trusted for years, especially Dr. Tom Clark and Keith Baker whose signatures lend considerable gravitas to the response. > > That said, I?m satisfied with the response and have made up my mind about the choices in the coming election I intend to make. I hope you all have too. And for those non-members who have kicked up considerable chaff here on the -BB, I invite you to turn your angst, whatever it might be, into action by joining AMSAT and have a vote in the matter. Otherwise, you?re just ranting with into the wind for no reason other than to hear your own voice? > > https://www.amsat.org/join-amsat/ <https://www.amsat.org/join-amsat/> > > > Jeff, KE9V > AMSAT 28350 > > > > >

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The SATS
by Gerald Witalec 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

With all this hate and discontent going on, I have eight individuals who are interested inobtaining their Amateur Ham Radio License, but what they are seeing the bickeringon this board, they are now all on hold. Their interest was also in the satellites. Jerry...W8RQM

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Gravitas
by Jeff Davis 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Respect and trust are things not easily earned from people we almost never see. It’s not difficult for me to respect and trust my wife having lived with her for 42 years. Politicians and BoD members aren’t like that. We often barely know them so any decision about who to vote for or who to trust when conflicts arise is generally something of a gamble. But in this case the "explanation letter" issued by AMSAT was signed by some people I've trusted for years, especially Dr. Tom Clark and Keith Baker whose signatures lend considerable gravitas to the response. That said, I’m satisfied with the response and have made up my mind about the choices in the coming election I intend to make. I hope you all have too. And for those non-members who have kicked up considerable chaff here on the -BB, I invite you to turn your angst, whatever it might be, into action by joining AMSAT and have a vote in the matter. Otherwise, you’re just ranting with into the wind for no reason other than to hear your own voice… https://www.amsat.org/join-amsat/ <https://www.amsat.org/join-amsat/> Jeff, KE9V AMSAT 28350

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Re: [amsat-bb] Non Profits and Boards
by Michael Tondee 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I have no idea what this below is supposed to insinuate if anything but to set the record straight, I am responsible for two recent post both of which I stand by. The "cookie jar" reference and the opinion that AMSAT has been stagnant and absent of any real innovation for years. The "stagnant" post never went through for whatever reason so I ended up forwarding it again. Yes, that's full my name and call, been at the same QTH for 27 years and my opinions are my own. The call was originally my late father's. Even though I'm not a member any more, I keep up with this list because I keep hoping this organization will do something to show me it deserves my support. Needless to say this latest fiasco doesn't do that. >From the outside looking in AMSAT is broken and it was broken long before this scandal. Now I'm repeating myself, for what good it does. Y'all really should clean house in your next election. Misappropriation of funds in a non profit is no laughing matter. I will gladly join again if I see that happen and I begin to see this organization moving forward again. 73, Michael W4HIJ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:33:28 -0700 > From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab(a)yahoo.com> > To: Dwayne Sinclair <nna6us(a)gmail.com> > Cc: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Non Profits and Boards > Message-ID: <cdead1a6-a683-4af9-a92c-8d3083e8d5f4(a)yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Now it gets even better. > > Who is NA6US? Dwayne Sinclair? Didn't come up on qrz.com. > > Why was this posted under > > MICHAEL A TONDEE, W4HIJ's name? > > > ?___ > Sent from my two way wrist watch > 73 de W3AB/GEO? > >

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Members Please Read
by Brad Smith 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election. Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege. 73 Brad KC9UQR

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Enough of this!
by Meeko Kittika 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I'm from Amsat-UK land and completely disgusted with this pantomime. I'm un-subscribing because I came here to discuss and learn about amateur satellites with like minded individuals. I was wrong apparently. What I'm witnessing is a mess. Sort yourselves out! You do a disservice to the hobby. Meeko M0FVD

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Re: [amsat-bb] Back after a 2 yr absence
by Clint Bradford 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Me, too. Was just appointed as an AMSAT Ambassador. Other than that, not much newsworthy lately from AMSAT-NA … (g) Clint Bradford K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com > On Jul 13, 2020, at 5:55 AM, amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org wrote: > > Back after a 2 yr absence ...

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Back after a 2 yr absence
by Rafael Pena 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Saludos Armando. Pues buscate un lector ( "reader") para que dijieras todo lo que ha pasado en este tiempo de ausencia....espero escucharte en los sat algun dia desde Washington, DC Rafael / NN3RP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:57:45 -0400 From: Armando Mercado <am25544(a)gmail.com> To: amsat-bb(a)amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Back after a 2 yr absence Message-ID: <CAOgooFkH6TK5L=zMEvg7qis17gh-QOz1T2UVT3361i1=SNPN_Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I recently renewed my membership. Looks like I have a lot of catching up to do. Armando, N8IGJ ------------------------------

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Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
by Paul F. Merrill 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I agree that this mailing list has strayed from its strongest contribution: satellite information, discussion, and mentoring. I come from, and have been on the BOD of, a professional organization for a number of years now. FWIW, I know too well that an organization often lawyers up to protect itself, and in our issues, our attorney was engaged to act solely on behalf of the Organization and not necessarily current management. This thread has turned in to a long, ugly diatribe filled with accusations, counter-accusations, and painfully-obvious shills. I am a recently-renewed member who doesn’t have a dog in the fight, so I just want what’s best for AMSAT. Sadly, the stereotypes are starting to show - the members who contribute nothing but want to tear down those “In power,” the members who contribute nothing and don’t want anyone to make waves, and the few who actually do anything. As a number of people have commented, working in a non-profit or unpaid leadership role is utterly thankless, which is lost on many people - especially those who have never labored in this sort of endeavor. My favorite story from our times of trouble is when our Parliamentarian said, “Roberts Rules are the last refuge of a scoundrel. Grown men and women should be able to comport themselves reasonably...but then I’d be out of a job.” I’m taking a little license with his exact words, but the sentiment, along with my experience, formed my native distrust of those who are right and everyone and everything before them is wrong. So...there’s my bias. I will examine that, and all the information I can before I vote. I hope everyone else will take the time and expend the effort to vote as intelligently as they can. My overriding guidance to my Association is that we contribute to the group so that we all benefit from the group. A strong organization should outlive us. Personally, I can’t wait to vote and hopefully put a fork in this. Paul / W7IV ————————- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:27:24 -0700 From: "Daron Wilson" <daron(a)wilson.org> To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read Message-ID: <00b501d658bd$26119cc0$7234d640$@org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Is there a bulletin board that discusses amateur radio satellites operations still? Asking for a friend. This is getting old. Daron N7HQR

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Back after a 2 yr absence
by Armando Mercado 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I recently renewed my membership. Looks like I have a lot of catching up to do. Armando, N8IGJ

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Testing
by Michael Tondee 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I'm sorry but I don't see where my last post ever got through. Pretty sure it was sent to the right place but I never saw it show up. Hmnn, wonder why... too critical? At any rate, not a member but reading all the mud being slung at two board members, who for the most part just seemed to have asked for some board accountability, this sure looks like a classic case of the kids getting caught with their hand in the proverbial cookie jar and they're now scurrying to cover it up from Mom&Dad. Sigh.... 73, Michael, W4HIJ

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Re: [amsat-bb] Foolishness
by Michael Tondee 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Foolishness Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:50:32 -0400 From: Michael Tondee <mat_62(a)charter.net> To: amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org >> I choose not to support the organization or get involved at present and have not in quite a long while because I don't like the direction it has gone in and see it as stagnant of any real innovation for at least the last ten years. I can guarantee you there are other hams out here like me too. Since I'm no longer a paying member,feel free to disregard my opinion but judging by the conversations I've had with others who feel the way I do, AMSAT may be doing so at it's own peril. Many, many of us are tired of the AMSAT status quo. I'm not even sure that the direction Ms. Thompson and Mr. Stoddard want to take the organization in is one I'd like to go but at least they are trying to do SOMETHING! The comment someone made earlier about a couple of new directors breaking up the "good ole boys club" seems very apropos and I second it. I follow this list faithfully always looking and hoping that someone wil wake this organization from it's at least decade long nap! Maybe that's finally happening, I don't know, one can only hope. Not all of us can volunteer, much as some of us would like to but if you show me you're actually doing something besides simply being content to wave antennas at flying FM repeaters you will again receive my financial support. I don't purport to be part of somesort of "silent majority" or anything like that but I do know my view is shared by many. Y'all have a nice day! 73, Michael W4HIJ > These satellites don't just build themselves. If you choose not to get > involved with YOUR organization, then don't post on amsat-bb someday wondering > why there are no more satellites available for you to "play radio" with. > > For some, this may be "just a hobby", for those who volunteer to serve AMSAT > with their personal time and effort, it is much more than "just a hobby". I > believe that every volunteer comes to AMSAT to serve the cause of keeping > amateur radio in space, but may see different ways to move the organization > forward toward that goal. > > There is a Board election coming up very soon. Like all elections, it behooves > you as a good citizen of AMSAT to be informed of the issues and make a wise > choice in voting for your elected representatives. As my high school civics > teacher (and probably yours) said, "if you don't vote, you don't have aright > to complain". > > 73, Dan Schultz N8FGV > >

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Re: [amsat-bb] Non Profits and Boards
by Dwayne Sinclair 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

I’m not on QRZ. Hamqth qrzcw, lots, club log, or FCC. I asked QRZ to delete my online account and instead, they left my account (I can still login), but deleted my callsign lookup. Regards Dwayne NA6US > On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:33 PM, W3AB/GEO <w3ab(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Now it gets even better. > > Who is NA6US? Dwayne Sinclair? Didn't come up on qrz.com <http://qrz.com/>. > > Why was this posted under > > MICHAEL A TONDEE, W4HIJ's name? > > > ___ > Sent from my two way wrist watch > 73 de W3AB/GEO > On Jul 12, 2020, at 20:06, Dwayne Sinclair via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Disappointed to say the least with both board and membership. I have have been a board member on a number of non profits and my wife is currently an executive director of a non profit. In the non profits my wife and I have been involved with, legal and accounting fees are a “normal” > course of doing business and don't require all the board or membership to approve. If board members are creating situation that require a legal response then that just plain sucks but is “normal”. Better to have a board that can work together but it appears this is currently not the case. Personally I am satisfied with the official response. > > Dwayne NA6US. > > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>

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AMSAT Member Mailing list
by Bruce Perens 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> Date: Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list To: Kevin <wa7fwf(a)gmail.com> The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address, under "Open Research Institute" was used as the return address. This was a mistake and I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the author of the mailer, in which I introduced the candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company and did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed someone responsible who had a right to see that address, and promptly forgot it. Thanks Bruce On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > Hello All, > > In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we all > received as members. > > > https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_L… > > I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed before. > > "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to > Open Research Institute." > > Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a serious > breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? > was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say > "out in the wind"? > > Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how > ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something > that was procured online? > > AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it > found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in > the future. > > > I look forward to an answer > > 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB(a)amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >

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Non Profits and Boards
by Dwayne Sinclair 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Disappointed to say the least with both board and membership. I have have been a board member on a number of non profits and my wife is currently an executive director of a non profit. In the non profits my wife and I have been involved with, legal and accounting fees are a “normal” course of doing business and don't require all the board or membership to approve. If board members are creating situation that require a legal response then that just plain sucks but is “normal”. Better to have a board that can work together but it appears this is currently not the case. Personally I am satisfied with the official response. Dwayne NA6US.

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Good news - Floating Vivado license available for community use
by Michelle Thompson 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Good news - if you are working on open source amateur radio satellite FPGA code, we have a resource available for you. Thanks to Yasme Foundation and ARRL Foundation support, Open Research Institute has purchased a floating Vivado license (Vivado HL System Edition). This includes the System Generator for DSP. The only requirement is that the work be open source and publicly accessible. The license files are distributed through a Github key management function, so if you already have a GitHub repository, then you are ready to go. Get in touch with me with your GitHub account name to start setup. The process has been tested but I'm sure some snags will be revealed as more users come onboard. If you are working on AMSAT-NA closed source FPGA work, then there are at least two older node-locked Vivado licenses available. You should already have access to those from within engineering. There's a lot of really great opportunities to implement LDPC and other high-performance error correcting codes, along with finite state machines and camera support. Does anyone have a need for another type of license? If there is something standing in your way of getting things done, please let me know. -Michelle W5NYV

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Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
by Clint Bradford 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

>> … Did the organization spend money when you literally threaten them with litigation? My problem was never with AMSAT-NA. It was one of their volunteers - ‘EWK - who was accusing me of plagiarism, of otherwise being dishonest, and his additional libelous, published statements intended to damage my reputation. Legal recourse? It would have taken a lot of money for me to initiate formal litigation. But that was never my intent. I knew as soon as the AMSAT-NA board saw how close they were to becoming involved in such a case, they would rein in the threat. Patrick collaborated creating an obscene, defamatory Web site for a short while, then, apparently lost interest. My “cease and desist” letter achieved its intended result, as far as I am concerned. Clint Bradford K6LCS

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ANS-194 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
by Paul Stoetzer 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-194 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation service of AMSAT, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building, launching and commun- icating through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites. The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it. Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to: ans-editor at amsat.org. You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service Bulletins via the ANS List; to join this list see: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ans In this edition: * AMSAT Leadership Explains 2018-2020 Legal Expenses * Update on HO-107 (HuskySat-1) * AMSAT-DL Proposes LunART - Luna Amateur Radio Transponder * Buffalo Soldiers Special Event on the Satellites * Hamfests, Conventions, Maker Faires, and Other Events * Upcoming Satellite Operations * Upcoming ARISS Contacts * Satellite Shorts from All Over SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-194.01 ANS-194 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins AMSAT News Service Bulletin 194.01 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD. DATE July 12, 2020 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-194.01 +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the AMSAT office is closed until further notice. For details, please visit https://www.amsat.org/amsat-office-closed-until-further-notice/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ AMSAT Leadership Explains 2018-2020 Legal Expenses On July 10, 2020, AMSAT President Clayton Coleman, W5PFG, sent the following letter to AMSAT members regarding legal expenses incurred during the 2018-2020 timeframe. The letter was co-signed by Dr. Tom Clark, K3IO, Martha Saragovitz, Keith Baker, KB1SF, Robert Bankston, CPA, KE4AL, Jerry Buxton, N0JY, Drew Glasbrenner, KO4MA, Dr. Mark Hammond, N8MH, Bruce Paige, KK5DO, and Paul Stoetzer, N8HM. https://tinyurl.com/ANS-194-Letter [ANS thanks the AMSAT Office for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update on HO-107 (HuskySat-1) AMSAT Vice President - Engineering Jerry Buxton, N0JY, posted the following update on HO-107 (HuskySat-1) on the AMSAT-BB: While it is disappointing that the transponder did not see a longer period of use following the science missions, the overall HuskySat-1/HO-107 project and mission were quite beneficial for our partner and for AMSAT. The HuskySat-1 team were able to command their satellite and experiments and receive the telemetry they sought, and AMSAT was able to work through the extensive process of making a new design for a "black box" radio module that can be integrated into a non-AMSAT spacecraft and fly in the space environment. The LTM (Linear Transponder Module) on HO-107 worked for over three months after HuskySat-1 came alive following its deployment. The failure of the LTM came during or just after a period of full sun where LTM temperatures reached over 80 degrees Celsius. While licensed and operated as an amateur radio satellite by AMSAT during the transponder use, there are some facts that set HO-107 apart from our Fox-1 CubeSats and other AMSAT satellites. 1. It's not our satellite. We have no control and may not have any insight into how a partner actually uses the LTM. While we see the LTM temperatures and many of the other typical data fields that we downlink to FoxTelem regarding LTM health, data such as temperature of the host environment as well as other specific information like power and the state of the other systems in a host satellite may or may not be available to us. Whether LTM is operated within design limits is entirely up to the host. The University of Washington HuskySat Labs team was very cooperative with us on this mission, however there are things regarding their mission that we do not know because they are processing and studying their data for use in their thesis and classes and preparing it for release in a specific way typical of such an institution today. AMSAT is generally more forthcoming with information about our missions but what we can and have said about this mission is determined by UW. That is really no different to certain aspects of our own missions. Most members are likely familiar with the vague wording I provide for some of our launch timelines and that is the result of the same thing, in the owner of the launch vehicle or LSP/APIC determining what we can say to the public and when. 2. HO-107 was the first ever use of a new product, the AMSAT LTM. The LTM idea was first put forth at the AMSAT leadership strategic planning meeting in 2017 and is now coming into availability for other non-AMSAT CubeSats to fly amateur radio on their mission. HO-107 is the pilot production of LTM and was developed in partnership with UW HuskySat-1. It was the first CubeSat radio module designed and built by AMSAT for use in other host CubeSats, and UW was key in working with us through the design and processes needed to provide such a module. They did not buy it as, nor did we give it to them as an "off the shelf" product as we plan to for future LTM production. LTM was developed from the Fox-1E linear transponder design, and provided in a partnership with UW that started in November 2014 when we made an agreement with University of Washington to fly an amateur radio on their CubeSat mission. Overall, the HuskySat-1 team were quite happy with the telemetry and command performance even with the LTM anomalies showing up toward the end of their experiments. In the process of getting HuskySat-1 to orbit several students became interested in amateur radio, and we have already had preliminary discussions of future joint mission plans. The ability to provide more LTM to new and future partners will increase the number of orbiting satellites carrying amateur radio, at a low cost to AMSAT and the partner, keeping amateur radio in space even as we develop newer and more capable satellites. There is no doubt that HO-107 was a success in many ways beyond the operational life of the transponder. As usual, the AMSAT Engineering team of volunteers deserve the praise for putting yet another amateur radio in space be it in our own satellite, or in a partner satellite! [ANS thanks Jerry Buxton, N0JY, AMSAT Vice President - Engineering, for the above information] +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ AMSAT's GOLF Program is about getting back to higher orbits, and it all begins with GOLF-TEE – a technology demonstrator for deployable solar panels, propulsion, and attitude control. Come along for the ride. The journey will be worth it! https://tinyurl.com/ANS-GOLF +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ AMSAT-DL Proposes LunART - Luna Amateur Radio Transponder AMSAT-DL has submitted a proposal to the European Space Agency to place an amateur radio communications link on the Large European Lander. This system would support direct communication with earth through amateur radio frequencies in the microwave bands, support University and Student Payloads with direct access to their experiments, allow Radio Science for a huge community of radio amateur operators and scientists worldwide. It would also provide an important back-up communication capability and capacity during emergency or when the ESA network is busy. More details can be found at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-LunART AMSAT wishes our friends at AMSAT-DL the best of luck on their proposal. This would be a great resource for amateur radio should it come to fruition. [ANS thanks AMSAT-DL for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Buffalo Soldiers Special Event on the Satellites In honor of Buffalo Soldiers Month and to commemorate the formation of the United States Army 9th and 10th Calvary Buffalo Soldiers Regiments the Texas Parks and Wildlife will take part of a worldwide amateur radio special event on July 25th - 26th, 2020. Transmissions will begin transmitting at 8am CST Saturday morning July 25 and will end 8pm CST Sunday July 26. Commemorative QSL cards and Certificates will be available (see the callsign W5W or W5B at the QRZ.com web site for QSL information). Operations will be held on: Voice 10, 15, 20, 40 and 80 meters Digital FT8 on 20, 40 and 80 meters CW on 20, 40 meters Satellite Listen for the FCC assigned callsigns: W5W or W5B Shortwave Listeners (SWL) are encouraged to participate. For those without amateur radio privileges to transmit or listen in, please join us Saturday July 25 at 1pm CST on Facebook Live, look for Buffalo Soldiers Program - Texas Parks and Wildlife, for participation and a chance at a special QSL Card and Commemorative Certificate. For additional information about the Buffalo Soldiers legacy and an excellent video history about the Buffalo Soldiers with commentary from Judge Joe Green please visit www.qrz.com and enter W5W or W5B into the search box. [ANS thanks Rudy Hardy, W5HRH, for the above information] +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Purchase AMSAT Gear on our Zazzle storefront. 25% of the purchase price of each product goes towards Keeping Amateur Radio in Space https://www.zazzle.com/amsat_gear +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Hamfests, Conventions, Maker Faires, and Other Events Want to see AMSAT in action or learn more about amateur radio in space? AMSAT Ambassadors provide presentations, demonstrate communicating through amateur satellites, and host information tables at club meetings, hamfests, conventions, maker faires, and other events. Due to COVID-19, many hamfest and events around the United States have been canceled or postponed. While we make every effort to ensure the information contained below is correct, there may be some that we missed. No events are currently scheduled. We wish all of you safekeeping and hope to be at a hamfest near you soon. [ANS thanks Robert Bankston, KE4AL, AMSAT Vice President - User Services, for the above information] +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Need new satellite antennas? Purchase Arrows, Alaskan Arrows, and M2 LEO-Packs from the AMSAT Store. When you purchase through AMSAT, a portion of the proceeds goes towards Keeping Amateur Radio in Space. https://amsat.org/product-category/hardware/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Upcoming Satellite Operations Quick Hits: EM57 & EM67 (Saturday 7/11 & 7/12) N4DCW may also stop in EM58, passes posted on his QRZ page. FN45 & FN46, VE2FUA, 7/12 & 7/13: Chris is heading out to a little known (to rovers at least) called Maine. Might want to get him while he is there. DN44, 7/13 – 7/17, @N7AGF FM for sure may bring linear gear if it fits. FM13 & FM03, 7/12 & 7/13, Wz4M is heading out Holiday Style EN20/30 Line, July 28-31, KX9X : Sean is moving quickly towards his VUCC/R award by heading out again for two more grids. Watch his Twitter for details. DM97/98 & EM08/09: Super Rover @ADoDX is heading out for the Kansas QSO party and N0E. More to come. @WY7AA is heading out again!!! Mon. 7/13 Drive day possible FM passes from DN63 Tues – Sat. 7/14 – 7/18 SSB and FM passes from DN64 Burgess Junction, WY. Some HF POTA K-4534 Big Horn National Forest Sun. 7/19 Travel day no sats, but internet updates Mon 7/20 SSB and FM passes from DN67/68. Every pass from about 16:00 – 04:00 Tues 7/21 SSB and FM passes from DN57/58. Every pass from about 16:00 – 04:00 Wed. 7/22 Travel day no sats Thurs 7/23 SSB and FM passes from DN55/56. Every pass from about 16:00 – 04:00 Fri 7/24 SSB and FM passes from DN65/66. Every pass from about 16:00 – 04:00 Watch his QRZ page for details and updates. Please submit any additions or corrections to ke0pbr(a)gmail.com [ANS thanks Paul Overn, KE0PBR, for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming ARISS Contacts Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Don Bosco Haacht Technisch en Beroepsonderwijs, Haacht, Belgium, Multi -point telebridge via AB1OC The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Chris Cassidy KF5KDR Contact was successful: Fri 2020-07-10 10:49:51 UTC 27 deg (***) International Aerospace School, Ufa, Russia, direct via TBD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be RSØISS The scheduled astronaut is Ivan Vagner Contact is go for Fri 2020-07-17 19:10 UTC [ANS thanks Charlie Sufana, AJ9N, ARISS Operations, for the above information] +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ AMSAT, along with our ARISS partners, is developing an amateur radio package, including two-way communication capability, to be carried on-board Gateway in lunar orbit. Support AMSAT's projects today at https://www.amsat.org/donate/ +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Satellite Shorts From All Over +Congratulations to Kevin Manzer, N4UFO, on earning AMSAT GridMaster Award #12 for working all 488 continental US grids. Kevin notes that it took him just over five years, from 2013-2018, to accomplish this goal. More information regarding the GridMaster Award can be found at https://www.amsat.org/gridmaster/ (via KK5DO and N4UFO) +F4DXV and R9LR have set another new satellite distance record - this time on LilacSat-2. The 4,561 km QSO occured on 10-Jul-2020 at 04:23 UTC. Records are listed at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-SatDist (via F4DXV and N8HM) +An article about the first amateur radio communication system in lunar orbit, aboard LO-94, has been published at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-194-LO-94 (via BG2BHC on Twitter). +Congratulations to KP4RV for being the first station in Puerto Rico to receive the VUCC Award on amateur satellites (via KF7R on Twitter). +The European Space Agency recently published a how-to video regarding reception of ISS SSTV pictures. An ISS SSTV transmission is expected within the next few weeks in commemoration of the 45th anniversary of Apollo/Soyuz: https://youtu.be/HtC-BPcMruA +All issues of The AMSAT Journal dating back to 2014 are now available to AMSAT members on AMSAT's new membership portal. The 1969-2013 archive will be added at a later date. All editions of AMSAT's Symposium Proceedings are also available for members If you're a current AMSAT member, get logged on today. If you are not yet a member, consider joining today at https://launch.amsat.org/ +The 2020 edition of AMSAT’s Getting Started with Amateur Satellites is now available on the AMSAT store. A perennial favorite, Getting Started is updated every year with the latest amateur satellite information, and is the premier primer of satellite operation. The book is presented in DRM-free PDF format, in full color, and covers all aspects of making your first contacts on a ham radio satellite. The digital download is available for $15 at https://tinyurl.com/2020GettingStarted + The AMSAT Folding at home team continues to climb the rankings. Now in the top 900 of all teams at the time of this writing, the team has grown to 48 members with 67 active CPUs within the past 50 days and includes 12 members in the top 100,000 of all users. Alex Free, N7AGF, is our top contributor with over 159,000,000 points credited to AMSAT's team. For more information about the Folding at home project and how you can contribute to scientific research, including the fight against COVID-19, see https://foldingathome.org/. AMSAT's team number is 69710: https://stats.foldingathome.org/team/69710 --------------------------------------------------------------------- /EX In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi- tional benefits. President's Club donations may be made at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-PresClub. Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu- dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status. Join AMSAT today at https://launch.amsat.org/ 73 and remember to help Keep Amateur Radio in Space, This week's ANS Editor, Paul Stoetzer, N8HM n8hm at amsat dot org

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Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 15, Issue 233
by Jeff Moore 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

You can choose to ignore the problem as long as you don't care about the organization! IF you DO CARE - then you'd better do something about it - NOT IGNORE IT!!! Or you won't have an organization left to ignore!! 7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY CN94 On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:21 PM Gailen Marshall via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> wrote: > Yes! Can we stick to the birds and let those interested in structural > squabbling have their own venue? Gailen N5GDM > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:33, amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org wrote: > >

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Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Leadership Explanation ...
by Clint Bradford 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

For the good of AMSAT, to ensure our enjoyment of future amateur satellites, and for the general good of amateur radio: Thompson and Stoddard need to resign. Now. Clint Bradford

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WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
by Stephen DeVience 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

"Additionally, the General Membership, GM, may normally attend BOD meets but have no voting rights." As a member, I was looking forward to receiving a Zoom link for the next BOD meeting, but after a quick search online, this seems to only be true for certain situations where government money is involved. We may need to hire a lawyer to figure it out for sure... I will just say that even as a non-profit, AMSAT is still like any other corporation in that it provides a product (satellites, publications, etc.) in return for compensation (donations, membership fees). Most members don't care how the sausage is made, but they will care if there are no new satellites because precious time and money are spent on internal conflict. They will vote with their pocketbooks when they find something else interesting to do. So the board needs to put aside its personal differences, find some compromises to the legitimate grievances on both sides, and focus on providing a good product that encourages people to continue donating. Otherwise AMSAT will go the way of Sears and we will all be stuck using cheap Chinese tools (satellites) instead. -Stephen, N8URE

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Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request (Kevin)
by Brad Smith 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

<And how would you describe the ethics of the two newest boardmembers each creating online blogs where they cast doubt on AMSAT andthe people running it? A little over a month on the BOD and in Octalready on that blog posting grievances.> Rememnber, the new members were duly elected and then discriminated against because the board didn't like the fact that they won. So, they were given a "junior' status, which is not what we elected them to be. That is dirty pool. Very unethical. Brad KC9UQR

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Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
by Clint Bradford 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

Members DO read. The AMSAT-NA board’s three-page letter explained the intimate details of a couple responsible business decisions. They felt the organization was being threatened, and they responded in a mature, responsible manner. Members should demand no less. And - again - membership dues were not used for these business expenses. Clint Bradford K6LCS 909-999-SATS > On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:13 PM, amsat-bb-request(a)amsat.org wrote: > > f you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations.? They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election. > > Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.

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Directors Stoddard and Thompson
by Bob Hammond 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

I am able to find Director Thompson's bio but I'm unable to find anything about Director Stoddard. Is there a bio with work history, background, education, volunteer work, and so on? I'm curious. Bob W7OTJ

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Re: [amsat-bb] 2.4GHz Satellite Beacons over US
by MICHAEL WILLIAMS 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

Ken, The only beacon on 2.4 GHz I've successfully monitored is DTUSat-2 on 2.401835 GHz. However, its CW beacon is intermittent and only functions in sunlight as its batteries have failed. It's best received with a SDR as Doppler up there is 100 KHz over the pass. Google info on this sat. It's listed on the AMSAT website. Check my qrz.com page for a picture of DtuSat-2 The frequencies you list are down links and not beacon frequencies. Most all universities who operate these satellites only turn on the 2.4 GHz down link when the satellite is directly over the control station and send down their data. The University of Georgia Small Satellite Research Lab is going to launch a satellite on October 1st. It will down link on 2.4GHz. The satellite's name is SPOC. It's foot print will cover the USA. Another sat to launch is AmiCalSat which will down link on 2.4. but you will have to request to have a down link signal sent at your location. I'm going to research and listen to your list. I'm pretty sure UO-11 is no longer functioning on 2.4. Good luck with your 2.4 GHz endeavors. 73, Mike (K9QHO)

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FoxDelta ST2-0417 USB setup help
by Jim Walls 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

I recently bought a FoxDelta ST2-0417 USB rotor interface for my Yaesu G-5500 rotor. I have the ST-2 communicating with the rotor just fine. I can see the azimuth and elevation readout and using the ST2 pushbuttons, I can control both just fine. However, I can't get it to communicate properly with my computer. I am running a Dell desktop under Windows 10 and have installed the CH360G driver. The ST2 shows as COM8 according the the device manager. If I unplug the USB cable, the Device Manager confirms that COM8 goes away and when I plug the cable back in, COM8 returns. I initially was trying to use Nova for Windows (which I have used for 20+ years). I tried every software interface setting (using COM8) and the best I could get a couple weeks ago was Azimuth display and control (no elevation display, but it appeared that it tried to control elevation), but can't manage to replicate that today. Everything shows either 0.0 / 0.0 or ---- / ---- for the rotor pointing in Nova. Somewhat out of desperation, I downloaded SatPC32 and can't even get that far. As far as I can tell, every rotor type is expecting a parallel port interface. Keep in mind that I have never seen SatPC32 until an hour ago, so that may be my issue. My preference would be to use Nova for Windows, but if that can't be made to work, I CAN switch over to SatPC32. In either case, the software will be used exclusively for rotor control and not doppler correction (not using a radio that supports that). Do you have any suggestions? -- 73 ------------------------------------- Jim Walls - K6CCC jim(a)k6ccc.org Ofc: 818-548-4804 http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/ AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395

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PO-101 access?
by Tim Crawford 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

Diwata2PH@Diwata2PH·13h[SPECIAL SCHEDULE]PO-101 is active today and tomorrow from 4:55 UTC - 14:00 UTC and 16:00 UTC - 3:30 UTC to provide emergency access during this Covid-19 pandemic.I hope everyone is safe!73 de DW4TA I am unable to fully under stand what they mean by provide emergency access? Does this mean that the communications on this satellite are restricted? Thanks TimKE7TAC

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Foolishness
by Nick Pugh 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

This is a hobby Spending money on lawyer instead of satellite is dumb My hope is you get on a Zoom call and put the fire out and take us to HEO Nickk k5qxj Cell 337 258 2527 Helping UL become a world Class Engineering and Educational School Disagree I Learn

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Re: [amsat-bb] Proposal for new list
by Daniel Schultz 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

> I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for > discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would improve > the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play radio and work > satellites. > >There are various areas of interest for me, and mud-slinging is not one >of them. Building stuff is what I'm here for, and I'm heavily engaged in >that. These satellites don't just build themselves. If you choose not to get involved with YOUR organization, then don't post on amsat-bb someday wondering why there are no more satellites available for you to "play radio" with. For some, this may be "just a hobby", for those who volunteer to serve AMSAT with their personal time and effort, it is much more than "just a hobby". I believe that every volunteer comes to AMSAT to serve the cause of keeping amateur radio in space, but may see different ways to move the organization forward toward that goal. There is a Board election coming up very soon. Like all elections, it behooves you as a good citizen of AMSAT to be informed of the issues and make a wise choice in voting for your elected representatives. As my high school civics teacher (and probably yours) said, "if you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain". 73, Dan Schultz N8FGV

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Any 2.4 GHz satellite beacons over US?
by k.swaggart＠charter.net 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

Looking at JE9PEL's SatsList at http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm I see there are seven satellites listed as active with at least one of their beacons near 2.4 GHz: 14781 UO-11 2401.5 (steady carrier) 43804 Suomi-100 2410.0 43786 ITASAT-1 2400.15 43743 Reaktor Hello World 2410.0 43669 Tiayni-4 2409.0 43155 Tiayni-2 2403.0 42775 AALTO-1 2402.0 Are any of these routinely active over the western US? And, any sat beacons in the 10 GHz band? 73, Ken, W7KKE

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Proposal for new list
by Zach Metzinger 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

Hello all, I propose that a new list be created, separate from amsat-bb, for discussion of administrative issues regarding AMSAT. This would improve the SNR of amsat-bb for those of us who just want to play radio and work satellites. Thanks, --- Zach N0ZGO

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Re: [amsat-bb] huskysat-1
by Nick 12 Jul '20

12 Jul '20

Jerry, Very nice to hear a update on HO-107. We appreciate you and the engineering teams hard work on the LTM module projects. Do we know why HO-107 got to 80c other then the full illumination period? Would there be a way to mitigate that in the future or is it just something that has to be dealt with? I know AO-85 suffered a similar fate of heat stroke but lasted many years. Looking foward to seeing AMSAT partner with many others to get the LTM module into orbit. Regardless of it only working 3 months, it is still a rousing sucess that will lead to many more launches with other partners. Thanks, Nick KE8AKW

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Modeling the AA2TX Parasitic Lindenblad
by Zach Metzinger 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

Hello folks, I've been intrigued by Tony's Parasitic Lindenblad ever since I first read about it. I have a center section in CAD, suitable for 3D printing in PET-G, which eliminates the messy gluing, etc. and gives me a chance to use my printer. :-) However, I'd like to eliminate the requirement for the 0.750" OD aluminum mast and replace it with 0.650" OD (name: 1/2") copper water pipe, which can be readily found in any hardware store. Given the appropriate paint coating, copper pipe has held up well over many years at my QTH when exposed to the elements. I am using Xnec2c on FreeBSD, but any NEC program should be able to use the deck, to model the antenna. However, my dimensions don't seem to match what Tony came up with. Are there any NEC gurus in the audience? Here's my sophomore stab at the antenna deck: CM --- NEC2 Input File created or edited by xnec2c 3.4 --- CM AA2TX Parasitic Lindenblad -- All distances in meters CM Goal is to use 1/2" copper water pipe for dipole element (0.650" OD) instead of 3/4" OD aluminum pole CE --- End Comments --- GW 1 15 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 -1.39000E-01 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 1.39000E-01 1.58750E-02 GW 2 15 2.58000E-01 8.50000E-02 1.49000E-01 -2.58000E-01 8.50000E-02 -1.49000E-01 1.50000E-03 GW 3 15 -2.58000E-01 -8.50000E-02 1.49000E-01 2.58000E-01 -8.50000E-02 -1.49000E-01 1.50000E-03 GW 4 15 8.50000E-02 2.58000E-01 -1.49000E-01 8.50000E-02 -2.58000E-01 1.49000E-01 1.50000E-03 GW 5 15 -8.50000E-02 2.58000E-01 1.49000E-01 -8.50000E-02 -2.58000E-01 -1.49000E-01 1.50000E-03 GE 0 0 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 EX 0 1 8 0 1.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 FR 0 20 0 0 4.30000E+02 1.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 NH 0 0 0 0 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 NE 0 10 1 10 -1.35000E+00 0.00000E+00 -1.35000E+00 3.00000E-01 0.00000E+00 3.00000E-01 RP 0 19 37 1000 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 1.00000E+01 1.00000E+01 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 EN 0 0 0 0 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 0.00000E+00 Questions that arise from an afternoon of fiddling with this: 1) Should I model the driven element as two wires with the 1/4" gap between them? If so, how would I do this? 2) Will the 0.100" difference in OD make enough of a difference to even go through this exercise? Any and all comments, especially from NEC gurus, appreciated! --- Zach N0ZGO

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Elect New, Honorable, Board Members
by Brad Smith 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

<Amen. Let's get this off the list and back to playing with radio.> We need a board that we can trust and this board is not trustworthy to led,nor spend the finances in aan ethical manor. I have received emails from members, on both sides of the issue. One asked me how I know the moneys spent were donations. So, I now ask the Board, where did the funds ($18 k) come from that you spent to bury Patrick and Michelle? 73 Brad KC9UQR

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Re: [amsat-bb] The Explanition Has Come
by Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

At 05:45 PM 7/10/2020 -0700, Michelle Thompson wrote: >I've confronted the board about unauthorized spending. I brought receipts. > >Patrick deserves the majority of the credit for stopping this obscenely >wasteful practice of hiring lawyers on the sly. I side with the President and the decision of the BoD. Spending the funds to address the issue for which these funds were expended, to develop policies and procedures to help handle and prevent such problems like this from ever happening again in the future is money well spent. You and Patrick are the ones that need to reimburse the membership for the expenses. KB7ADL

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The Explanition Has Come
by Brad Smith 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

The email, "AMSAT Leadership Explains 2018-2020 Legal Expenses," which I assume all members received, made me think of the words of an oldie song that has the words, "I wish that i could be the president, so I could show you how your money's spent." In this case, it appears that the money was spent to, at the advice of hired layers, keep two duly elected directors from assuming their rightful role. So, the legal answer must have been to segregate them, into a second class status. Is this really legal, and in keeping with the bylaws of AMSAT? Why would the board do this? What are they hiding and from whom? I may be just a dumb, retired, Midwestern engineer, but even I can see thru this one. Talk about smoke and mirrors. I am going to assume that it was legal for the board to select a new president, and that the membership has nothing to do with that. This whole situation has the appearance of a game where people have been trying to find a way to legally block other people from assuming their duties. Sounds like Washington politics to me. Some members have resigned their membership over this. I am here to say that I do not condone this form of reaction. In my humble opinion, (and some of you know how humble I am) if you are on the birds, you should financially support the organization. Exception would be if one couldn't afford it, of course. Respectfully,Brad KC9UQR

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Life Membership
by Bob Hammond 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

How does one change one's yearly membership to Life Membership? I cannot find any method to do so on the launch.amsat.org web pages. And I cannot rejoin as such either. Bob W7OTJ

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constructive suggestion
by andy thomas 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

Suggest you take the -bb offline for a week while everyone cools down. 73 de andy g0sfj

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Can't Control IC-910 Using Gpredict/Hamlib On Raspberry Pi
by Roy Dean 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

Bernhard, Have you tried the GPredict Forum? Thats where I learned about the 910/9700 patch (but I don't own either so don't have experience). I think the patch author or Alex Csete would be happy to describe the process. https://community.libre.space/c/gpredict/17 --Roy K3RLD

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Re: [amsat-bb] The Explanition Has Come
by Daniel Schultz 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

We have recently discussed in this forum the reasons why there are no more ham radio satellites in HEO. We have reviewed the various external factors such as a saturated and highly commercial secondary launch market, new government regulations that did not exist 25 years ago, commercial and government interests that might simply prefer that amateur radio and amateur satellites "go away" in order to make life easier for them, and other factors all external to AMSAT. What we did not consider was the possibility of internal squabbles threatening the organization. I have seen more than one organization fall apart because of such in-fighting. Please be aware that this internal threat can be deadlier than any of the external factors that are preventing us from launching new satellites. I don't know which side is right. Perhaps both sides, perhaps neither side. I just know that it would be a god-awful shame if AMSAT's remarkable 50 year adventure should come to an end because of this. It is time to sit down like ladies and gentlemen and calmly discuss these various differences without bringing the legal profession into the equation. Perhaps the board candidates could make calm and rational statements to the membership on how they plan to accomplish this, so that the members can make rational choices in the upcoming election. If this cannot be done then we should probably all just sell our radio gear and find some other hobby that we can pursue on our own without the need to form or govern any organization. 73, Dan Schultz N8FGV

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Re: [amsat-bb] WA9JBQ Request
by Brad Smith 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

I will second Rick's request. The past actions against the new board members showed the poorest leadership that I have ever seen. The ethics of this action eroded away any confidence that I had in this board. 73 Brad KC9UQR

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Mac Doppler
by Joe 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

A buddy of mine just installed MacDoppler It seems to work great but he sent me a video that doesn't make sense to me. It is controlling his radio changing freqs as needed to account for Doppler. BUT... I have never seen this before. the 144 band was changing one way in freq and the 440 band the other way. Huh? That doesn't seem right in my head. anyone care to maybe explain whats happening? Joe WB9SBD

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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2020-07-10 16:30 UTC
by aj9n＠aol.com 10 Jul '20

10 Jul '20

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2020-07-10 16:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Don Bosco Haacht Technisch en Beroepsonderwijs, Haacht, Belgium, Multi-point telebridge via AB1OC The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Chris Cassidy KF5KDR Contact was successful: Fri 2020-07-10 10:49:51 UTC 27 deg (***) International Aerospace School, Ufa, Russia, direct via TBD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be RSØISS The scheduled astronaut is Ivan Vagner Contact is go for Fri 2020-07-17 19:10 UTC ######################################################################################################################################## A multi-point telebridge contact means that each student will be on the telebridge from their own home. ************************************************* ARISS is very aware of the impact that COVID-19 is having on schools and the public in general. As such, we may have last minute cancellations or postponements of school contacts. As always, I will try to provide everyone with near-real-time updates. The following schools have now been postponed or cancelled due to COVID-19: Postponed: No new schools Cancelled: Tarwater Elementary School, Chandler, AZ, direct via TBD (***) The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Watch for future COVID-19 related announcements here also. Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at https://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ARISS Contact Applications (United States) Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2020-07-10 16:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt The successful school list has been updated as of 2020-07-10 16:30 UTC. (***) https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at https://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ARISS Contact Applications (United States) The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. Message to US Educators ARISS Contact Applications (United States) The Proposal Window of February 1, 2020 to March 31, 2020 has now closed. For future proposal information and more details such as expectations, proposal guidelines and proposal form, and dates and times of Information Webinars, go to www.ariss.org. Please direct any questions to ariss.us.education(a)gmail.com. About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the ISS National Lab and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEAM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or public forms. Before and during these radio contacts, students, educators, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org. ******************************************************************************** ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East) Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April. Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts. Applications should be addressed by email to: school.selection.manager(a)ariss-eu.org ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia) Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application. Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator. For the application, go to: https://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html. ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd(a)gmail.com ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss(a)iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) https://www.jarl.org/ ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/ ****************************************************************************** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n(a)amsat.org or aj9n(a)aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8Ø MHz. ******************************************************************************* All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted. ******************************************************************************* Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting. Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts. If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke(a)sbcglobal.net The HamTV webpage: https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/ **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Francesco IKØWGF with 140 Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 138 Sergey RV3DR with 133 Gaston ON4WF with 123 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed, and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1391. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1324. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 48. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: https://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DPØISS, IRØISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RSØISS **************************************************************************** Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correcti… Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 62 now on orbit Chris Cassidy KF5KDR Anatoli Ivanishin Ivan Vagner SpaceX-Demo2 now on orbit Bob Behnken KE5GGX Doug Hurley **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors

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Can't Control IC-910 Using Gpredict/Hamlib On Raspberry Pi
by B J 10 Jul '20

10 Jul '20

I recently installed Gpredict and Hamlib on my Raspberry Pi which runs Raspbian. I'm unable to control my IC-910 because of a known bug. I'd like to rebuild them from source code and I've located a patch. The thing is that the patch is a directory, not a single file. I don't normally work with Linux and I have no idea how to apply that patch directory to the original code. Does anyone know how to go about it? I could try the brute-force method by physically adding or exchanging the patch files, but I don't think that's a good idea. I've found some information on doing something like that using the commands "diff" and "patch" but, when I tried those methods, I must have done something wrong as I get some rather cryptic responses. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

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Re: [amsat-bb] 5500 Control Unit Switch
by MICHAEL WILLIAMS 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

Greg, Thanks for the valuable email. your info has been added to my 5500 manual. My question is, if they're still manufacturing the 5500, where's the switches coming from? Do they have stock for manufacturing but unavailable for spare parts? Thanks Mike (K9QHO)

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Lunar-OSCAR 94 / Longjiang 2 publication
by Nico Janssen 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

This scientific publication describes the radio experiments on Lunar-OSCAR 94 / Longjiang 2: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17272-8 73, Nico, PA0DLO

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LunART - Luna Amateur Radio Transponder
by Nico Janssen 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

AMSAT-DL proposes the LunART - Luna Amateur Radio Transponder on the ESA Large European Lander, which is to be launched to the Moon: https://ideas.esa.int/servlet/hype/IMT?userAction=Browse&templateName=&docu… 73, Nico PA0DLO

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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2020-07-09 18:30 UTC
by aj9n＠aol.com 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2020-07-09 18:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Don Bosco Haacht Technisch en Beroepsonderwijs, Haacht, Belgium, Multi-point telebridge via AB1OC The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Chris Cassidy KF5KDR Contact is go for: Fri 2020-07-10 10:49:51 UTC 27 deg International Aerospace School, Ufa, Russia, direct via TBD (***) The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be RSØISS (***) The scheduled astronaut is Ivan Vagner (***) Contact is go for Fri 2020-07-17 19:10 UTC (***) ######################################################################################################################################## A multi-point telebridge contact means that each student will be on the telebridge from their own home. ************************************************* ARISS is very aware of the impact that COVID-19 is having on schools and the public in general. As such, we may have last minute cancellations or postponements of school contacts. As always, I will try to provide everyone with near-real-time updates. The following schools have now been postponed or cancelled due to COVID-19: Postponed: No additional schools Cancelled: No additional schools The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Watch for future COVID-19 related announcements here also. Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at https://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ARISS Contact Applications (United States) Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2020-07-09 18:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt The successful school list has been updated as of 2020-06-16 16:00 UTC. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at https://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ARISS Contact Applications (United States) The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. Message to US Educators ARISS Contact Applications (United States) The Proposal Window of February 1, 2020 to March 31, 2020 has now closed. For future proposal information and more details such as expectations, proposal guidelines and proposal form, and dates and times of Information Webinars, go to www.ariss.org. Please direct any questions to ariss.us.education(a)gmail.com. About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the ISS National Lab and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEAM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or public forms. Before and during these radio contacts, students, educators, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org. ******************************************************************************** ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East) Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April. Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts. Applications should be addressed by email to: school.selection.manager(a)ariss-eu.org ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia) Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application. Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator. For the application, go to: https://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html. ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd(a)gmail.com ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss(a)iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) https://www.jarl.org/ ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/ ****************************************************************************** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n(a)amsat.org or aj9n(a)aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8Ø MHz. ******************************************************************************* All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted. ******************************************************************************* Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting. Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts. If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke(a)sbcglobal.net The HamTV webpage: https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/ **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Francesco IKØWGF with 140 Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 138 Sergey RV3DR with 133 Gaston ON4WF with 123 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed, and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1390. Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1323. Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 48. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: https://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DPØISS, IRØISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RSØISS **************************************************************************** Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correcti… Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 62 now on orbit Chris Cassidy KF5KDR Anatoli Ivanishin Ivan Vagner SpaceX-Demo2 now on orbit Bob Behnken KE5GGX Doug Hurley **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors

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AO-92 L Band Power
by Alan Blind 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

Using 10 Watts, I have not been able to get into AO-92 L Band. >From the AO-92 web site: ================ ......Since the 435 MHz uplink antenna is used to receive the 1267 MHz signals and may present a mismatch at that frequency, pre-launch estimates suggest that a power level of 100 watts ERP will be required for horizon-to-horizon access in Mode L/v. AMSAT Engineering will issue further guidance after in-orbit testing. Look for future articles on the AMSAT website and in The AMSAT Journal for equipment ideas and tutorials for accessing the L-band uplink. ==================== Perhaps my 10 Watts are too low. Have there been updates from AMSAT on recommended L band power? What power do others run? Alan WA9WUD

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AO92 pass, 0510z 7/9
by Russ Kinner 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

I worked a station operating in Teton N.P. (DN43) on the pass Sat night and thought I had the call but even after listening to the recording I'm not sure. The call was in the fade when sent phonetically. Several other stations also worked him so if you heard KC5FLQ or KC5SLQ or his right call, can you advise? It's a new grid for me. Rusty, WA8ZID

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Satellite Danger Zone
by Paul F. Merrill 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

https://youtu.be/w-nfF7bK34Y

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AA5UK 7-09-20 EN67 - EN57-EN56
by Adrian Engele 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

7-09-2020: EN67 in the morning: RS44 09:48Z 145.925, AO7 10:22Z 145.938, CAS4B 10:42Z 145.920, XW2F 10:48Z 145.985, CAS4A 10:56Z 145.865, AO73 11:02Z 145.955, XW2B 11:14Z 145.735 I am then heading to EN57 for a short stop over. I will focus on EN56 on Thursday afternoon/evening and Friday morning. Passes are TBD.Friday afternoon/evening I plan to make my way to EN55. Cellphone coverage is horrible in the Upper Michigan and I lose APRS connection often. Reminder this is a vacation trip and I am operating holiday style 73, Adrian AA5UK APRS: AA5UK-9 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Candidacy for the board of AMSAT
by Robert McGwier 08 Jul '20

08 Jul '20

I am a candidate for election to the AMSAT board of directors for 2020. My long time friend and mentor, K3IO, Tom Clark <https://www.facebook.com/Tom.K3IO?__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARBwhOFsnXwGjXcNw6Bg…>, the longest-serving board member is giving up his seat but not before he endorsed my candidacy. I will be grateful for people's votes and support. I will do my best to help the organization. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZB8ROdAzbQKayJF60QSKvkKyAmYltPcb/view?usp=… 73s Bob N4HY -- Bob McGwier Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc Adjunct Professor Virginia Tech Former Chief Scientist: The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and Technology Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY

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Re: [amsat-bb] GridMaster Award
by Kevin M 08 Jul '20

08 Jul '20

Congratulations to Kevin, N4UFO, for earning AMSAT GridMaster Award #12. -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards AMSAT Board Member 2016-2020 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Bruce! Took me just over 5 years to complete that... got back on sats in spring of 2013 and worked the last of the 488 in the summer of 2018. (Thanks N7AGF!) Hopefully I will be able to get back on the sats sometime in the future and pass it along by giving out some grids again. I appreciate you doing all the work to process that, I look forward to seeing something in the mail soon. =^) - 73, Kevin N4UFO

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EM57/67 Rove This Weekend
by Michael Whitman 08 Jul '20

08 Jul '20

Good morning, grid chasers, This weekend, July 11-12, 2020, I’ll be operating from the EM57/67 gridline. Additionally, I will be on one AO-7 pass from EM58 on Saturday afternoon. I will be camping in EM68, so if you need that grid please email me and I’m happy to sked for Friday or Saturday evening. All passes and a frequency plan are posted on my QRZ page. Watch for updates on my Twitter feed @mwimages. LoTW, because, of course. Happy chasing! 73, Michael, N4DCW -- Michael Whitman michael(a)n4dcw.com Home Grid: EM78

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Re: [amsat-bb] G5500 control unit switch
by Gregory Beat 08 Jul '20

08 Jul '20

Bob - This is an OLD Topic, that Yaesu Repair Parts in USA, NEVER adequately addressed. Yaesu purchased the Kenpro rotator product line over 25 years ago. The original supplier (OEM) for Front Lever Switch to Kenpro, discontinued the part. — There are other rocker switches (of proper size) that will fit the Kenpro/Yaesu front panel mounting holes. HOWEVER, the original switch mfg. used an OFFSET Lever (Pivot) that was NOY Symmetrical about the pivot axis. Kenpro designed ALL of their front panel molds (rotator controls) to work with that Offset Lever style. Photos of one of the LAST Switches (discontinued) that Yaesu USA had left 6 years ago. Photos at entry #8 (QRZ Q&A Tech Forums). https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/g-500a-replacement-switch.664784/ The Yaesu Solution SHOULD BE to offer that common NKK switch, and then have a Custom Lever molded for compatibility with the front panels. In 2014, I identified and purchased a NKK rocker switch (NKK Series M2) from Mouser, NKK # M2022TYW01 (Cost $4.80 back in 2014). https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/633-M2022TYW01 This rocker switch fit properly on Kenpro/Yaesu front panels (rotator control). https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/295/MrockersFlatFrame-1663268.pdf HOWEVER, the standard NKK Levers (Paddles) do NOT work — Pivot NOT OFFSET. NKK # AT4157C (Red color) https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/633-AT4157C Datasheet https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/295/accessorieshardware-10910.pdf SO, All you need is the Proper “Off Set” Lever. This could be 3D-Printed OR Injected Molded (Plastic) from a CAD design. GOOD LUCK ! greg w9gb == Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 20:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: 73 Bob W7LRD <w7lrd(a)comcast.net> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb(a)amsat.org> Subject: [amsat-bb] G5500 control unit switch Hello I am going through some %$#$@ drama with Yaesu in trying to get a simple switch with paddle for my G5500 control unit. They sent me a couple of switches the paddles do not come with the switch. The switch and paddle have been removed but the paddles I have on backorder (still on boat) if the are the same as I have are incompatible with the switches they sent. The plot thickens. I believe out there somewhere there is G5500 control unit that is destroyed for whatever reason and I could cannibalize the switch. This drama with Yaesu has turned into a pita. This is a potential high failure item and should be easily available. Help needed. 73 Bob W7LRD

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Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-NA Malfeasance?
by Clint Bradford 08 Jul '20

08 Jul '20

> >> … Hey now! I want your vote, too :) > >> … Mark L. Hammond [N8MH] Man, and *I* embarrassed … I was blinded so much by who was so inappropriate that I blew right by your name. OF COURSE Mark N8MH deserves just about any recognition or post - and any organization would benefit by his presence. Clint K6LCS PS Not that many care about what this old man thinks … (g)

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AMSAT-NA Malfeasance?
by Clint Bradford 08 Jul '20

08 Jul '20

People throwing out large dollar amounts ... claiming mystery and underhandedness ... I see all this as an $803.50 issue. Take those fees paid by duly-appointed AMSAT-NA officials, less the forgivable $17K CARES grant, and the true outlay is only $803.50. Unrelated categories? Sure. But sure looks like AMSAT-NA is takin' care of business. The only current candidate who has shown total respect for amateur radio and is dedicated to making it more enjoyable for all is Bruce Paige, KK5DO.

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G5500 control unit switch
by 73 Bob W7LRD 08 Jul '20

08 Jul '20

Hello I am going through some %$#$@ drama with Yaesu in trying to get a simple switch with paddle for my G5500 control unit. They sent me a couple of switches the paddles do not come with the switch. The switch and paddle have been removed but the paddles I have on backorder (still on boat) if the are the same as I have are incompatible with the switches they sent. The plot thickens. I believe out there somewhere there is G5500 control unit that is destroyed for whatever reason and I could cannibalize the switch. This drama with Yaesu has turned into a pita. This is a potential high failure item and should be easily available. Help needed. 73 Bob W7LRD

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SO-50 carrier frequency shift
by Ronald Parsons 07 Jul '20

07 Jul '20

The link below has an image of my waterfall during part of the SO-50 pass. The two yellow arrows show two instances of several more that occurred during the pass. The time scale in minutes is on the right of the waterfall. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Rl0LMMIHc_By96anqySUXmLAzURtQnH-/view?usp=s haring The down-shift was about 4 kHz although it was somewhat hard to measure accurately due to the Doppler shift causing the signal trace to bend down and to the right on the picture. Ron W5RKN

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FM Satellite Chirp File
by Ev Tupis 07 Jul '20

07 Jul '20

Has anyone posted a Chirp file that includes proper parameters for the FM voice satellites (assuming that a separate channel pair is programmed to compensate for Doppler during passes)? I'd appreciate being pointed to a link to it, if so. Ev, W2EV

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CHIRP Datafile
by Clint Bradford 07 Jul '20

07 Jul '20

There is one on the SHACK AIDS page at … http://www.work-sat.com A little old … might still have ’85 on it … Clint K6LCS

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SO-50 carrier frequency shift
by Roy Dean 07 Jul '20

07 Jul '20

> > On the SO-50 1900Z pass I noticed the carrier was shifting down about 4 kHz > randomly. > Has this been noticed lately? > Ron W5RKN https://network.satnogs.org/observations/2506933/ Not much to go on, but it sure does look like the carrier is ~4kHz low right at the start of the observation. I'll look at some other observations..... --Roy K3RLD

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SO-50 carrier frequency shift
by Ronald Parsons 07 Jul '20

07 Jul '20

On the SO-50 1900Z pass I noticed the carrier was shifting down about 4 kHz randomly. Has this been noticed lately? Ron W5RKN

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G5500 control switch
by 73 Bob W7LRD 07 Jul '20

07 Jul '20

My G5500 control unit down switch failed. I bought a switch from Yaesu. They said the paddle for the switch is not available. I removed the switch (still wired), and the paddle has a rivet holding it to the switch. Removing the paddle is problem. So- does anyone have the complete switch with paddle in their junque box?? If not I can always jury rig a spdt momentary switch. I thought I'd try a bit of begging first! Any help out there? 73 Bob W7LRD

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GridMaster Award
by Bruce 07 Jul '20

07 Jul '20

Congratulations to Kevin, N4UFO, for earning AMSAT GridMaster Award #12. -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards AMSAT Board Member 2016-2020 ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat

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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2020-07-06 16:00 UTC
by aj9n＠aol.com 06 Jul '20

06 Jul '20

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2020-07-06 16:00 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Don Bosco Haacht Technisch en Beroepsonderwijs, Haacht, Belgium, Multi-point telebridge via AB1OC The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Chris Cassidy KF5KDR Contact is go for: Fri 2020-07-10 10:49:51 UTC 27 deg ######################################################################################################################################## A multi-point telebridge contact means that each student will be on the telebridge from their own home. ************************************************* ARISS is very aware of the impact that COVID-19 is having on schools and the public in general. As such, we may have last minute cancellations or postponements of school contacts. As always, I will try to provide everyone with near-real-time updates. The following schools have now been postponed or cancelled due to COVID-19: Postponed: No additional schools Cancelled: No additional schools The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Watch for future COVID-19 related announcements here also. Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at https://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ARISS Contact Applications (United States) Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2020-07-06 16:00 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt The successful school list has been updated as of 2020-06-16 16:00 UTC. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at https://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ARISS Contact Applications (United States) The ARISS webpage is at https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. Message to US Educators ARISS Contact Applications (United States) The Proposal Window of February 1, 2020 to March 31, 2020 has now closed. For future proposal information and more details such as expectations, proposal guidelines and proposal form, and dates and times of Information Webinars, go to www.ariss.org. Please direct any questions to ariss.us.education(a)gmail.com. About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the ISS National Lab and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEAM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or public forms. Before and during these radio contacts, students, educators, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org. ******************************************************************************** ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East) Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April. Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts. Applications should be addressed by email to: school.selection.manager(a)ariss-eu.org ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia) Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application. Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator. For the application, go to: https://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html. ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd(a)gmail.com ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss(a)iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) https://www.jarl.org/ ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/ ****************************************************************************** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n(a)amsat.org or aj9n(a)aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8Ø MHz. ******************************************************************************* All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted. ******************************************************************************* Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to https://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting. Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts. If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke(a)sbcglobal.net The HamTV webpage: https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/ **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Francesco IKØWGF with 140 Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 138 Sergey RV3DR with 133 Gaston ON4WF with 123 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed, and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1390. Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1323. Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 48. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: https://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DPØISS, IRØISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RSØISS **************************************************************************** Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correcti… Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 62 now on orbit Chris Cassidy KF5KDR Anatoli Ivanishin Ivan Vagner SpaceX-Demo2 now on orbit Bob Behnken KE5GGX Doug Hurley **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors

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W2JV
by Peter 05 Jul '20

05 Jul '20

Hi Just checking W2JV

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Re: [amsat-bb] Board of directors meetings
by Clint Bradford 05 Jul '20

05 Jul '20

Last time I read their bylaws, “monthly” meetings were not required. Clint Bradford K6LCS > > Can someone please explain why there are no monthly board meeting being > held.?? > > Rick > WA9JBQ > > -- > Rick Wyrwas >

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Fwd: [atgp] Mt. Washington Portable needed 18 July!
by Robert Bruninga 05 Jul '20

05 Jul '20

We still need a rover with a kenwood D710 or D72 (can digipeat 1200/9600) on 18 July Saturday to drive to top of Mt Washington to close the link along the 2000 mile Appalachian Golden Packet Event. It lasts from aboutj 11 Am for 4 hours. There are 15 mountains in the chain and MT washington is critical in the link from Maine to Ga.. See http://aprs.org/at-golden-packet.html Bob, WB4APR ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: tiim via groups.io <timdapice=yahoo.com(a)groups.io> Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:37 PM Subject: [atgp] Mt. Washington UNMANNED #atgp20 To: <main(a)atgp.groups.io> ATGP FYI: As of July 4th, Mt. Washington is unmanned. I tried contacting two local APRS hams to no avail. _._,_._,_ ------------------------------ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#3213) <https://atgp.groups.io/g/main/message/3213> | Reply To Group <[email protected]?subject=Re:%20%5Batgp%5D%20Mt.%20Washington%20UNMANNED%20%23atgp20> | Reply To Sender <[email protected]?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Batgp%5D%20Mt.%20Washington%20UNMANNED%20%23atgp20> | Mute This Topic <https://groups.io/mt/75302611/1749714> | New Topic <https://atgp.groups.io/g/main/post> Mute #atgp20 <https://groups.io/g/atgp/mutehashtag/atgp20> Your Subscription <https://atgp.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1749714> | Contact Group Owner <main+owner(a)atgp.groups.io> | Unsubscribe <https://atgp.groups.io/g/main/leave/4443415/997113080/xyzzy> [ bruninga(a)usna.edu] _._,_._,_

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Board of directors meetings
by Rick Wyrwas 05 Jul '20

05 Jul '20

Can someone please explain why there are no monthly board meeting being held.?? Rick WA9JBQ -- Rick Wyrwas

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